Turkey's President Erdogan threatens Europe with new wave of refugees

[rooster59]

Turkey's President Erdogan threatens Europe with new wave of refugees

Robert Hackwill

 

 

Turkey’s President Erdogan has wasted no time in reacting fiercely to what he sees as another snub to Turkey by the European Union, whose parliament voted on Thursday to suspend EU membership talks.

 

He has threatened to rip up the migrant deal that could see Turkey again allowing tens of thousands of refugees flood into the EU.

 

“When 50,000 immigrants reached the border town of Kapikule, you wailed. What would we do if Turkey opened the border gates, you wondered. Look here, if this goes any further, those border gates will be opened, you should know that. Neither I nor this nation cares about empty threats,” he thundered.

 

The European parliament’s vote is non-binding, but was intended to send Ankara a signal; stop the post-coup mass arrests of suspects, opposition politicians and journalists, a reaction parliament considered “disproportionate”.

 

Turkey has by far the largest refugee population of people fleeing conflict or repression in Syria and has many from other conflict zones, but although safe, because there is little work and no prospects, most want to leave.

 

-- © Copyright Euronews 2016-11-26

[thai3]

Should read illegal immigrants, not 'refugees'. 

[boomerangutang]

It's tough to decide who is currently the worst leader of a country;

 

Five top contenders:   Mugabe, Fat Boy Kim, Erdogan, Duterte, or Trump.  Perhaps it's not fair including Trump in that list, because he doesn't take office until early next year.  But we've already heard, for the past 17 months, what he plans to do, including using the Nuke option if he feels inclined.

[NongKhaiKid]

However Brussels still feels obliged to talk to this man because they're afraid of the consequences of upsetting him !

[BuaBS]

And Nato has menpower & weapons in Poland and the baltic states because they think Russia is the enemy. They don't have a clue.

The real threat is Turkey. The enemy forces already invaded Europe , they aren't Russians.  Erdogan wants a bigger turkey, sending in "refugees" is his second line of attack.

[JHolmesJr]

Lucky uk to be out of this mess. 

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, thai3 said:

Should read illegal immigrants, not 'refugees'. 

I think refugees is a good term.  Stop the war in Syria, stop the stream of refugees.  Can't blame Turkey for this problem.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

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In 2016, the United Nations (UN) identified 13.5 million Syrians requiring humanitarian assistance, of which more than 6 million are internally displaced within Syria, and over 4.8 million are refugees outside of Syria.^[30]Turkey is the largest host country with over 2.7 million Syrian refugees

 

[NumbNut]

He's a flea this bloke... attempting to capitalize on innocent peoples distress. Doesn't get much lower eh.

 

It's a zero sum game though isn't it, if he pulls this stunt there is no way Turkey will be invited into the EU during his term in office, no matter how long that may be.

[NumbNut]

Double post

Edited November 26, 2016 by NumbNut
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[Orac]

1 hour ago, boomerangutang said:

It's tough to decide who is currently the worst leader of a country;

 

Five top contenders:   Mugabe, Fat Boy Kim, Erdogan, Duterte, or Trump.  Perhaps it's not fair including Trump in that list, because he doesn't take office until early next year.  But we've already heard, for the past 17 months, what he plans to do, including using the Nuke option if he feels inclined.

 

Be thankful that you aren't able to add Boris to that list. After using the threat of Turkey joining the EU to get a leave vote he is now a big fan of Erdogan and pushing for them to join despite the UK planning on leaving.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/27/boris-johnson-turkey-recep-tayyip-erdogan-lewd-poem-mevlut-cavusoglu-kurds

 

 

[Familyaffairs]

Blackmailing nutcase. Europe needs to be patrolling their borders, and push back immigrants like Australa does and which has stopped arrivals . Failure to do so will risk total ruin of the social fabric by illegal immigrant criminals, and social benefit abusers. Look at the prevailing mood among Europeans, no more economic migrants.

[craigt3365]

13 minutes ago, Familyaffairs said:

Blackmailing nutcase. Europe needs to be patrolling their borders, and push back immigrants like Australa does and which has stopped arrivals . Failure to do so will risk total ruin of the social fabric by illegal immigrant criminals, and social benefit abusers. Look at the prevailing mood among Europeans, no more economic migrants.

Perhaps easier said than done?  Turkey borders Bulgaria and Greece.  Both countries that are used for transit, not for living permanently.  Too many ways for them to get into the heart of Europe.

 

Stop the reason these people are leaving Syria and you'll stop the refugees.

[SgtRock]

11 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Perhaps easier said than done

 

A single solution to a major problem will never work.

 

11 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Turkey borders Bulgaria and Greece.  Both countries that are used for transit, not for living permanently. 

 

Right from the start this should have been the focus of all the EU's efforts, not pandering to Turkey.

 

11 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Too many ways for them to get into the heart of Europe.

 

Correct. That is why the are now pouring in through Italy and Spain. How surprising that the MSM is so quiet on that one.

 

11 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Stop the reason these people are leaving Syria and you'll stop the refugees.

 

Which would be totally logical if they were all from Syria. 

 

It will never stop, regardless of what is done. The dynamics and name will change, but it will never stop.

Edited November 26, 2016 by SgtRock

[tonray]

11 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Perhaps easier said than done?  Turkey borders Bulgaria and Greece.  Both countries that are used for transit, not for living permanently.  Too many ways for them to get into the heart of Europe.

 

Stop the reason these people are leaving Syria and you'll stop the refugees.

The Europeans and the Americans want to keep selling weaponry, maintain a proxy war with Russia (at the Syrian's expense) and not have to deal with the consequences. I am an American and am horrified by our foreign policy. Stop selling the weapons and exporting death and maybe the flow will stop when Assad and Russia quell the rebellion.

[craigt3365]

4 minutes ago, SgtRock said:

Correct. That is why the are now pouring in through Italy and Spain. How surprising that the MSM is so quiet on that one.

 

Which would be totally logical if they were all from Syria. 

 

It will never stop, regardless of what is done. The dynamics and name will change, but it will never stop.

MSM is hardly quiet about what's going on.  Articles abound on this.  And yes, a majority are from Syria.  Worth reading, or at least looking at the chart (MSM article):

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911

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The conflict in Syria continues to be by far the biggest driver of migration.

 

Stop the war in Syria and the numbers will drop.  The rest of the countries are an absolute mess.  No easy answers there.

[craigt3365]

5 minutes ago, tonray said:

The Europeans and the Americans want to keep selling weaponry, maintain a proxy war with Russia (at the Syrian's expense) and not have to deal with the consequences. I am an American and am horrified by our foreign policy. Stop selling the weapons and exporting death and maybe the flow will stop when Assad and Russia quell the rebellion.

The US isn't the only one selling weapons, and it's not the reason for the war there.

 

As far as a proxy war, perhaps the blame should like with Assad first.  Also, look at who's in their big time.  Saudi Arabia and Iran.

 

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/01/06/this-map-explains-the-saudi-iran-proxy-war/

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/world/middleeast/iran-saudi-proxy-war.html

[SgtRock]

6 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

MSM is hardly quiet about what's going on.  Articles abound on this.  And yes, a majority are from Syria.  Worth reading, or at least looking at the chart (MSM article):

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911

 

Stop the war in Syria and the numbers will drop.  The rest of the countries are an absolute mess.  No easy answers there.

 

Craig

 

The article you link is from March 2016 and covers 2015. 

 

The influx to Italy and Spain is rarely mentioned in the MSM except when there is a large number of drownings.

 

The 2016 mini invasion is mostly from sub-saharan Africa with a smattering of genuine refugees / asylum seekers from the likes of Syria.

 

That is of course, until Erdogan makes good on his promise.

[goldenbrwn1]

Every time I see the news of late, the boats seem to be filled with the African illegal immigrant variety. The focus is on Syria , what's being done about all these Africans jumping on the Syrian conflict, merkal open door policy band wagon.....

Edited November 26, 2016 by goldenbrwn1

[maoro2013]

2 hours ago, NongKhaiKid said:

However Brussels still feels obliged to talk to this man because they're afraid of the consequences of upsetting him !

Which man?

[NongKhaiKid]

1 minute ago, maoro2013 said:

Which man?

You didn't read the headline or look at the photo ?

[OMGImInPattaya]

I so hope he does...it may be the final push that knocks over the pathetic Merkel and ushers in the Alternative For Germany to power.

[geriatrickid]

1 hour ago, goldenbrwn1 said:

Every time I see the news of late, the boats seem to be filled with the African illegal immigrant variety. The focus is on Syria , what's being done about all these Africans jumping on the Syrian conflict, merkal open door policy band wagon.....

 

Ask the French and Spanish who wave them along.

Ask the Austrians who looked the other way as people came through its borders.

Ask the Grekks, well don't ask them because  we already know that the Greeks can't aford to keep these people and resent Germany anyway.

[Kiwiken]

54 minutes ago, OMGImInPattaya said:

I so hope he does...it may be the final push that knocks over the pathetic Merkel and ushers in the Alternative For Germany to power.

Perhaps if the right won in Germany they would repatriate the 3 million plus Turks living in Germany. How would Erdogan cope then?

[Morch]

5 hours ago, NongKhaiKid said:

However Brussels still feels obliged to talk to this man because they're afraid of the consequences of upsetting him !

 

There's hardly any point in not talking to them before a realistic plan (not to speak of measures) of dealing with the situation is in hand.

That said, obviously should have seen it coming.

[Morch]

4 hours ago, BuaBS said:

And Nato has menpower & weapons in Poland and the baltic states because they think Russia is the enemy. They don't have a clue.

The real threat is Turkey. The enemy forces already invaded Europe , they aren't Russians.  Erdogan wants a bigger turkey, sending in "refugees" is his second line of attack.

 

The refugees (most of those in Turkey are indeed Syrian refugees) or even migrants (if one considers them losing refugee status if leaving their first safe-haven country), are not beholden in anyway to Erdogan or Turkey.

 

Erdogan's politics and policies do not make Russia Europe's friend nor less of a threat. It simply means that there's another threat to deal with.

[Morch]

3 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Perhaps easier said than done?  Turkey borders Bulgaria and Greece.  Both countries that are used for transit, not for living permanently.  Too many ways for them to get into the heart of Europe.

 

Stop the reason these people are leaving Syria and you'll stop the refugees.

 

Agree with the first part, no that much with the latter bit.

 

Refugees issues resulting from such conflicts are hardly easily or swiftly resolved, even when major hostilities are kept down. The refugee situation (not talking about migrants now) is likely to stay an issue for years to come. People aren't always that keen going back to a devastated country, who's future prospects are doubtful.

[Morch]

3 hours ago, tonray said:

The Europeans and the Americans want to keep selling weaponry, maintain a proxy war with Russia (at the Syrian's expense) and not have to deal with the consequences. I am an American and am horrified by our foreign policy. Stop selling the weapons and exporting death and maybe the flow will stop when Assad and Russia quell the rebellion.

 

Russia is the major arms provider for the Syrian government. They are, supposedly, turning in a profit form sales and showcasing their merchandise.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, OMGImInPattaya said:

I so hope he does...it may be the final push that knocks over the pathetic Merkel and ushers in the Alternative For Germany to power.

 

So it does really matter if Europe is flooded by even more refugees/migrants, as long as political victories are secured?

[tonray]

4 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Russia is the major arms provider for the Syrian government. They are, supposedly, turning in a profit form sales and showcasing their merchandise.

And the main supplier for the proxy war with Iran is........and the main supplier to the Syrian rebels is.......and the main supplier for the Yemeni establishment is......and the main supplier (unwittingly) for ISIS is........

 

America is exporting death and destruction for a profit. End of story. 

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, tonray said:

And the main supplier for the proxy war with Iran is........and the main supplier to the Syrian rebels is.......and the main supplier for the Yemeni establishment is......and the main supplier (unwittingly) for ISIS is........

 

America is exporting death and destruction for a profit. End of story. 

 

End of story, says poster.

The US arms industry is hardly the only one benefiting from the war in Syria. Nor in other places.