American arrested on charges of sex with a minor in Udon after being caught at home with 17 year old

[HooHaa]

13 hours ago, ezzra said:

Never mind that almost all the 17 years old girls in Thailand are actively engaged in sexual activities at a much younger age, while posting their sexual escaped on social media for all the world to see, and many are with kids and have been married and dumped by boyfriend, but don't let the facts distract you from the reality that in Thailand a 17 years old woman is considered a minor still and in need of the government protection.....

 

You are predictable. 

 

I was actually wondering when you get in to cast aspersions on the girl, or perhaps thai society as a whole,  and here you are right at the top.

 

You are a gem, a real poster boy for thaivisa.

[smotherb]

9 hours ago, Charlie1 said:

Missionaries, monks, drug offenders and way too many american child molesters here in LOS, mostly posing as "missionaries".. 

Only Americans, eh? What sort of biased trip are you riding?

[HooHaa]

Seems kiddie fiddlers are also great at arguing semantics.

[elliss]

4 hours ago, possum1931 said:

I thought prostitution was illegal in Thailand full stop. Well I'm glad to know the fat, tattooed, facial haired brigade paying for their sex are not breaking the law.

 Actually , it is all cost related , on the commodities index .

Young ladies under 25  Very  expensive  , sure , I know.

Ladies 25 - 30 , expensive ,    over  30 ,  ok , ish

Women   over  40 . OMG ,  you have lost street credibility . Go home .

[HerbalEd]

13 hours ago, whatawonderfulday said:

plus of course the hypocritical parents are usually well aware of what is going on and in most cases actively encouraging it so that they can lounge around all day doing sweet <deleted> all while their daughter is "working". Probably this girl was not prepared to give it for free to the local police so they decided to make an example.

Re., "... and in most cases ..." & "Probably ...": You have absolutely no way of knowing this.

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

15 hours ago, manarak said:

No, but the article makes clear "A" is a prostitute, and the lower age limit for prostitutes is 18.

 

And the lower legal  age limit outside of prostitution is 15.

That is even more confusing, isn't prostitution illegal, or did I miss something?

[brewsterbudgen]

That is even more confusing, isn't prostitution illegal, or did I miss something?

Prostitution in Thailand is regulated. Underage prostitution is illegal.

[elliss]

21 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Prostitution in Thailand is regulated.

Really ?  learn something new  in my  16 years  in LOS ,thx for the valued info .

    Bar  fined , hundreds of  sonnies /prostitutes , sure ,

  Only regulation was  pay bar fine,    enjoy   and goodbye ,

     No  bye  house , pickup , or gold .   Good  brain .

      

[SiSePuede419]

"A packet of Viagra, a used condom, several unused condoms, lubricating gel, sex videos, sex toys and a computer were taken into evidence."

 

Sex Pervert Set ?

[Golden Triangle]

My Mrs has just had her 40th birthday, trust me they are the best :) Mr G & T a very lucky man 

[Golden Triangle]

7 hours ago, Linden said:

17 Udon She could be a Greatgranny at 39 . I bet her brothers and uncles think she is too old now they moved on to her younger sister.

On the job training all done Inhouse

Unfortunately that is a lot closer to the truth than most people realise, sad but true it starts at home. 

[cmiuc]

It's really the pot calling the kettle black as the idiom goes... it's amazing how this is even news worry. Much more could be said of the problem of prostitution than some idiot shaggin a 17 year old. The video look like he was a drug smuggler, with all his bananas laid out nicely and all the finger pointing going on...not really a big deal in my opinion. I'm sure keystones coppers have had their share of the forbidden fruit on many occasions...

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Prostitution in Thailand is regulated. Underage prostitution is illegal.

Okay. So prostitution is legal in Thailand, for those over 18. Sorry,  I thought it was illegal under any circumstances and, as many other laws are here, it is ignored.

There are some other posts that say the age of consent is 15, but consent has to be approved by the parents, but not when money changes hands then.

Interesting, but this case seems a bit odd even if she is 17. Maybe the BiB have some evidence to prove this guy has been using girls below the age of 15, if so then he will get what he deserves I would think.

It's worth noting that different states in the US have different ages of consent, as do many countries in the EU. I guess it is the same throughout Asia including the muslim countries that allow child marriage.

 

[Mook23]

5 hours ago, elliss said:

 

  Exsuse me  sir ,  where is your  little  town ,  I can travel .

 

        LADY  she work  Bar , aka bar lady ,  not same same   prostitute . LOSs

   

U no undastaaand. These girls are just local "innocent" gals. They like money and yaba and iphone maak maak. They hate to work in 7/11 cuz salary low and the uniform sux. And h€rr prayuth told them to be creative ???

[Mook23]

Elliss; i rather keep my town lowkey. U see. I get farlang discount. Im very white and just turned 40 and they compare me with a name that is very hard to pronounce: david beckham. 555 ???

[Tony125]

Special Note to U.S. Citizens Travelling Abroad

July 2002:
Interesting Point arrived by email:

A final note: it is possible to go to many Asian countries and participate in the sexual tourism scene without breaking any laws there and still be prosecuted when you return home because what you did would have been illegal in your home country. For example, the age of consent in Japan is 14; it is possible to legally have sex with a 14-year-old girl in Japan and then be prosecuted for child molestation, sexual assault on a minor, etc., when you return home. About 30 Western nations have laws to this effect. Those laws differ greatly from country to country and there is little information available on how often they are used. 

Although an act of sexual intercourse with a 14-year-old child is illegal in the United Kingdom, it is not an unlawful act in Spain, under Spanish law. 


07-2000 EDITOR NOTES:  We received this interesting email:

Subject: r.e. U.S. Citizens travelling abroad 

I enjoyed looking through your site. It was interesting to see the wide variety between various states and countries.

Now, the main reason I'm writing, is to clear up some apparent confusion as to the meaning of the federal law you cited
(U.S. Code, Title 18, Chapter 117, SubSection 2423). First, one of the e-mails implied that this was a "new" law. I believe the
law has been on the books at least since the 70's. However, from time to time laws are "updated" or the wording is changed
slightly to reflect court decisions or to close "loopholes" in the law. Anyway, a few minor wording changes were made recently,
but this is not a new law.

The more important point in all of this is, " how does this law affect the people visiting this web site?" Actually, this law has very 
little to do with the reason people visit your web site. The age of consent really is not the point here. The confusion lies in how
you read this law. Legal mumbo-jumbo goes around in circles and is easy to misread if you're not used to reading it. Everyone
so far has completely ignored the key term here; "Interstate or Foreign Commerce". If a person is travelling in "foreign commerce", then he or she is going to another country for the purpose of conducting business. Likewise, someone travelling in "interstate commerce" is travelling to another state to conduct some kind of business. Now, with that in mind, lets discuss the 2 parts of this statute.

Part (a) is simple. Anyone who transports a minor (under 18) to another state or country for the purpose of having that
person engage in any kind of sexual "business", such as prostitution, has violated this code and committed a crime.

Part (b) is a little more complex but essentially it says that if you travel across state or international lines for the purpose of 
paying for a sex act (defined in Chapter 109A, SubSection 2246, [basically, penetration, oral sex, intercourse]) with a minor (in this case minor may mean under 16 OR 18, depending on the specific act), and if the sex act you are paying for is considered a crime under chapter 109A, subsection 2241-2245 (basically, rape, sexual assault, statutory rape[under 16]), then you have committed a crime.  You are also guilty if you aren't the one travelling but are a conspirator in the crime. An example would be if you sold people trips overseas for the purpose of having them pay for sex with minors (in this case, under 16).

Nothing in this law, I repeat, NOTHING keeps you from having consensual sex with someone under 18, as long as it's not against the local laws, under the age of consent where you are, and you're not paying the person (or being paid yourself) if the person is under the age of 16. I want to be clear on this, if you are in a country where the age of consent is 14, then you can have consensual sex with that person, you just can't pay to have sex with a 14 year old while you're there.

Hope this helps your readers.

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

48 minutes ago, Golden Triangle said:

My Mrs has just had her 40th birthday, trust me they are the best :) Mr G & T a very lucky man 

Congratulations!

My missus just turned 38 and is still 45Kg with a good figure after three kids.

In the UK/US etc they just don't care. Poo Ying look after themselves!

[Dogmatix]

19 hours ago, manarak said:

No, but the article makes clear "A" is a prostitute, and the lower age limit for prostitutes is 18.

 

And the lower legal  age limit outside of prostitution is 15.

Correct. This can only be an offence under the Prostitution Act which requires evidence of a commercial transaction and that the act should take place in a place of prostitution (undefined in the act). Since it was his rented room, they might struggle to get a conviction, even if she sticks to the story that she was paid which they usually don't. However, there may we'll be other offences to do with the filming and they will no doubt use the ubiquitous Computer Crimes Act. Alternatively they could send him back to US to be prosecuted where the age of consent is at least 18 in most states.

 

Statutory rape applies under the Criminal Code, if the minor is under the age of 15. Even then an unmarried THAI rapist can often get off the hook by agreeing to marry his victim.

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

7 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

Correct. This can only be an offence under the Prostitution Act which requires evidence of a commercial transaction and that the act should take place in a place of prostitution (undefined in the act). Since it was his rented room, they might struggle to get a conviction, even if she sticks to the story that she was paid which they usually don't. However, there may we'll be other offences to do with the filming and they will no doubt use the ubiquitous Computer Crimes Act. Alternatively they could send him back to US to be prosecuted where the age of consent is at least 18 in most states.

 

Statutory rape applies under the Criminal Code, if the minor is under the age of 15. Even then an unmarried THAI rapist can often get off the hook by agreeing to marry his victim.

Check your facts on the age of consent in the US and elsewhere. It is 16 in the UK for instance.

[Mook23]

2 hours ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

Congratulations!

My missus just turned 38 and is still 45Kg with a good figure after three kids.

In the UK/US etc they just don't care. Poo Ying look after themselves!

Lol. My missus, farlang, 42 looks like 33 yo. No kids. Fantastic female body. Never any cosmetics or surgery. Plenty of money in the bank. Owns her own condo and business. Massive intellectual capacity fitting my needs. Works just 24h a week self-employed and makes more than the average farlang monger here in chang singlet. Speaks 4 languages fluently. Can cook. Can do laundry. Can get naughty in bed without money changing hands. Can also think critically. Doesnt say "up to u" when she means "no". Doesnt follow any cult of personality or religion. Doesnt judge people on their skin complexion. She does voice her opinion often however and doesn't smile to every clown she encounters. She also doesn't believe in ghosts and knows that most knowitall farlangs in los are laughing stock back home. Anyway: To each their own ???

Ps. She can EVEN clean herself with H2O after xxxxxxx

[Dogmatix]

On 31/01/2017 at 6:46 AM, ballpoint said:

All prostitution is illegal, but some prostitution is more illegal than others.

 

The 1999 Prostitution Act only prohibits prostitution in the context of soliciting that causes a nuisance to others. It stops well short if actually making prostitution a crime. For customers it makes buying sex from prostitutes below the age of 18 a crime, if this takes place in a specific place of prostitution, a crime. It also makes the 'keeping of a bawdy house' and procurement a crime. It stops short of making the broad Anglo-Saxon offence of 'living off immoral earnings a crime. For the first time in Thai law the Act was written so as not to exclude male prostitution from its definitions.

 

i recall the bill being debated during the Chuan administration. There was some fierce opposition from male MPs, while a small band of female MPs fought a mainly losing rearguard action to add substance to the law.

[Dogmatix]

I am curious as to why posters are submitting information and opinions about their middle aged wives here. No one is interested in your wife's figure or how clever she is. Enjoy but keep it to yourself. This is not a 'Readers' Wives' thread.

[SaintLouisBlues]

2 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

I am curious as to why posters are submitting information and opinions about their middle aged wives here. 

Hoping to trade up?

[whatawonderfulday]

14 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Glad to have helped you! Most people paying for sex in Thailand are actually Thai.

Good to see that TV still has the full compliment of hypocrites, bigoted persons and youngsters with minimal life experiences.   At the end of the day sex is always and was always a paid for commodity in one way or the other.  In its basic form prostitution, where it is the most direct , is maybe the most honest way of paying for it.  In it's other form there is co-habitation/marriage which still costs money and usually significantly more but protected by the moralists who are in factual denial.

 

Of course the bigoted few will consider that sex between older men and younger women is wrong.  Unfortunately evolution disputes that theory in its entirety but of course those persons are generally unread.  Perhaps a moralistic throw back from the Victorian era.

 

What however is never considered, and I can not recall reading about it on this forum,  is sex between old ladies and younger underage men or even sex between parties perhaps both into their 70's or 80's.  Why not ? Well maybe that does not interest the moralistic few who prefer to preach their bigoted opinions to others knowing that the readership would be somewhat minimal.

[Arkady]

2 hours ago, whatawonderfulday said:

Good to see that TV still has the full compliment of hypocrites, bigoted persons and youngsters with minimal life experiences.   At the end of the day sex is always and was always a paid for commodity in one way or the other.  In its basic form prostitution, where it is the most direct , is maybe the most honest way of paying for it.  In it's other form there is co-habitation/marriage which still costs money and usually significantly more but protected by the moralists who are in factual denial.

 

Of course the bigoted few will consider that sex between older men and younger women is wrong.  Unfortunately evolution disputes that theory in its entirety but of course those persons are generally unread.  Perhaps a moralistic throw back from the Victorian era.

 

What however is never considered, and I can not recall reading about it on this forum,  is sex between old ladies and younger underage men or even sex between parties perhaps both into their 70's or 80's.  Why not ? Well maybe that does not interest the moralistic few who prefer to preach their bigoted opinions to others knowing that the readership would be somewhat minimal.

 

I haven't seen this in respect of foreign ladies and underage boys (or girls) but there have been one or two cases of statutory rape brought against female teachers in their 20s who were intimate with 13 or 14 year old male students. (Threads should be in the TV archives).  I don't remember any female teachers going to prison for this but remember one being dismissed from government service.

 

Statutory rape of female students (forced and consensual) by male teachers seems a lot more common and the culprits seem usually to avoid prison or get off scot free, often by discrediting the victims' testimony with support from the school establishment.  I guess that the vast majority of cases, in common with other types of rape in Thailand, go unreported.

[NotThatGuy]

On 1/31/2017 at 11:42 AM, LannaGuy said:

 

Hallelujah brother!  Neuter all those guys paying for sex... in fact stop sex NOW!  and while you're at it ban bars and all forms of sin and burn the girl for consenting and receiving payment!

 

Amen

It's not about sex, but the exploitation of a minor for pornographic content. Big difference. Let's imagine you have a daughter, you ok with a dirty old man paying to film her boinking him? You sure?

[brewsterbudgen]

Good to see that TV still has the full compliment of hypocrites, bigoted persons and youngsters with minimal life experiences.   At the end of the day sex is always and was always a paid for commodity in one way or the other.  In its basic form prostitution, where it is the most direct , is maybe the most honest way of paying for it.  In it's other form there is co-habitation/marriage which still costs money and usually significantly more but protected by the moralists who are in factual denial.
 
Of course the bigoted few will consider that sex between older men and younger women is wrong.  Unfortunately evolution disputes that theory in its entirety but of course those persons are generally unread.  Perhaps a moralistic throw back from the Victorian era.
 
What however is never considered, and I can not recall reading about it on this forum,  is sex between old ladies and younger underage men or even sex between parties perhaps both into their 70's or 80's.  Why not ? Well maybe that does not interest the moralistic few who prefer to preach their bigoted opinions to others knowing that the readership would be somewhat minimal.

All well made points, but this thread is about underage sex which, whatever way you look at it, should be condemned by all, including open-minded men of the world such as your good self.

[Mook23]

7 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

I am curious as to why posters are submitting information and opinions about their middle aged wives here. No one is interested in your wife's figure or how clever she is. Enjoy but keep it to yourself. This is not a 'Readers' Wives' thread.

In my case it was an act of parody ?

I cant post the truth here about my harem of minors that i miss so much and feel so lonely when there are not naked and covered with cocosoil in my bed 5555

[LannaGuy]

2 hours ago, NotThatGuy said:

It's not about sex, but the exploitation of a minor for pornographic content. Big difference. Let's imagine you have a daughter, you ok with a dirty old man paying to film her boinking him? You sure?

I comment on what I know and I have stated I know nothing (nor do you) about his computer etc.  I stand by that a 17 year old, consensually, having sex and being paid for it is common here and in no way breaks my ethical code nor most other people's it just IS NOT the ethical issue you propose.

[chasntong]

On 1/31/2017 at 5:16 AM, Thechook said:

So is under 18 a minor in Thailand?  I thought 16 was the age of consent, guess I was wrong.

You were/ unless your Thai