Junta slammed as Pattaya "baht buses" taken off the street

[Allstars]

21 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

There are designated areas?

 

Who knew...

Difficult to look past them

 

Edited February 4, 2017 by Allstars

[Chicken George]

19 hours ago, gdgbb said:

It won't drive anyone anywhere, it's affected 32 buses out of hundreds which means no measurable impact on passengers and they will be back in 2 more days.

Best not to make any assumptions about other posters, you're almost always going to be wrong.

Yes larger organised buses by the powers that be working together would of course help.. Organisation is the key word. Fingers in the pie will also have an effect. Streets like soi Buakaow diffucult. Long way to walk on a narrow road to get to a stop. Lets face it. Its not broken so no fix needed.. :-)

[Roger Lee]

I've been a witness to many baht bus drivers with bad attitudes, changing routes without any notice, overcharging if they feel like it, and telling me to get off without notice or prior notice.  Yeah, great value for 10 baht but unreliable and not reliable.  If the Army thinks they can straighten out this gang of unreliable thieving and conniving crooks, then my hat's off to them. 

 

Good Luck

 

 

[fforest1]

1 hour ago, Roger Lee said:

I've been a witness to many baht bus drivers with bad attitudes, changing routes without any notice, overcharging if they feel like it, and telling me to get off without notice or prior notice.  Yeah, great value for 10 baht but unreliable and not reliable.  If the Army thinks they can straighten out this gang of unreliable thieving and conniving crooks, then my hat's off to them. 

 

Good Luck

 

 

 

So what if they change routes...( which they rarely do)

You might be out 10 whole baht or maybe nothing depending

on how long you have been on the baht bus..

Your a big boy (I hope) just get another baht bus...

 

Overcharging on a baht bus route? Nope.. It just does not  happen..

I have taken the baht bus 1000s of times....

 

 It sounds like you need 100% reliability 100% of the time..

You should stick to Taxis ....It will cost you 10x or 20x the

price though...

 

My friend if your looking for crooks look to Pattaya taxis whos

meters are forever broken....
The baht bus drivers are the good guys...

 

Edited February 4, 2017 by fforest1

[bodymassagemyfriend]

On 03/02/2017 at 0:52 PM, Tatsujin said:

Sure, but is it actually making things "better"?

Over 8 song taews passing by , only one really does the job. Others turn into 'private taxi' 

One has to clarify who acts as a taxi and who acts as a public transportation. If they are not willing to act as public transport,

get rid of 80% of them to leave way to real bus lines. Andkeep yellow taxis. Full stop

[bodymassagemyfriend]

On 03/02/2017 at 1:10 PM, fforest1 said:

How very very wong you are...

The baht buses move huge numbers of people who with-out the BBs

would all need their own transport...

You just forget a regular bus system. You may have noticed the congestion in Bangkok where 50% of the cars are mostly EMPTY taxis. Unlike private cars , Taxi vacate on the road with no purpose but taking passengers which is source of congestion. Bus lines and MRT are far more efficient and since its a previsible traffic it also contributes to reduce congestion. You can even allocate dedicated lanes for this

Edited February 4, 2017 by bodymassagemyfriend

[fforest1]

10 minutes ago, bodymassagemyfriend said:

You just forget a regular bus system. You may have noticed the congestion in Bangkok where 50% of the cars are mostly EMPTY taxis. Unlike private cars , Taxi vacate on the road with no purpose but taking passengers which is source of congestion. Bus lines and MRT are far more efficient and since its a previsible traffic it also contributes to reduce congestion. You can even allocate dedicated lanes for this

Taxis can move 1-3 people baht buses can move up to 20 people...

Pattaya is to small for buses any ways...

[Destiny1990]

35 minutes ago, fforest1 said:

Taxis can move 1-3 people baht buses can move up to 20 people...

Pattaya is to small for buses any ways...

20 people in a songteaw haha.

Songteaw max 12 persons but often stuffed till 14.

mini busses aircon 22 seats or mono tram fixed fees fixed stops.

[fforest1]

25 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

20 people in a songteaw haha.

Songteaw max 12 persons but often stuffed till 14.

mini busses aircon 22 seats or mono tram fixed fees fixed stops.

 

I have seen 20 people stuffed in a baht bus...(it was not pretty)... lol

But your right 12-14 is more common....

 

Baht buses are fast and nimble..Perfect for Pattaya..

 

Boy a fleet of mini buses,with their slow load and unload

times would really clog up Pattays streets...

And I will bet the farm that wait times for the mini buses

would be a lot lot longer than baht buses...

 

 

Edited February 4, 2017 by fforest1

[Destiny1990]

35 minutes ago, fforest1 said:

 

I have seen 20 people stuffed in a baht bus...(it was not pretty)... lol

But your right 12-14 is more common....

 

Baht buses are fast and nimble..Perfect for Pattaya..

 

Boy a fleet of mini buses,with their slow load and unload

times would really clog up Pattays streets...

And I will bet the farm that wait times for the mini buses

would be a lot lot longer than baht buses...

 

 

U have no idea what u talk about clog up and since u cant even get the numbers down proves me that again.

fixed stops will prevent clog ups and aircon micro bus offers more comforts and safety where now frequently passengers  bounch out of!

the only one that sits safe and comfortable in the bath bus is the driver!

[fforest1]

54 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

U have no idea what u talk about clog up and since u cant even get the numbers down proves me that again.

fixed stops will prevent clog ups and aircon micro bus offers more comforts and safety where now frequently passengers  bounch out of!

the only one that sits safe and comfortable in the bath bus is the driver!

In many 1000s of baht bus trips I have yet to see a person

bounce out...This would be good amo for the baht bus hatters

if it were true..But it is not....

Even you must admit the baht buses are extremely well ventilated

in the back..

People don't need super comfort for a quick ride down the street..

Alls they want is a quick ride down the street, which the baht buses

provide quite nicely...

Your thinking is better suited to long distance travel....

 

Edited February 4, 2017 by fforest1

[Destiny1990]

9 minutes ago, fforest1 said:

In many 1000s of baht bus trips I have yet to see a person

bounce out...This would be good amo for the baht bus hatters

if it were true..But it is not....

Even you must admit the baht buses are extremely well ventilated

in the back..

People don't need super comfort for a quick ride down the street..

Alls they want is a quick ride down the street, which the baht buses

provide quite nicely...

Your thinking is better suited to long distance travel....

 

No seatbelts ,then sitting sideways, open construction great now imagine a crash with 50 km an hour against a tree.

No quick rides yes high speed sometimes but many rides takes 20-30 minutes.i prefer aircon microbus in a normal chair in stead of sit on some bench in the songteaw.fixed fee fixed stops no more glocs.

[Destiny1990]

Passengers need to realise that to exit one meter infront of ur destination and getting on a songteaw without walking first to a proper bus stop station is finished.walking most be the norm!

[balo]

If they really want regular buses in Pattaya just copy Bangkok and pay 7 to 15 baht instead.

 

 

[fforest1]

6 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

No seatbelts ,then sitting sideways, open construction great now imagine a crash with 50 km an hour against a tree.

No quick rides yes high speed sometimes but many rides takes 20-30 minutes.i prefer aircon microbus in a normal chair in stead of sit on some bench in the songteaw.fixed fee fixed stops no more glocs.

Your dreaming if you think your wondrous mini bus is going to

stay cool with the door opening and closing every few minutes..

In the hot season passengers will be roasting like a turkey on

a rotisserie grill,unless they put turbochargers on the air-con

units....

The vast majority of rides are far far less than 20-30 minutes..

High speeds? really? I wish...Most of the time there is to much

traffic for high speeds plus stop lights plus food carts plus

plus plus.....

Are fixed stops a magical cure for traffic problems?

 

[Destiny1990]

1 minute ago, fforest1 said:

Your dreaming if you think your wondrous mini bus is going to

stay cool with the door opening and closing every few minutes..

In the hot season passengers will be roasting like a turkey on

a rotisserie grill,unless they put turbochargers on the air-con

units....

The vast majority of rides are far far less than 20-30 minutes..

High speeds? really? I wish...Most of the time there is to much

traffic for high speeds plus stop lights plus food carts plus

plus plus.....

Are fixed stops a magical cure for traffic problems?

 

If you dont like things to improve around here then why dont u try to crawl to your destinations.an average common  ride from middle jomtien beach to central mall pattaya takes 25 -30 minutes. Speed varies but some parts 70 km possible.if u claim people ride songteaw just for 2 minutes ride then u wrong once again same as u wrong everything else  u type here.

[fforest1]

12 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

If you dont like things to improve around here then why dont u try to crawl to your destinations.an average common  ride from middle jomtien beach to central mall pattaya takes 25 -30 minutes. Speed varies but some parts 70 km possible.if u claim people ride songteaw just for 2 minutes ride then u wrong once again same as u wrong everything else  u type here.

 

 

The vast majority of rides are far far less than 20-30 minutes..

I said The vast majority not all.....

 

You can take your mini bus

and I will keep taking the baht bus ....Happiness for everybody..... 

[Roger Lee]

6 hours ago, fforest1 said:

 

So what if they change routes...( which they rarely do)

You might be out 10 whole baht or maybe nothing depending

on how long you have been on the baht bus..

Your a big boy (I hope) just get another baht bus...

 

Overcharging on a baht bus route? Nope.. It just does not  happen..

I have taken the baht bus 1000s of times....

 

 It sounds like you need 100% reliability 100% of the time..

You should stick to Taxis ....It will cost you 10x or 20x the

price though...

 

My friend if your looking for crooks look to Pattaya taxis whos

meters are forever broken....
The baht bus drivers are the good guys...

 

This has nothing to do with my physical size so get over it.  And it's you're or you are not your.

 

I have been overcharged numerous times, it's not the amount but the principal of being ripped off that bothers me.

 

The taxi drivers will rip you off just as much if one is not careful.  There are good baht bus drivers but unfortunately you'll find a handful of greedy ones out there also.

 

My hat's off to the Army for trying to clean up this mess.

 

 

Edited February 4, 2017 by Roger Lee

[NanLaew]

23 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

Where are the "designated areas"?  1 Km apart on second road?  100 meters apart. etc?

Between 100 and 300 m apart depending on where they have cleaned up an existing bus stop or added a new one.

[Ace of Pop]

I stood on the back Or sat with the Driver ,bloody things are made for Garden Gnomes.


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[Mousehound]

Baht Buses are the best.  The system works, is cheap and I love them.  Wish we had them in OZ,

[NanLaew]

1 minute ago, Mousehound said:

Baht Buses are the best.  The system works, is cheap and I love them.  Wish we had them in OZ,

Yes.... and with their kerb crawling and non-signalled sudden stops and lane changes, lets see how that goes.

[gk10002000]

12 minutes ago, Mousehound said:

Baht Buses are the best.  The system works, is cheap and I love them.  Wish we had them in OZ,

they were great.  I thought they were fantastically convenient for a tourist town.  However, as the place got more and more crowded they have run into many issues.

[NanLaew]

7 hours ago, fforest1 said:

In many 1000s of baht bus trips I have yet to see a person

bounce out...This would be good amo for the baht bus hatters

if it were true..But it is not....

Even you must admit the baht buses are extremely well ventilated

in the back..

People don't need super comfort for a quick ride down the street..

Alls they want is a quick ride down the street, which the baht buses

provide quite nicely...

Your thinking is better suited to long distance travel....

 

Plenty local news stories of people bouncing off the back steps or being pitched on their <deleted> on the road when the baht bus moves off. Admittedly, most of the former are drunk and most of the latter were running up from behind to jump on a baht bus from that had already stopped and the driver had no idea that anyone was getting onboard. But just because you haven't seen it on your "1000's" of trips doesn't mean it isn't common. Stay safe out there.

 

6 hours ago, fforest1 said:

Your dreaming if you think your wondrous mini bus is going to

stay cool with the door opening and closing every few minutes..

In the hot season passengers will be roasting like a turkey on

a rotisserie grill,unless they put turbochargers on the air-con

units....

The vast majority of rides are far far less than 20-30 minutes..

High speeds? really? I wish...Most of the time there is to much

traffic for high speeds plus stop lights plus food carts plus

plus plus.....

Are fixed stops a magical cure for traffic problems?

 

If you are talking about the infamous 'roht tou' or minivan that runs provincial and inter city routes then agreed, they are totally impractical for the reasons beyond the ones you state. I am talking about commuter buses like the Pattaya school buses already successfully in use since around 2011.

 

 

And here are the controversial new ones for the BMTA. Just look at the size of the air conditioning units!!!

 

[NanLaew]

Baht buses are challenged when busy because of the single aisle, two rows of bench seats and single entrance/exit at the back. When it comes to the future with quality, family tourists wanting to get from north Pattaya 5-star hotels and condo's to mid and south pattaya malls and restaurants, how about a 'kerb crawler' service along Beach and Second using these? Limited to driving in the near-side lane and stopping only at bus stops and speed limited like the ones at Tukcom parking garage.

 

[Mousehound]

35 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Yes.... and with their kerb crawling and non-signalled sudden stops and lane changes, lets see how that goes.

So a bit like the huge MTT buses and cabs that clog up the roads now then! 

Also I can wait up to an hour to get a bus that I often have to stand up in, after which I have an 800 meter walk to get home.  Yes, the system is really great in OZ.

[Destiny1990]

33 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Baht buses are challenged when busy because of the single aisle, two rows of bench seats and single entrance/exit at the back. When it comes to the future with quality, family tourists wanting to get from north Pattaya 5-star hotels and condo's to mid and south pattaya malls and restaurants, how about a 'kerb crawler' service along Beach and Second using these? Limited to driving in the near-side lane and stopping only at bus stops and speed limited like the ones at Tukcom parking garage.

 

Looks nice and also this is helping the chain snatchers to do effectively their jobs..but seriously not sitting sideways is an improvement..

[siam2007]

On 03/02/2017 at 5:15 PM, Jingthing said:

Sure, of course, but things now seem to be changing for the worse with the baht bus system. 

On taxis, we NEVER had a taxi meter system here. 

 

 

Chiang Mai didn't have either - then suddenly UBER was allowed to operate.... 

[JSixpack]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

Baht buses are challenged when busy because of the single aisle, two rows of bench seats and single entrance/exit at the back. When it comes to the future with quality, family tourists wanting to get from north Pattaya 5-star hotels and condo's to mid and south pattaya malls and restaurants, how about a 'kerb crawler' service along Beach and Second using these? Limited to driving in the near-side lane and stopping only at bus stops and speed limited like the ones at Tukcom parking garage.

 

 

Not bad. Go that route, I'd suggest the bigger, heavier duty trams used on the ABAC Bangna campus:

 

 

 

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, Mousehound said:

So a bit like the huge MTT buses and cabs that clog up the roads now then! 

Also I can wait up to an hour to get a bus that I often have to stand up in, after which I have an 800 meter walk to get home.  Yes, the system is really great in OZ.

But it is only a 400 m walk to get from a baht bus bereft Buakhao to a bus stop on Second Road. Eventually, with the plans to change Pattaya's current disorganized traffic clogging baht bus circus into non-request stop system with empty baht buses forced to wait at designated stops until at least 4 fares are onboard, you will feel right at home, eh?