snoop1130 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 21 brands of Thai fish sauce free from botulinum toxin Twenty-one brands of Thai fish sauce (nam pla) have been declared free from botulinum toxin and clostridium botulinum bacteria. Medical Science Department chief Dr Sukhum Kanchanapimai said on Monday that, after the United States had banned the import of all Thai fish sauce in 2014 for the lack of information about tests of botulinum toxin in the product, the Office of Food Safety and Quality had tested 48 brands of fish sauce available in the market to determine the content of botulinum toxin in the product. Full Story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/21-brands-thai-fish-sauce-free-botulinum-toxin/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2017-2-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 But they tested 48 brands Either that is some incompetent reporting, or 27 brands contain botulinum toxin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) "Medical Science Department chief Dr Sukhum Kanchanapimai said on Monday that, after the United States had banned the import of all Thai fish sauce in 2014 for the lack of information about tests of botulinum toxin in the product, the Office of Food Safety and Quality had tested 48 brands of fish sauce available in the market to determine the content of botulinum toxin in the product. " Do we get to know which brands the 27 that presumably failed are? Edited February 6, 2017 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 40 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: But they tested 48 brands Either that is some incompetent reporting, or 27 brands contain botulinum toxin. And of course they're not going to tell us which brands contain it.... Also many restaurants in my area make their own fishsauce (which tastes much better than from a bottle). It would be nice if we could be sure the ones we buy were safe and tested regularly...but hey of course that's too much asked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manarak Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 botulinum toxin degrades with rising salt concentration and with fermentation. this means that nam pla that has fermented for a long time will be safe - I expect the more expensive brands to be fermented longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brer Fox Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) Gee whiz! That's a good result for Thailand. 21 brands of fish sauce out of 48 are safe for human consumption. Is it a guarded secret which one's aren't safe? Edited February 6, 2017 by Brer Fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 In 'first world countries': 'On xxx brands of 'nam pla' available on our market, 48 were tested, only 21 of have been declared free from ... (and safe for human consumption...?), these are brands 1-2-3-4 ... 21. In 'third world Thailand': How many brands of 'nam pla' there are on the Thai market we are not told, maybe just because the M.S.D. doesn't have a clue about it..., we're told 48 were tested, and only the names of the 27 showing to be contaminated are made public, giving a false sense of security to the consumers to buy any of the other ones, some of are though most probably also contaminated, I would eat my best Borsalino when not! Would that M.S.D., maybe, be afraid of being sued by any brand, even from the 27 contaminated ones, when they would name only the 21ones which tested 'safe'? Thainess, or ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumbleweed Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 21 brands of Thai fish sauce free from botulinum toxin - but 27 do Demonstrating the fact that Thais haven't yet managed the art of giving health warnings Furthermore: "We're sorry we can't tell you which brands for fear of getting our butts sued for bringing the good name of the manufacturers, who lace your food with toxins, into disrepute" Now let me guess why they don't publish a list of the brands that weren't contaminated - For some unknown reason, the words envelope and brown keep coming to mind Never mind TIT Look on the bright side; There's only a 56% chance your choice of fish sauce will poison you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Now I know where those bargain plastic surgeries get their "fish sauce". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 21 out of 48. So presumably, 27 might well be contaminated ... and equally presumably, no one is going to mention any names for fear of defamation, never mind the potential food hazard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Without naming names, a complete waste of time and manpower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tandor Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 17 hours ago, Bluespunk said: "Medical Science Department chief Dr Sukhum Kanchanapimai said on Monday that, after the United States had banned the import of all Thai fish sauce in 2014 for the lack of information about tests of botulinum toxin in the product, the Office of Food Safety and Quality had tested 48 brands of fish sauce available in the market to determine the content of botulinum toxin in the product. " Do we get to know which brands the 27 that presumably failed are? ...extract from the full report. "Of the 48 brands tested, 28 are genuine fish from 18 production sources from12 provinces. 20 samples from production sources from eight provinces are adulterated fish sauce. However, tests show none of them have botulinum toxin of types A, B, E and F and free from clostridium botulinum bacteria." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 3 hours ago, tandor said: ...extract from the full report. "Of the 48 brands tested, 28 are genuine fish from 18 production sources from12 provinces. 20 samples from production sources from eight provinces are adulterated fish sauce. However, tests show none of them have botulinum toxin of types A, B, E and F and free from clostridium botulinum bacteria." And that bit of info made some sense to you? Care to translate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenslegs Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, tandor said: ...extract from the full report. "Of the 48 brands tested, 28 are genuine fish from 18 production sources from12 provinces. 20 samples from production sources from eight provinces are adulterated fish sauce. However, tests show none of them have botulinum toxin of types A, B, E and F and free from clostridium botulinum bacteria." 16 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: And that bit of info made some sense to you? Care to translate? I'll try. 48 brands tested, 28 found to be genuine fish sauce, 20 found to be adulterated (not genuine) fish sauce, 0 found to contain the toxin or bacteria. Fork knows where the number 21 in the headlines came from. That figure is not mentioned anywhere else. Edited February 7, 2017 by chickenslegs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, chickenslegs said: I'll try. 48 brands tested, 28 found to be genuine fish sauce, 20 found to be adulterated (not genuine) fish sauce, 0 found to contain the toxin or bacteria. Fork knows where the number 21 in the headlines came from. That figure is not mentioned anywhere else. Just as I suspected in my first post, it is just another jewel of Thai journalism. Didn't understand the subject, but wrote an article anyhoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prbkk Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 22 hours ago, Bluespunk said: "Medical Science Department chief Dr Sukhum Kanchanapimai said on Monday that, after the United States had banned the import of all Thai fish sauce in 2014 for the lack of information about tests of botulinum toxin in the product, the Office of Food Safety and Quality had tested 48 brands of fish sauce available in the market to determine the content of botulinum toxin in the product. " Do we get to know which brands the 27 that presumably failed are? 'On special' in the supermarkets this week.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 30 minutes ago, Prbkk said: 'On special' in the supermarkets this week.... Ha, ha, ha, brilliant. That's going to keep me chuckling all week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, tandor said: ...extract from the full report. "Of the 48 brands tested, 28 are genuine fish from 18 production sources from12 provinces. 20 samples from production sources from eight provinces are adulterated fish sauce. However, tests show none of them have botulinum toxin of types A, B, E and F and free from clostridium botulinum bacteria." I read that. Still doesn't explain the headline of 21 being cleared. If all 48 are safe why not say so? Edited February 7, 2017 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tandor Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 15 hours ago, canuckamuck said: And that bit of info made some sense to you? Care to translate? " none of them have botulinum toxin" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar501 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Squid Brand has always had an identity issue with its fish sauce. The label used to read "Does not contain squid" Now it just details what ingredients to expect inside, including FISH, but no mention of botulinum. That's a relief!! Edited February 8, 2017 by Radar501 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeneeds Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I have a friend here from an Island far (away lets say, ) he has been buying two bottles of fish sauce for a couple of years now, and when I made comment a few months ago about why he had 2 bottles of the same product on the dining table, he explained that he was reducing his chances of getting the wrong bottle, I love life, here, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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