Trump national security adviser Flynn resigns in controversy over Russian contacts

[stevenl]

Flynn had promised Pence he had not discussed .... Any chance that is not the whole truth?

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[stevenl]

It's a possibility Pence and Trump knew he lied.  If so, they are both also in hot water.  Hopefully, Trump will get in trouble over his many lies.

IMO likely at least one of them knew. But it will never get out.

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[Skywalker69]

Flynn’s Resignation Letter Just Implied Trump Was Aware Of His Treason.

 

http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/02/14/flynns-resignation-letter-just-implied-trump-aware-treason/

[Opl]

13 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said:

 

Flynn’s Resignation Letter Just Implied Trump Was Aware Of His Treason.

 

http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/02/14/flynns-resignation-letter-just-implied-trump-aware-treason/

So does it mean Trump did not even checked this resignation letter before Flynn made it public?

 

And " Flynn makes no mention of having misled Trump on this at all – which suggests that Trump never asked Flynn about it. And there would only have been one logical reason for Trump to have not bothered asking Flynn about this revelation: Trump already knew about the Russian collusion, because Trump told Flynn to make the phone calls."?

from this link Inside your link above:

http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/michael-flynn-resignation-letter-donald-trump-russia/1534/

Edited February 14, 2017 by Opl

[stevenl]

Flynn’s Resignation Letter Just Implied Trump Was Aware Of His Treason.
 
http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/02/14/flynns-resignation-letter-just-implied-trump-aware-treason/

I think in that article they're looking for it. I don't see how this letter supports the conclusion Trump knew.

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[Skywalker69]

2 hours ago, Opl said:

So does it mean Trump did not even checked this resignation letter before Flynn made it public?

 

And " Flynn makes no mention of having misled Trump on this at all – which suggests that Trump never asked Flynn about it. And there would only have been one logical reason for Trump to have not bothered asking Flynn about this revelation: Trump already knew about the Russian collusion, because Trump told Flynn to make the phone calls."?

from this link Inside your link above:

http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/michael-flynn-resignation-letter-donald-trump-russia/1534/

Flynn sitting next to Putin at a dinnertable in Russia, also Jill Stein (Green Party) is present.

[Skywalker69]

Michael Flynn resigns as the White House’s Russia scandal intensifies

 

Yesterday afternoon, White House Counselor Kellyanne Conway appeared on MSNBC and assured the public that National Security Advisor Michael Flynn enjoys Donald Trump’s “full confidence.” That turned out to be far from true.

 

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/michael-flynn-resigns-the-white-houses-russia-scandal-intensifies?cid=sm_fb_maddow

[emilymat]

I see Donald is to speak to Teresa May in the next hour. Perhaps he's going to ask if Nigel farage is available. Or, he could simply be calling to say "Stick you royal visit up your ......" I know I would after some of the nonsense surrounding it on this side of the pond. At least he is elected, whatever many US citizens think. Our PM 'emerged"., to use the old expression. 

[Skywalker69]

11 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

It's a possibility Pence and Trump knew he lied.  If so, they are both also in hot water.  Hopefully, Trump will get in trouble over his many lies.

Justice Department warned White House that Flynn could be vulnerable to Russian blackmail, officials say

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-warned-white-house-that-flynn-could-be-vulnerable-to-russian-blackmail-officials-say/2017/02/13/fc5dab88-f228-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.8c048f0f1577

[Skywalker69]

More about Flynn.

 

http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/02/14/kellyanne-conway-just-embarrassed-live-today-show/

[ELVIS123456]

To all the anti-Trumpers who delight in this resignation, here is (wasted) enlightenment for you:

 

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

 

Theodore Roosevelt said that - who as POTUS enacted Immigration Act of 1907, signed into law by President Theodore Roosevelt, had banned “polygamists, or persons who admit their belief in the practice of polygamy.”  And Trump is from the same cloth and will also be a great POTUS in the end - despite what all the inadequate critics say.

[Skywalker69]

1 minute ago, ELVIS123456 said:

To all the anti-Trumpers who delight in this resignation, here is (wasted) enlightenment for you:

 

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

 

Theodore Roosevelt said that - who as POTUS enacted Immigration Act of 1907, signed into law by President Theodore Roosevelt, had banned “polygamists, or persons who admit their belief in the practice of polygamy.”  And Trump is from the same cloth and will also be a great POTUS in the end - despite what all the inadequate critics say.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

I think there are two basic issues that still need to be fleshed out, and hopefully will:

 

1. Did Trump know about Flynn's pre-Inauguration sanctions conversation with the Russian ambassador, when did he know about it, and did he in fact direct Flynn to convey that message (willing to go back on sanctions) on his (Trump's) behalf? After all, Flynn had been working on the transition team and supposedly was a close national security advisor to Trump the candidate.

 

2. The concerns that were conveyed re Flynn from the acting AG and a national security official apparently were directly relayed by them to the Trump White House Counsel. What did that individual do with the information, whom did he share the warnings with, and what if anything was done inside the White House as a result of them -- in the time prior to all this hitting the public media fan?  That goes to the issue of was there in effect a White House conspiracy to ignore or try to cover up Flynn's misdeeds prior to them becoming public.

 

The answers to those questions are the kind that have the potential to bring down an Administration.

 

 

 

[Tawan Dok Krating Daeng]

1 hour ago, ELVIS123456 said:

To all the anti-Trumpers who delight in this resignation, here is (wasted) enlightenment for you:

 

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

 

Theodore Roosevelt said that - who as POTUS enacted Immigration Act of 1907, signed into law by President Theodore Roosevelt, had banned “polygamists, or persons who admit their belief in the practice of polygamy.”  And Trump is from the same cloth and will also be a great POTUS in the end - despite what all the inadequate critics say.

 

We may have to wait until the Democrats retake Congress in 2018 before we get the necessary hearings and inquiries into what role donald played in Flynn's illegal engagement with a foreign power as a private citizen during the Presidency of Barak Obama. However, if it is demonstrated that Flynn was acting on the instructions of donald, I think I can say with some certainty, having studied the Roosevelts, that Theodore Roosevelt, the 26th President of the United States would have called out donald to paces at dawn and slaughtered the idiot.

 

Your attempt to climb onto the shoulders of greatness merely exposes your inadequacy. The only comparison you make between Theodore Roosevelt and 45 is  a ban on polygamy. Perhaps you might want to look at a biography of the man or maybe view some documentaries - there was one in 2014 that you can probably buy online. It was quite excellent. I can see no area where Roosevelt's life coincides with donald. The words you quote talks about the value of striving. Roosevelt demonstrated this from childhood until the day he died. It is insulting to claim that these words or anything else about Theodore Roosevelt can be applied to the vain, entitled and selfish donald.

 

It is a good sign that a possible impeachable offense has been exposed less than a month into 45's chaotic, dysfunctional and embarrassing Presidency. If he doesn't go down for this, there is a good chance that other incompetencies and offenses will be exposed. All it takes is for a few Republicans to fear their 2018 re-election chances to turn the tide on this clown show.

[Skywalker69]

GOP senator calls for exhaustive investigation into Trump-Russia connections.

 

 

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Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) on Tuesday said there should be an exhaustive investigation into the ties between Russia and the Trump administration.

"I think everybody needs that investigation to happen," Blunt told KTRS radio, CNN reported.

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/319425-blunt-calls-for-exhaustive-investigation-into-trump-russia-connections

[jerojero]

Surprise surprise. Trump and his goonies think they can run rough-shod like they likely did in private boardrooms. Guess again. You are in Public service and wide open to necessary and appropriate scrutiny. Get used to it!

[craigt3365]

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/14/politics/donald-trump-administration-michael-flynn/index.html

 

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Trump, aware of DOJ warning, asked Flynn to resign after loss of trust

In new developments Tuesday, it emerged that Trump was told on January 26 -- more than two weeks ago -- that the Justice Department had concerns about Flynn's conduct.

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Adding to the drama, a White House official said on Tuesday afternoon that the FBI, which is already investigating alleged contacts between Trump surrogates and Russian officials and intermediaries, interviewed Flynn in the early days of the administration about the calls to the Russian ambassador.

 

 

This is far from over and includes investigations into Russian involvement in the election hacking.  More to come!

[Skywalker69]

17 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/14/politics/donald-trump-administration-michael-flynn/index.html

 

 

This is far from over and includes investigations into Russian involvement in the election hacking.  More to come!

BREAKING NEWS

The F.B.I. questioned Michael Flynn early in his tenure about his calls with Russia, officials said, raising the stakes of the scandal

Tuesday, February 14, 2017 3:01 PM EST

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/fbi-interviewed-mike-flynn.html?emc=edit_na_20170214&nl=breaking-news&nlid=76310506&ref=headline

[ilostmypassword]

7 hours ago, Skywalker69 said:

Yes, I feel that way about Obama, too.

[Alan Deer]

19 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

I doubt Pence was aware. In fact, Flynn had mislead Pence, so if anyone should be angry it is Pence. This is the 2nd time he has embarrassed Trump publicly. The first was when he and his son offered malicious lies accusing Mrs. Clinton of being implicated in a pedophile ring. 

 

President Obama terminated Flynn on the recommendation of  senior intelligence and military officials.  Trump gave this ill disciplined nut a second chance and he let his boss down. There was a crisis of confidence at the NSA and his departure  is the first step in fixing the problem.

 

Rather than seeing this as a negative, I see it as a positive: They got rid of a  dangerous dud fast. Time to move on. It's a  warning to any other people in the administration: Screw up and you are gone, fast.

So following this logic, the entire administration should be gone by the end of the month?

[Alan Deer]

4 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Yes, I feel that way about Obama, too.

You realise that Obama is not in Trump's admin?

[craigt3365]

10 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Yes, I feel that way about Obama, too.

That makes no sense.  And is off topic.

[ilostmypassword]

10 minutes ago, Alan Deer said:

You realise that Obama is not in Trump's admin?

I do realize it. I put my comment in the wrong post.

[Caps]

....and the Circus keeps gathering momentum 

[geriatrickid]

2 hours ago, Alan Deer said:

So following this logic, the entire administration should be gone by the end of the month?

I can only wish starting with Betty Devos and the horrid man who is now Secretary of the Treasury, joined by the  ignorant man who will run the EPA.  However, the fact remains that the USA needs a functioning government.  People are so consumed with hatred that they don't understand that  the more unstable the USA is, the more likely we are to have a catastrophe or a violent war.   Nothing says, support me than a war. 

 

Keep in mind that the GOP controls the Congress for 2 more years. Until such time as the USA comes to its senses and  throws out some of the GOP senators and representatives, nothing will be done to clip the Trump administration's wings. You can't impeach without a majority and it isn't there. And even if it gets to that point, Pence  is worse than Trump. Much, much worse. Meanwhile, Putin  has broken the arms control treaty,  Iran is stirring up sh*t and the jihadists are planning an attack.

 

America has to bite its lip for the next 2 years and to follow the sage advice of Presidents Obama, Bush and Clinton and that is to act in the best interests of the nation, and not continue the childish stupidity of tit for tat scandal  mongering that the GOP gave to America for the past decade.

[geriatrickid]

15 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Considering Trump's very low approval rating, it seems most American's preferred the Obama administration.

Obama will come out as one of the most respected presidents in US history, despite the very vocal hatred of a small minority of Americans, some of whom still hate President Johnson for his civil rights legislation and his war on poverty.

[ilostmypassword]

 

Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence

Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

 

American law enforcement and intelligence agencies intercepted the communications around the same time that they were discovering evidence that Russia was trying to disrupt the presidential election by hacking into the Democratic National Committee, three of the officials said. The intelligence agencies then sought to learn whether the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians on the hacking or other efforts to influence the election.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

 

Edited February 15, 2017 by ilostmypassword

[craigt3365]

15 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

 

Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence

 

Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

 

 

 

American law enforcement and intelligence agencies intercepted the communications around the same time that they were discovering evidence that Russia was trying to disrupt the presidential election by hacking into the Democratic National Committee, three of the officials said. The intelligence agencies then sought to learn whether the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians on the hacking or other efforts to influence the election.

 

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

 

 

That could mean the end of Trump.  From your article:

 

Quote

 

Two days after the election in November, Sergei A. Ryabkov, the deputy Russian foreign minister, said that “there were contacts” during the campaign between Russian officials and Mr. Trump’s team.

“Obviously, we know most of the people from his entourage,” Mr. Ryabkov said in an interview with the Russian Interfax news agency.

 

 

 

[derator01]

Please stick to the topic.  This is not about Obama.

[NanLaew]

18 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

And the most worrisome part of all of this is that Trump fired a very experienced Joint Chief of Staff from his inner circle, and his national security council, and replaced him with Lord Bannon. I mean is this reckless behavior, or am I missing something here?

And Trump also sh!tcanned the Attorney General that had directly advised the White House that Flynn's 'testimony' was suspect.

 

By the same token, the way that his inner sanctum have suddenly turned their backs on Flynn, including an incredulous about-face by Conway, we can assume that there's some pretty severe damage limitation going on... despite Fox News suddenly going all fluffy about Valentine's Day and other puff pieces.