Teen girl, 17, could face murder charge for aborting pregnancy

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Teen girl, 17, could face murder charge for aborting pregnancy

By Coconuts Bangkok 

 

Screenshot from footage showing the girl dumping a bag in the trash that allegedly held the baby’s body.

 

BANGKOK: -- A 17-year-old girl in Bangkok may face a murder charge for aborting her pregnancy at eight months.

 

According to Kannayao police, the minor, whose name was withheld, admitted to aborting her pregnancy by taking “abortion pills” she bought from the internet and dumped the baby’s body in a trash can outside of a Ramintra village on Feb. 19.

 

Police said she was stressed and afraid the baby would not have the support it needed as the baby’s father, Rachanon Pimsupaporn, 20, was recently sent to jail for possessing 11 grams of methamphetamine.

 

Full story: https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/teen-girl-17-face-murder-charge-aborting-pregnancy/

 

-- © Copyright Coconuts Bangkok 2017-02-23

[funandsuninbangkok]

Murder clear and simple

 

 

[giddyup]

What's wrong with leaving the baby outside an orphanage or somewhere public, why kill the baby, especially at 8 months? Sometimes I despair at the lack of common sense in Thai people, as this is not an uncommon occurrence. Haven't these girls heard of the readily available, and cheap, birth control pills?

Edited February 23, 2017 by giddyup

[trianglechoke]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

Police said she was stressed and afraid the baby would not have the support it needed as the baby’s father, Rachanon Pimsupaporn, 20, was recently sent to jail for possessing 11 grams of methamphetamine.

 

I'm not the sort of guy who tells a woman what she can and can not to with HER womb.

[giddyup]

3 minutes ago, trianglechoke said:

I'm not the sort of guy who tells a woman what she can and can not to with HER womb.

Well maybe she should have used protection in the first place instead  of murdering an innocent baby.

[jaltsc]

“Police said she was stressed and afraid the baby would not have the support it needed as the baby’s father, Rachanon Pimsupaporn, 20, was recently sent to jail for possessing 11 grams of methamphetamine.”

 

Understandable...Since, as we all know, 20 year-old Thai men who father children, always act in a responsible manner by supporting their offspring. Unless they are sent to jail. Had this man not gone to jail, I am sure he would have worked two jobs if need be  in order to make a decent life for his child. That is why you never see families of mothers raising their kids.

 

 

 

Edited February 23, 2017 by jaltsc

[giddyup]

7 minutes ago, jaltsc said:

“Police said she was stressed and afraid the baby would not have the support it needed as the baby’s father, Rachanon Pimsupaporn, 20, was recently sent to jail for possessing 11 grams of methamphetamine.”

 

Just what the world needs in parents, a junkie father and a brain dead mother.

[rkidlad]

And this is why abortion should be legal. Not at 8 months, but at certain point. Forget religion and worry about your own body. Put it to the public vote. If you vote no to abortion and win, you can contribute x amount of money to the women who you deny abortion rights to to help raise their kids.

 

I wonder if these sanctimonious pro-lifers agree with the death penalty? 

 

 

[Bluespunk]

3 hours ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Murder clear and simple

 

 

Nothing is clear or simple in a situation like this.

[tbthailand]

15 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Well maybe she should have used protection in the first place instead  of murdering an innocent baby.

why is it always "her fault" with you folks... the kid is just that, a kid - 17 - maybe 16 when she became pregnant. The dad is an adult. Maybe he should have used protection?  Where were his and her parents? This is a family issue.

 

And aborting a baby at 8 months is absolutely nuts, but given the complete and total lack of sex education here, young people like this girl don't really have all that much information.   This is a tragic event that could have easily been avoided.

[giddyup]

4 minutes ago, tbthailand said:

why is it always "her fault" with you folks... the kid is just that, a kid - 17 - maybe 16 when she became pregnant. The dad is an adult. Maybe he should have used protection?  Where were his and her parents? This is a family issue.

 

And aborting a baby at 8 months is absolutely nuts, but given the complete and total lack of sex education here, young people like this girl don't really have all that much information.   This is a tragic event that could have easily been avoided.

Who's left holding the baby, literally? It's the woman. Of course the father carries equal responsibility, but a 20 year old junkie jailbird, yeah right. In this day and age I find it hard to believe that any girl is ignorant about birth control. She knew enough to find abortion pills on the internet.

Edited February 23, 2017 by giddyup

[WhizBang]

15 hours ago, tbthailand said:

why is it always "her fault" with you folks... the kid is just that, a kid - 17 - maybe 16 when she became pregnant. The dad is an adult. Maybe he should have used protection?  Where were his and her parents? This is a family issue.

 

And aborting a baby at 8 months is absolutely nuts, but given the complete and total lack of sex education here, young people like this girl don't really have all that much information.   This is a tragic event that could have easily been avoided.

 

Absolutely agreed.  And trying to charge her with murder is an absolute travesty.  

[funandsuninbangkok]

7 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Nothing is clear or simple in a situation like this.

Certainly if you cannot see this as a clear case of murder, nothing much must get through to the soft matter. 

 

Anyway, carry on but stir clear of the kids OK?

[funandsuninbangkok]

3 minutes ago, WhizBang said:

 

Absolutely agreed.  And trying to charge her with murder is an absolute travesty.  

My twins were born at seven month. Totally perfect humans. Eight months is living human by any standards.

 

murder. Lock her up. Case closed

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Certainly if you cannot see this as a clear case of murder, nothing much must get through to the soft matter. 

 

Anyway, carry on but stir clear of the kids OK?

I can see a lot clearer than you.

 

I neither condone nor condemn because I am not in the position this girl found herself in.

 

17 is a kid in my view.

 

Certainly not an adult.

Edited February 23, 2017 by Bluespunk

[giddyup]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

I can see a lot clearer than you.

 

17 is a kid in my view.

 

Certainly not an adult.

Well, 17 is above the age of consent in many countries, so hardly a kid. Why did she wait until she was 8 months pregnant to abort, she must have noticed that big bulge in her belly well before that.

[Bluespunk]

5 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Well, 17 is above the age of consent in many countries, so hardly a kid. Why did she wait until she was 8 months pregnant to abort, she must have noticed that big bulge in her belly well before that.

As I said, I neither condone nor condemn.

 

I am only thankful I have never been in the situation of having to make the choices this girl [not adult] found herself having to, in a country that does not allow abortion at any stage of development. {Except in certain circumstances I am told}

Edited February 23, 2017 by Bluespunk

[giddyup]

6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

As I said, I neither condone nor condemn.

 

I am only thankful I have never been in the situation of having to make the choices this girl [not adult] found herself having to, in a country that does not allow abortion at any stage of development. {Except in certain circumstances I am told}

Good reason not to get pregnant in the first place, especially by a loser drug dealer who would have never taken on the responsibility of a family. Too many air heads in the world, that's the problem.

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Good reason not to get pregnant in the first place, especially by a loser drug dealer who would have never taken on the responsibility of a family. Too many air heads in the world, that's the problem.

I have no idea about this girls background, maturity, the situation she was in and how she found herself there, what support network she has outside of the man who got her pregnant, so I am not going to judge her.

[robertthesculptor]

As to a woman's body, it is only her body and she alone can make those choices. And to the one who asked why she didn't use protection....why didn't he...in this culture men are often in charge and abusive....one more thing amphetamines can cause problems in the formation of the foetus... This is largely a rt wing point of view care a lot before it is born. Give a shit after it leaves the womb. And by all means murder the hapless woman caught in a terrable situatiion

[DM07]

32 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Good reason not to get pregnant in the first place, especially by a loser drug dealer who would have never taken on the responsibility of a family. Too many air heads in the world, that's the problem.

How is the air, up there on your high horse?

[wirat69]

4 hours ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Murder clear and simple

 

 

Suicide...the child recognised it could not support their father in prison 

[tbthailand]

59 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Who's left holding the baby, literally? It's the woman. Of course the father carries equal responsibility, but a 20 year old junkie jailbird, yeah right. In this day and age I find it hard to believe that any girl is ignorant about birth control. She knew enough to find abortion pills on the internet.

The article doesn't say the dad was a junkie. BTW, did you notice that it was the dad's dad who turned her in? Where was he when his boy got a minor pregnant? Oops... 

 

 

no one on this forum knows the details or the family in this story. But the general case of a young girl getting pregnant and being scared to carry through the pregnancy is not unusual. It's also not unusual for the father of the baby to insist that the baby be aborted. 

 

The source of the problem begins with the prohibitions and the horrible lack of health care/education in Thailand - and Thailand is not alone in that. 

 

[elgordo38]

1 hour ago, giddyup said:

What's wrong with leaving the baby outside an orphanage or somewhere public, why kill the baby, especially at 8 months? Sometimes I despair at the lack of common sense in Thai people, as this is not an uncommon occurrence. Haven't these girls heard of the readily available, and cheap, birth control pills?

Probably not. I can remember many times in my youth when the urge was upon us and things were hot and heavy and she said "Darling I forgot to take my birth control pill this morning" Talk about a shrinking violet. 

[elgordo38]

1 hour ago, jaltsc said:

“Police said she was stressed and afraid the baby would not have the support it needed as the baby’s father, Rachanon Pimsupaporn, 20, was recently sent to jail for possessing 11 grams of methamphetamine.”

 

Understandable...Since, as we all know, 20 year-old Thai men who father children, always act in a responsible manner by supporting their offspring. Unless they are sent to jail. Had this man not gone to jail, I am sure he would have worked two jobs if need be  in order to make a decent life for his child. That is why you never see families of mothers raising their kids.

 

 

 

I think you meant to say families of fathers raising their kids. 

[ajarngreg]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

I can see a lot clearer than you.

 

I neither condone nor condemn because I am not in the position this girl found herself in.

 

17 is a kid in my view.

 

Certainly not an adult.

 

 And growing up in such a great school system without sexual education doesn't make it easier. 

 

    P.S. More and more 13 year old girls are pregnant these days regarding my wife's friend, a nurse. 

 

    I don't know what happened to her. 

Edited February 23, 2017 by ajarngreg

[elgordo38]

1 hour ago, jaltsc said:

“Police said she was stressed and afraid the baby would not have the support it needed as the baby’s father, Rachanon Pimsupaporn, 20, was recently sent to jail for possessing 11 grams of methamphetamine.”

 

Understandable...Since, as we all know, 20 year-old Thai men who father children, always act in a responsible manner by supporting their offspring. Unless they are sent to jail. Had this man not gone to jail, I am sure he would have worked two jobs if need be  in order to make a decent life for his child. That is why you never see families of mothers raising their kids.

 

 

 

I think you meant to say families of fathers raising their kids. I do not notice much compassion for the girl only some older arm chair critics casting stones who have long forgotten what being 20 is like. 20 years of age frightened with an ever bulging belly no one to turn to father in the tank his father hates her and no discussion of where you family stand but I can only imagine. Did she do wrong of course she did wrong but that was overridden by fear. Sometimes I wish men could get pregnant to understand where girls like this are coming from. Women do so much for the nurturing of the species not to mention 9 months of a little human feeding off of their body. I think we should show compassion for this young girl not be like so many countries in the world that would stone her to death. Sometimes even a verbal stoning can be far worse and longer lasting. 

[dick dasterdly]

I'm obviously missing something here, but are there abortion pills that work at 8 months - without seriously harming the mother?

[ajarngreg]

4 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I'm obviously missing something here, but are there abortion pills that work at 8 months - without seriously harming the mother?

 

It does exist. Even when given by accident...

 

        

 

[dunroaming]

The girl needs help and support not being charged with murder.  Clearly she was desperate and had nowhere or nobody to turn to.  If there was a social support group then all this could have been avoided.  She will now live with the guilt for the rest of her life.

 

Abortion in Thailand is illegal, except it isn't.  Go to the family planning clinic and pay the money and these things can be sorted out quite legally.  Hypocrisy at it's finest.