candide Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 5 hours ago, robblok said: You mean like Sondi who is in jail... meanwhile Thaksin. For repeated fraud (interesting to note that people who use fight against corruption as a leitmotiv share the characteristic of being corrupt themselves). Meanwhile, as concerns the charges for occupying the airport and shutting down parliament, the trial against him and other Yellowshirt leaders has hardly moved forward. Additionally, if you do some research, you will find out that he had been in conflict with someone close to Prem.(Not to mention the claims made by his son as to who was behind Sondhi's assassination attempt.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, JAG said: Well there is an easy way to put the support for the UDD/redshirts to the test isn't there..... Yes there is.. they could run in an future election against the PTP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 what support ? They are done and dusted, they lost all support when they murdered innocent kids in a terrorist attack in Trat and then thought it was a good idea to cheer The reds are finished - just a few slow thinkers on here don't see it lolThen there should be no problems in holding an election. In fact, there should have been no problem rerunning the February 2014 blocked election, as that would have been after they lost all support.So could you explain to me, a slow thinker, why an election cannot be held? Go on, tell us oh wise one - live up to your avatar and show a bit of courage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealthychef Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 6 hours ago, robblok said: I doubt that is the reason, the reason is the slow court proceedings, these guys are now convicted for a 2009 event. The 2010 stuff where people like Jatuporn let red shirts bring benzine to burn BKK is still in the motions. There is no need to make up charges these guys thought they were above the law and slowly (real real real slow) the law is catching up. Yes if there is anything that is respected and followed in Thailand, it's the rule of law. snigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 5 hours ago, SOUTHERNSTAR said: And the snipers that shot unarmed nurses and taxi drivers. Study the history of the country to understand why the poor are angry. They have been oppressed for 1000's of years and today is no different. 'SOUTHERNSTAR': Just for the sake of it, maybe you could have a look at (what credible material is to be found about) the History of the region formerly known as Siam, and you might discover that many of the population groups you refer to were not even on this soil an odd few centuries ago, as a lot were forced(!) to move to 'here' as war tribute after military victories of some Siamese Kings of yore, wanting to populate Their territories with strong workforce... Oppressed for 1000's of years, maybe then, but for sure not in Siam/Thailand, so, very different from what you claim... N.B.: By the way, during your research you might find out that there is in reality no such thing as characteristics allowing to identify some individual as 'a Thai', nor even Siamese, from an ethnical point of view. The 'concept' has been created, quite 'recently' in fact, in a (quite successfull) attempt to create a national identity, in a country built on a complex diversity of population groups. P.S.: As for 'the snipers', maybe better not wake up the dark shadows of the men-in-black, as it might, one day, lead to the identification of the one(s) they 'worked' for... But now you started it, I'd like to see all the war weaponry found at Ko Tee's place undergo a ballistic test, and the results compared with the evidence collected from victims of sniper fire in 2010, ...imagine when there would be, is it only, one found positive! Oops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 14 minutes ago, wealthychef said: Yes if there is anything that is respected and followed in Thailand, it's the rule of law. snigger Yes its not respected.. people think they can encourage people to bring fuel to BKK and burn it down and then have parts burn down and not be held accountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealthychef Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 23 minutes ago, robblok said: Yes its not respected.. people think they can encourage people to bring fuel to BKK and burn it down and then have parts burn down and not be held accountable. Among many many other things yes. As long as you know the right people the police will look the other way, is my perception. Surely many red shirts are well connected, making this very difficult. Not so much respect for law here, primarily it's about respect for persons. Again just my limited opinion based on what I see and hear going on in my short time here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, wealthychef said: Among many many other things yes. As long as you know the right people the police will look the other way, is my perception. Surely many red shirts are well connected, making this very difficult. Not so much respect for law here, primarily it's about respect for persons. Again just my limited opinion based on what I see and hear going on in my short time here. The law is a tool.. and only when you have powerful enemies will it be used against you. (unless your a normal person then it will always be used against you). Now when the PTP was in power the court cases against theirs stalled.. people were not investigated they could get away with it. Now the junta is in power the ones that thought they could get away with it get punished now while the junta is untouchable. When an other party gets in power it will protects its own again and use the law against its opponents. That is how it works here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealthychef Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, robblok said: The law is a tool.. and only when you have powerful enemies will it be used against you. (unless your a normal person then it will always be used against you). Now when the PTP was in power the court cases against theirs stalled.. people were not investigated they could get away with it. Now the junta is in power the ones that thought they could get away with it get punished now while the junta is untouchable. When an other party gets in power it will protects its own again and use the law against its opponents. That is how it works here. So what happens to a typical thief if they steal from a common household in Bangkok? Is it vigilante justice? What happens if someone steals my wallet on the street? What keeps thieves at bay here? Muggers? Rapists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, wealthychef said: So what happens to a typical thief if they steal from a common household in Bangkok? Is it vigilante justice? What happens if someone steals my wallet on the street? What keeps thieves at bay here? Muggers? Rapists? The law still works a bit for normal people.. unless powerful people are involved. There is police going after thieves and other criminals. They have no connections. There are of course officers that want money for their effort but not all. If you follow the news they do catch rapists and thieves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKDfella Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I am not going to enter the debate about who did what, that the 'others' did it too. I really don't think it matters anymore. As I mentioned on the other threads concerning the 'red shirts' the authorities went public about their intentions and the ball is now rolling down the hill. Those of us who live in the NE might have some idea of what the local people think. 'That man' abroad being pursued at this time too seems more than a coincidence to me. My guess would be that someone thinks that without leadership now is the time to begin a 'dismantling', a divide and conquer sequence...but a particular phrase comes to mind; Nature abhors a vacuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 33 minutes ago, robblok said: The law still works a bit for normal people.. unless powerful people are involved. There is police going after thieves and other criminals. They have no connections. There are of course officers that want money for their effort but not all. If you follow the news they do catch rapists and thieves. you are wasting your time arguing with these fools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Garvie Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I'm not an expert on Thai politics, as it appears obvious - even to me- are many of this topics contributers. However whatever the rights and wrongs of the Red shirt and Yellow shirt actions in the past, it is clear that the grounds for grievance in the tragically poor and underfunded provinces remains. If it is not tackled it will arise again, red shirts or no red shirts, even the terminally brain dead should be able to recognise that. A couple of points to consider - 1) Thailand is the third most unequal country in world (Credit Suisse Global Wealth Report) Russia is the world’s most unequal country, with 74.5 per cent of the country's wealth controlled by 1 per cent of the people. India is next at 58.4% and then Thailand is the third most unequal country in the world at 58%. 2) http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014/01/thailands-economy (This is from the past but shows a good understanding of the underlying problem) It appears that the bulk of the country's GDP is consumed in Bangkok and the elite want to keep it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 6 hours ago, smedly said: what support ? They are done and dusted, they lost all support when they murdered innocent kids in a terrorist attack in Trat and then thought it was a good idea to cheer The reds are finished - just a few slow thinkers on here don't see it lol Wrong. Very, very wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 23 hours ago, smedly said: we will burn down Bangkok - they are terrorists, an armed organisation responsible for bombings - murders - grenade attacks - intimidation and more For sure some of them are guilty and should be prosecuted , same for certain yellow shirts though and we know they will avoid justice. When blatant discrimination is on show , how can there be reconciliation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod711 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 On 3/22/2017 at 8:42 PM, snoop1130 said: “After working with the UDD in our political fight over the past 10 years, I am well aware of our destiny. Finally, we have two choices – getting killed or being put in jail,” he said. Being put in jail hasn't shut him up, I'm beginning to doubt that killing him would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 23 hours ago, smedly said: what are yellow shirts ? I see only a redshirt organisation active in Thailand, I believe that is what this topic is about, if I could identify any other terrorist organisation in Thailand I would be just as critical of them too. No you wouldn't , semantics and deflection does not disguise your obvious bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 7 hours ago, JAG said: Well there is an easy way to put the support for the UDD/redshirts to the test isn't there..... No no, that cannot happen, because it is certain they will win again. The whole reason for the coup is the fact that according to some influential people those pesky voters continue to vote the wrong people into office. Only the good people should be allowed to scam the tax payers, not some telecom high so that doesn't belong :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 11 hours ago, robblok said: Being angry is no reason to take fuel to BKK and burn down buildings, you hurt other civilians with it.. Your a terrorist when you do that. Freedom fighters are those that do not attack civilians. I don't like your warped sense of what is good.. that is probably why you support those terrorists. I hate all terrorists so do not support the red shirts who practice violence. From a moral perspective I believe those people who only demonise certain groups, yet ignore the violence of other groups , are about as despicable as it is possible to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said: I hate all terrorists so do not support the red shirts who practice violence. From a moral perspective I believe those people who only demonise certain groups, yet ignore the violence of other groups , are about as despicable as it is possible to be. Then you are not talking about me.. I condemned the pop corn man and am happy he is in jail. But there is a lot less violence from the anti government protesters than from the red shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 7 hours ago, smedly said: what support ? They are done and dusted, they lost all support when they murdered innocent kids in a terrorist attack in Trat and then thought it was a good idea to cheer The reds are finished - just a few slow thinkers on here don't see it lol A real slow thinker would suggest that the genie can be put back in the bottle....oh wait 5555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 6 hours ago, candide said: For repeated fraud (interesting to note that people who use fight against corruption as a leitmotiv share the characteristic of being corrupt themselves). Meanwhile, as concerns the charges for occupying the airport and shutting down parliament, the trial against him and other Yellowshirt leaders has hardly moved forward. Additionally, if you do some research, you will find out that he had been in conflict with someone close to Prem.(Not to mention the claims made by his son as to who was behind Sondhi's assassination attempt.) 'candide': What is the link between this 'post' of yours and Jatuporn and the other (already) convicted(!) criminal(!) 'leaders' of these 'red shirts'/UDD? When you're just attempting to deny their guilt, or at least deflect the attention from their despicable actions, this would be well in-line with most of your other 'contributions' here... And a well-known typical reaction from the Shins' TRT/PPP/PTP/...UDD and followers, the: 'we did nothing wrong/we are the majority/we do what we want/we were democratically elected/our way of the highway/the others did (this) so we can do (that), kind of stuff, oh my, what a bunch of 'democrats'! P.S.: And you can write it on your belly, no amnesty for these (terrorist?) criminals, even under the guise of a pseudo-reconciliation, as there can be no such either, ...considering the people you follow remain in denial of any wrongdoing and reject any kind of compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, robblok said: Then you are not talking about me.. I condemned the pop corn man and am happy he is in jail. But there is a lot less violence from the anti government protesters than from the red shirts. Actually I wasn't talking about you but you are a hypocrite none the less . Stop presenting your biased opinions as facts and you might gain some respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 5 hours ago, TKDfella said: I am not going to enter the debate about who did what, that the 'others' did it too. I really don't think it matters anymore. As I mentioned on the other threads concerning the 'red shirts' the authorities went public about their intentions and the ball is now rolling down the hill. Those of us who live in the NE might have some idea of what the local people think. 'That man' abroad being pursued at this time too seems more than a coincidence to me. My guess would be that someone thinks that without leadership now is the time to begin a 'dismantling', a divide and conquer sequence...but a particular phrase comes to mind; Nature abhors a vacuum. 'TKDfella': What 'vacuum'? It sounds as if you would be thinking the Shins' clan is down-and-out already, or soon to be. When that would be 'what the local people think' according to the wide and deep experience of 'those ... who live in the NE', I'd sincerely hope it would be right, but honestly doubt it. The Shins' clan has accumulated a wealth in billions of USD by robbing this country, and was just 'that' away from becoming an, hereditary, dictatorship (when some 'person(s)' higher-up would not have 'disliked' the prospect), I don't think they have abandoned their plan yet though, and they have enough financial means to re-create the 2009/2010 insurrection(!) tenfold (as long as it does not damage the, many, lucrative businesses they own/control), and more hunger for revenge than ever before. So, what 'vacuum'? ...Or would you imply the local people in the NE (and N) could 'abandon' the Shins, their 'hero' Thaksin, even when the money would start raining on them again, as that is what mainly puts them in motion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 27 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said: Actually I wasn't talking about you but you are a hypocrite none the less . Stop presenting your biased opinions as facts and you might gain some respect. No need to gain respect from people like you.. My opinion is as biased as everyone else. Your a fool to think there is no bias in everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, robblok said: No need to gain respect from people like you.. My opinion is as biased as everyone else. Your a fool to think there is no bias in everyone. ' People like you ' I would suggest that a real fool would mouth off such a generalisation just because his pomposity has been pricked. Of course we all have bias , its when we lie about them that the hypocrisy emerges , be honest . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said: ' People like you ' I would suggest that a real fool would mouth off such a generalisation just because his pomposity has been pricked. Of course we all have bias , its when we lie about them that the hypocrisy emerges , be honest . Yes people like you.. who thinks they know it all. I never denied I prefer the yellows over the red.. I however don't condone the killing of people by reds or yellows. I have absolutely no problem that they put the popcorn man in jail as he killed someone. I have no respect for those who go after civilians and or cheer about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said: ' People like you ' I would suggest that a real fool would mouth off such a generalisation just because his pomposity has been pricked. Of course we all have bias , its when we lie about them that the hypocrisy emerges , be honest . Hey Joe, sorry, but I can't call a frog spitting poison: 'cool', please tone down! Actually, it's the person you're insulting who's kind of 'cool', ...not reporting you for abuse. As your late reactions are together personal and plain abusive, and it does not fit into this forum's rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn0000 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 On 22/03/2017 at 9:18 PM, smedly said: we will burn down Bangkok - they are terrorists, an armed organisation responsible for bombings - murders - grenade attacks - intimidation and more Who only wanted an election, they threatened to burn down Bangkok if the people were not offered an election, some would say that is reasonable, it happens the world over, when they win they are liberators, but when they lose they were just terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Shawn0000 said: Who only wanted an election, they threatened to burn down Bangkok if the people were not offered an election, some would say that is reasonable, it happens the world over, when they win they are liberators, but when they lose they were just terrorists. They were offered an election, accepted it and then refused it when someone higher up called them.. guess who.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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