sinclairfr Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Hello, I am renting a condo in 15 residence condo and there is a new juristic management company since February 2017. Ever since they got in, not a single week go by without a new stupid rule. The new one in date : mandatory fingerprint scan access to enter the building. I find this pretty extreme and foolish as I am convinced they are not competent enough to handle such critical data as fingerprints. My question is very simple : is this legal ? Can I oppose this ? Is this ground to cancel my lease contract ? I have asked if using a keycard would still be possible, they were pretty categorical, that will not be allowed. Thanks a lot for your help. P.S : before any troll ask, I am not a criminal worrying about fingerscan, I am just a IT consultant who knows too much about how easy it is to hack into computers, especially when those run on windows XP and used in a unlocked room open 10 hours a day...(by pretty ignorant and obnoxious people at that...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyou Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 It's for good reason, mainly to stop landlords from renting out nightly and weekly on air bnb Before you could pass around lift swipe cards but now you must be registered with condo juristic and get a scan done While you feel inconvenienced , myself as a landlord welcomes this technology.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Funny you should mention this as I just finished setting one up to keep tabs on the cleaning staff where my wife works. The units dont store your fingerprints as such and sends information like user 123 entered at 2pm etc, to a database back-end on a network computer. Its one finger and thats not stored in the computer. Unless its a top end unit, its not much different to the finger scanners that were on laptops a couple of years ago. They may not even connect to a computer, probably just operate an electric lock to open the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinclairfr Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 Thanks for your answer. I beg to differ. I believe that is a violation of my privacy to give a fingerprint to keep on file for entering. Besides, identity theft is a real issue and so easy in countries like Thailand. I should be offered another option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinclairfr Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 Just now, Swiss1960 said: The only downside might be that you have to go downstairs to accept and acknowledge the hookers you invite. Do you really think you are being clever by writing the sentence above? Do I really have a chance to leave? Can I break my lease contract on that ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Lifting a fingerprint on a sticky tape can also open the door ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinclairfr Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 I appreciate all your answers guys. Let's not enter into a debate on bioethics here. My question is simple : is this ground to cancel my lease and get my deposit back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirmud63 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 all depends on what it says on your lease . they arnt all the same you know . and that makes it pointless question . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 ^^^ No... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinclairfr Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 minute ago, sirmud63 said: and that makes it pointless question . You are free to not answer it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 13 minutes ago, sinclairfr said: I appreciate all your answers guys. Let's not enter into a debate on bioethics here. My question is simple : is this ground to cancel my lease and get my deposit back? The short answer would be no, you can really only break a lease if the landlord is in breech of the lease conditions, and even then you may not get back a deposit, unless you go to court etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinclairfr Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: The short answer would be no, you can really only break a lease if the landlord is in breech of the lease conditions, and even then you may not get back a deposit, unless you go to court etc. Thank you so much for a direct answer without any trolling, nonsense sideways or unjustified personal attacks. You just made me regain hope in mankind :-) I am not even joking. I will talk to my landlord and introduce him to a new prospective tenant, that should be enough to get out or this situation. Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 An inflammatory post has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirmud63 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 37 minutes ago, Scott said: An inflammatory post has been removed. damb , i missed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorayme Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 I would welcome a fingerprint scan as it would be a great convenience not to carry a key card and would help keep undocumented people from entering the condo. It should work on the elevators as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seancbk Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 On 3/31/2017 at 8:01 PM, trogers said: Lifting a fingerprint on a sticky tape can also open the door ? Must be a bloody good scanner then. The one in my building recognises my finger about once every 20 attempts. So I don't bother using it, the security guards buzz me in or I grab the spare 'access token' and buzz myself in with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 I have fingerprint entry for getting into my Condo building . Its very convenient and no issues or problems at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny1990 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) next thing will be the iris scan.so then u so not need to finger.? Edited April 4, 2017 by Destiny1990 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFishman1 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 I once worked in a place where they scan eye go fig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 On 3/31/2017 at 7:36 PM, sinclairfr said: Thanks for your answer. I beg to differ. I believe that is a violation of my privacy to give a fingerprint to keep on file for entering. Besides, identity theft is a real issue and so easy in countries like Thailand. I should be offered another option. I guess the obvious option is to move. If you have a wife or g/f would they need to register to. Part of me says this OK and part does not like it. Its the damn Gemini in me I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabula Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 I would be concerned about a lady lifting my print off an object, then dusting it to print or photograph it, so the security device could be tricked. No big secret as they do it in the movies and it's published in books. In fact a thief could probably wipe the last print off and after you leave your print, lift it and dust it to reproduce it. I would send a formal letter, registered mail with tracking, placing Management on notice that if the above schemes are used to steal your personal property, you will take the position that they are legally liable for your damages, plus Attorney fees! That might make them chose another option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 1 hour ago, seancbk said: Must be a bloody good scanner then. The one in my building recognises my finger about once every 20 attempts. So I don't bother using it, the security guards buzz me in or I grab the spare 'access token' and buzz myself in with that. You should register a different finger with deeper grooves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 On 3/31/2017 at 8:00 PM, sinclairfr said: Do you really think you are being clever by writing the sentence above? Do I really have a chance to leave? Can I break my lease contract on that ground? Your a newbie and they are on here so brace yourself. Cheap shoters abound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seancbk Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 1 minute ago, elgordo38 said: You should register a different finger with deeper grooves. Did I forget to mention I used acid on my fingers to obscure my fingerprints many years ago ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, elgordo38 said: Part of me says this OK and part does not like it. What is there not to like about it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 1 minute ago, sanemax said: What is there not to like about it ? Ah laddie your back again with your how come questions. I was having a Forest Gump day thinking there was nothing left in life as a challenge and then you pop up again. How are you my friend?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, Kabula said: I would be concerned about a lady lifting my print off an object, then dusting it to print or photograph it, so the security device could be tricked. No big secret as they do it in the movies and it's published in books. In fact a thief could probably wipe the last print off and after you leave your print, lift it and dust it to reproduce it. I would send a formal letter, registered mail with tracking, placing Management on notice that if the above schemes are used to steal your personal property, you will take the position that they are legally liable for your damages, plus Attorney fees! That might make them chose another option. The finger scanner is only used to enter the building, you still need a key to get into your room . There would reallly be no need to go through all that trouble to replicate a finger print on the scanner and photo copy it and use that to gain entrance , all you would need to do would be to ask someone to let you in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, seancbk said: Did I forget to mention I used acid on my fingers to obscure my fingerprints many years ago ;-) Does it make the fingertips more sensitive and stimulating when you wink wink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny1990 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 i would think changes like these need to be voted for first by the residents they should decide they want such a system yes or no... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 There really is nothing to be concerned about guys . This how it works, nothing to be scared of Place your finger on the scanner and the door opens, then go inside the building Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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