Is there a penalty for the house owner not reporting me (a foreigner) staying with them until several weeks later? 

 

I have to do a 90 day report on my Non O in a new province (different from my normal Bangkok home address where I have a Yellow book). Now I am staying with the wife's parents and we had to unexpectedly extend our stay at the parents home to help them during their period of ill health. Normally when we visit them (often) I don't report the change of address from Bangkok but this time we will have to to get the 90 day report done outside Bangkok and perhaps again in another 90 days. Later we will go back to Bangkok.

 

I've seen the house owner forms the owner needs to fill in to report my stay, couldn't they just report a more recent date of my arrival to avoid any penalty (if there is one) on their part?

The fine in Chiang Mai is 1600 Thb, and they enforce it,

regards worgeordie

Thanks - can you/anyone explain how the fine is calculated?

7 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

Thanks - can you/anyone explain how the fine is calculated?

The max fine for an individual is 2000 baht. There is no calculation since their is no daily fine. How much is the fine will be depends upon the office it is reported to.

You will need to formally change your address to do the 90 day report.

Since immigration will not be aware of your presence at the residence the TM30 form could be date on the same day it is done.

 

5 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Since immigration will not be aware of your presence at the residence the TM30 form could be date on the same day it is done.

Interesting. So the home owner has been told of this and since written date of my 90 day report application as a day of arrival on the TM30 form to avoid a penalty? Seems too easy?

 

* When I was given the TM30 form by Imm officer as a supplement to complete for my 90 day report to proceed later without home owner present they verbally asked me how long I had been in the province and I said more than 24 hours not realizing why they were asking.  When they said a fine would need paying by home owner who was late reporting it seemed a rather crappy approach to getting the info for which the home owner is responsible? Not sure if they will follow up now the home owner has written down date that avoids a penalty.

 

 

I know I know. But why not fly back to Bangkok do the report as per normal then go back to the outlaws house ?

 

2 minutes ago, berybert said:

But why not fly back to Bangkok do the report as per normal then go back to the outlaws house ?

 

Because it is a complete waste of time and cost?

2 hours ago, WorriedNoodle said:

Because it is a complete waste of time and cost?

Why not post it in to bkk

2 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

Why not post it in to bkk

Post is a more sensible option than flying there of course, but the return mail has to go to an address in Bangkok (I think?) and there will be no one there to pick it up. I would need post reply for next 90 day for which I might well not have returned to Bangkok in time for as my stay outside will be prolonged. 

41 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

Post is a more sensible option than flying there of course, but the return mail has to go to an address in Bangkok (I think?) and there will be no one there to pick it up. I would need post reply for next 90 day for which I might well not have returned to Bangkok in time for as my stay outside will be prolonged. 

You would know the date of next 90 day report. If your still away after the 90 days post it in anyway saying you have lost the slip.even. Maybe ubonejoe would know if return address can be another address. Is there not someone to pick up the post at your address and post it onto you. 90 days will give you breathing space and of someone is not looking after your place in bkk it might be wise to return for a few days anyway. Then you could pick up your 90 day slip.

The possessor of the house must file form T.M30 within 24h.

If you wish to do your 90 day report in another province you should have filled a TM28 form when moving.

Seems to be two fines to pay.

27 minutes ago, PoorSucker said:

should have filled a TM28 form when moving. 

Seems to be two fines to pay.

Well it was zero fines in the end.

 

My 90 day report (TM47) was on time. Immigration simply asked me to give them a completed TM30 by house owner in new province, which house owner dated my arrival within 24 hours of submission. The TM28 form was never mentioned.

 

Regarding the TM28 I am not sure why this is needed?? In the Thailand Immigration Act Chapter 4 (posted at the immigration office and on their web site) it says foreigners who move provinces should report to the police station within 24 hours? Nothing about reporting to immigration or a TM28? Maybe this is why immigration office only wanted a TM30 when I went?

Jomtien were going to fine me 4500 baht for not doing a TM28 for not reporting within 24 hours after moving from a rented Condo to a rented house, after much debate, 2/3 hours they let me off.

 

21 hours ago, berybert said:

I know I know. But why not fly back to Bangkok do the report as per normal then go back to the outlaws house ?

 

Why not file by postal mail, get someone to mail from BKK

36 minutes ago, chingching said:

Why not file by postal mail, get someone to mail from BKK

This may work for others but two concerns:

1. Needs a mail forwarding party in BKK which I don't have - others may have.

2. Means avoiding reporting address change at all, keeps it simple but is breaking the Immigration Law act that requires address moves of over 24 hours stay reported?

1 hour ago, WorriedNoodle said:

This may work for others but two concerns:

1. Needs a mail forwarding party in BKK which I don't have - others may have.

2. Means avoiding reporting address change at all, keeps it simple but is breaking the Immigration Law act that requires address moves of over 24 hours stay reported?

Seems like you have sorted it now good.

No 2 above not breaking any laws as such you are on holiday away from your home address as long as tm 30 is filed by house master to say your there you are breaking no laws. Nothing anywhere to say you cant be on holiday for 6/9months

21 hours ago, PoorSucker said:

The possessor of the house must file form T.M30 within 24h.

If you wish to do your 90 day report in another province you should have filled a TM28 form when moving.

Seems to be two fines to pay.

Re the TM 28. I went to my local office to submit a TM28, but the officer did not know what one was ( this was in a major expat destination ) and became very confrontational when I said it was government requirement. In the end I just left and nothing was said at my next 90 days report.

It's difficult to obey the rules when the officials don't know what they are and start abusing the expat for trying to do the right thing.

 

In the village we went to do a TM30, but they didn't know what one was. They just wrote my details in their big book.

 

2 hours ago, jeab1980 said:

No 2 above not breaking any laws as such you are on holiday away from your home address as long as tm 30 is filed by house master to say your there you are breaking no laws. Nothing anywhere to say you cant be on holiday for 6/9months

Thanks for feedback. Shouldn't the TM28 also be completed? The Imm Officer never mentioned it in this incident. When would a TM28 be needed?

3 hours ago, WorriedNoodle said:

Thanks for feedback. Shouldn't the TM28 also be completed? The Imm Officer never mentioned it in this incident. When would a TM28 be needed?

A tm 28 is a change of address form sunmitted by me ot you to tell immigration in the new area or province we are now living in permanently.  You are on holiday so you dont have to you can be on holiday as long as you want to be. If a tm 30 is submitted by house master to say you are staying there thats all thats needed. Remembering of course when you return home to be on the safe side the housemaster reports you staying there again. So in effect you havent moved address just been on holiday.

Edited May 26, 20179 yr by jeab1980