I mostly rent 1 month condo's and travel around. What the condo asks is really different every time.

Sometimes just a creditcard, sometimes just driving license, other time, 2 contracts and a copy of id.

 

This time they made some half/low quality copy of my id and spelling mistakes on the papers they filled out (they send them to immigration) and also copied my visa page for the first time.

 

Now I wonder, will this spelling mistakes that they wrote down, or the half copy of my id cause some trouble next time I visit? Or even in my current stay? Should I ask them to correct the spelling mistakes?

 

Its already to late I guess.

I guess the rigor of the compliance on the part of condo management differs from place to place.  If you were to look at the form that gets mailed into report your stay you would see why they might be asking for the information.  For example, there is a question of Visa Type on the form.  Don't know if this is a mandatory field on the form or not, but it's there.  Some places are able to do the report online.  Some people have reported that they are able to use a Thai driver's license in lieu of presenting their passport when they stay at a hotel.  So it's seems likely to me there's not much consistency in how (or even whether) your stay is reported from place to place.

However, I don't think I would be concerned about any errors made.  You are responsible for providing the correct information, but condo management is responsible for any mistakes they have made in doing the report, not you.  This wouldn't cause me a lot of worry if you are here on 30 day visa exempt entries or even on tourist visas.  If you don't conduct any business at local Thai Immigration offices, for example apply for extensions of stay, I don't see how it would ever be a problem for you.  If you are not here on a long stay visa or a long term extension of stay and have to report your address to immigration every 90 days, then I don't think any mistakes made on a TM 30 submitted by your condo management would cause any problems for you.

Don't worry, they will make mistakes entering your details down at immigration.

 

With luck it will correct the mistakes your condo made rather than compound them.

You are assuming that anybody ever reads the document. Should, by chance, they ever read one; how many of the employees they have possess even a rudimentary knowledge of written English?

Since I never see the huge banks of filing cabinets at their offices that would be necessary to house the mountains of paperwork they generate, where does it all go? With their attempts to move online will anybody ever check unless there is a flag? - doubt it.

The rule here is cover your backside by following procedure, however outdated, then sit back and do as little as possible.

We religiously report all our hotel guests to immigration within 24 hours. On holiday last year our staff sent 2 weeks documents all completely wrongly filled in; when I took this up with an official and offered to retrospectively correct the documents I was told not to bother as they don't read them.

 

Worry not.

12 hours ago, skatewash said:

I guess the rigor of the compliance on the part of condo management differs from place to place.  If you were to look at the form that gets mailed into report your stay you would see why they might be asking for the information.  For example, there is a question of Visa Type on the form.  Don't know if this is a mandatory field on the form or not, but it's there.  Some places are able to do the report online.  Some people have reported that they are able to use a Thai driver's license in lieu of presenting their passport when they stay at a hotel.  So it's seems likely to me there's not much consistency in how (or even whether) your stay is reported from place to place.

However, I don't think I would be concerned about any errors made.  You are responsible for providing the correct information, but condo management is responsible for any mistakes they have made in doing the report, not you.  This wouldn't cause me a lot of worry if you are here on 30 day visa exempt entries or even on tourist visas.  If you don't conduct any business at local Thai Immigration offices, for example apply for extensions of stay, I don't see how it would ever be a problem for you.  If you are not here on a long stay visa or a long term extension of stay and have to report your address to immigration every 90 days, then I don't think any mistakes made on a TM 30 submitted by your condo management would cause any problems for you.

If they're even doing the TM30 (as they're required to do), I think you're ahead of the game, and shouldn't have anything to worry about, even if you're on a visa exempt or tourist visa entry and will be wanting a 30d extension.  In that latter case, you'll probably want the TM30 receipt  - or at least a photocopy - they will have received.

 

The trick is having an awareness that the whole TM30 business was in fact accomplished at all if staying in a rented condo.  Jomtien has been known to enforce the reqt to report within 24hrs of arrival with a fine, even against renters themselves when the owners don't do it..  Not a big fine, and shouldn't come up at all if not applying for the 30d extension or conducting some other business at that Imm. Office.  Last I heard, Bangkok/Chaeng Wattana NOT concerning themselves with it, but if you're staying anywhere in Chonburi, you have to use the office in Jomtien.

2 hours ago, hawker9000 said:

If they're even doing the TM30 (as they're required to do), I think you're ahead of the game...

 

A condominium is not a hotel and the condominium management has no legal obligation to submit the TM.30 for foreigners arriving to stay in the condominium building.

1 hour ago, Maestro said:

 

A condominium is not a hotel and the condominium management has no legal obligation to submit the TM.30 for foreigners arriving to stay in the condominium building.

This is correct - condominium management has no obligation, however condominium owners do.  From the Immigration website:

 

"House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national.  If there is no immigration office in the province or locality of the respective house or hotel, the notification is made to the local police station. In Bangkok the notification is made to the Immigration Bureau. The notification of residence of foreign nationals is made by the manager of licensed hotels according to the hotel act, owners of guesthouses, mansions, apartments and rented houses using the form TM. 30."

16 minutes ago, KamnanT said:

This is correct - condominium management has no obligation, however condominium owners do.  From the Immigration website:

 

"House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national.  If there is no immigration office in the province or locality of the respective house or hotel, the notification is made to the local police station. In Bangkok the notification is made to the Immigration Bureau. The notification of residence of foreign nationals is made by the manager of licensed hotels according to the hotel act, owners of guesthouses, mansions, apartments and rented houses using the form TM. 30."

So if it's on a permanent basis (not temporary) then the condo owner doesn't have to based on that info :)

10 minutes ago, bbi1 said:

So if it's on a permanent basis (not temporary) then the condo owner doesn't have to based on that info :)

Nor, it would appear, is there an obligation to report foreign nationals who stay in the Kingdom illegally.  I guess there's a different form for that.

 

Seriously though, I suppose that it is technically impossible to "accommodate foreign nationals" on a permanent basis unless they are permanent residents - and indeed, no TM 30 reporting is required for permanent residents.

2 hours ago, bbi1 said:

So if it's on a permanent basis (not temporary) then the condo owner doesn't have to based on that info :)

 

For a rented condominium unit, either the house-master, the owner or the possessor must make the notification of arrival of a foreigner, according to section 38.

...no TM 30 reporting is required for permanent residents.

That's interesting. Since section 38 mentions no exceptions, the exception for permanent residents (PR), this exception could therefore be in a Ministerial Regulation issued under the authority of the Immigration Act. Can somebody who manages a hotel or guest house confirm that they have instructions from immigration not to put PR holders on the TM.30?

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Nor, it would appear, is there an obligation to report foreign nationals who stay in the Kingdom illegally.  I guess there's a different form for that...

There are many ways for a foreigner to be in Thailand illegally and the person submitting the TM.30 could not possibly detect all. However, one of the many pieces of information required for every foreigner on the TM.30 makes it easy for immigration, respectively for their computers, to filter out the foreigners who had no valid permission to stay on the date of arrival at the dwelling, hotel or guest house. The submitter of the TM.30 has no obligation to point them out.


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16 hours ago, Maestro said:

 

A condominium is not a hotel and the condominium management has no legal obligation to submit the TM.30 for foreigners arriving to stay in the condominium building.

Since they're contracted to act as legal agent for the owner, they in fact do if they're actually renting out the unit, collecting the rents, etc.  But if having nothing to do with the rental(s), and someone else is doing that on the owner's behalf, then you are correct and it is the "someone else" who is responsible.

 

 

However, it's absurd to put the hapless renter in the middle of this regardless, which is why tourists should be avoiding condo rentals period unless they both have an understanding of the situation and are willing to deal with it.

Edited May 30, 20179 yr by hawker9000
Clarification

20 hours ago, hawker9000 said:

Jomtien has been known to enforce the reqt to report within 24hrs of arrival with a fine, even against renters themselves when the owners don't do it

ok now i am confused; who is being fined ? the visitor/resident or management of the residence ?