Typical thai incomes

[gentlemanjackdarby]

2 hours ago, Kim1950 said:

You wrote. "4th worlders refers to people who are socially backward, with alcohol / drug problems, violent, no education, unemployed, unwilling to grab the opportunities society offers them - and it's hereditary!". I might add history is Fundamental. Maybe your depth of history is a Facebook Timeline. Your syntax without context is right from the Heinrich Luitpold Himmler Playbook. "it's hereditary"

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=YvFDBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA37&dq=himmler+cross-eyed+quote&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiniI7QjK_VAhWDOj4KHcajBMoQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=himmler cross-eyed quote&f=false

 

So you or your culture changes the term , then it was "slave like souls". If anything you suffer from ignorance. You note symptoms to problems, not the problem, nor any solution. Humanity has not evolved without hope, redemption, and the will to help each other. Labels matter. Ask any ethnic minority. So what is your solution.

 

And while we are on the topic, if anyone in a professional capacity in US used a term like "4th worlders ", they more than likely would be out of work or terminated from employment.

Once again, RIF - Reading is Fundamental!

 

It was "oldhippy" that wrote the original post to which I simply replied.

 

And since you seem to want to expand the roster of things that are fundamental, let's add to it "not state conclusions from facts which are not in evidence".

 

Just like "oldhippy's" post which was, well, "oldhippy's" and not mine, nowhere have I made any mention of my knowledge, or lack thereof, of history.

 

And it seems to be only you who has mentioned the topic of "professional capacity" but since you brought it up, I do hold a professional license and work in a professional capacity the U.S. and the idea that anyone in my field, or for that matter an overwhelming majority of licensed professional fields, would be "out of work or terminated from employment" for using a clever adjective is so far beyond laughable that it's unthinkable. 

[oldhippy]

So I am blamed for describing the problems of the fourth world?

Is it better to deny the facts?

 

I am blamed for not offering solutions?

You overestimate my capabilities.

 

But it sounds as if Kim has the answers to the problem.

I am interested, let's hear it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Kim1950]

12 hours ago, oldhippy said:

So I am blamed for describing the problems of the fourth world?

 

The term Fourth World first came into wide use in 1974 with the publication of Shuswap Chief George Manuel's: The Fourth World: An Indian Reality. Manuel thought of the Fourth World as the "indigenous peoples descended from a country's aboriginal population and who today are completely or partly deprived of the right to their own territories and its riches. "

 

4th Worlders has nothing It has to do with drug addicts, alcoholics, criminals, a particular race, or uneducated people, so I confess, I don't understand your discussion. Unless you are inferring that indigenous peoples have been deprived of their rights because they are drug addicts, alcoholics, criminals, a particular race or uneducated people. If anything, they have been deprived of their rights precisely because that's how they have been self-servingly defined by the people who have taken their rights.

 

[oldhippy]

Just now, Kim1950 said:

The term Fourth World first came into wide use in 1974 with the publication of Shuswap Chief George Manuel's: The Fourth World: An Indian Reality. Manuel thought of the Fourth World as the "indigenous peoples descended from a country's aboriginal population and who today are completely or partly deprived of the right to their own territories and its riches. "

 

4th Worlders has nothing It has to do with drug addicts, alcoholics, criminals, a particular race, or uneducated people, so I confess, I don't understand your discussion. Unless you are inferring that indigenous peoples have been deprived of their rights because they are drug addicts, alcoholics, criminals, a particular race or uneducated people. If anything, they have been deprived of their rights precisely because that's how they have been self-servingly defined by the people who have taken their rights.

 

You continue to argue against what you think that I think.

I do not think what you think that I think.

I do not think about Himmler or Indians.

Think about it.

 

[Pilotman]

Two of my Brother In Laws work in Taiwan and send money home to keep their families and to  save for the future.  They work 6 days a week, 10 hour shifts  in an Aluminium  plant and make 30,000 Bhat a month.  It's hard and dangerous work on a 3 year contract. They have to  pay for food  and accommodation  out of that, so end up with around 20,000 pm.  They wouldn't get anywhere close to that in  Issan, not without specialist skills.   

[gentlemanjackdarby]

14 minutes ago, Kim1950 said:

The term Fourth World first came into wide use in 1974 with the publication of Shuswap Chief George Manuel's: The Fourth World: An Indian Reality. Manuel thought of the Fourth World as the "indigenous peoples descended from a country's aboriginal population and who today are completely or partly deprived of the right to their own territories and its riches. "

 

4th Worlders has nothing It has to do with drug addicts, alcoholics, criminals, a particular race, or uneducated people, so I confess, I don't understand your discussion. Unless you are inferring that indigenous peoples have been deprived of their rights because they are drug addicts, alcoholics, criminals, a particular race or uneducated people. If anything, they have been deprived of their rights precisely because that's how they have been self-servingly defined by the people who have taken their rights.

 

For those of us for whom RIF, we understand and accept that the meaning of words and the usage of language changes with the passage of time as can it's usage within different countries or (sub) cultures. 

 

I see no reason why it should be any different for the term "4th worlder".

[gentlemanjackdarby]

13 hours ago, oldhippy said:

So I am blamed for describing the problems of the fourth world?

Is it better to deny the facts?

 

I am blamed for not offering solutions?

You overestimate my capabilities.

 

But it sounds as if Kim has the answers to the problem.

I am interested, let's hear it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hear! Hear!

[jeab1980]

7 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

Two of my Brother In Laws work in Taiwan and send money home to keep their families and to  save for the future.  They work 6 days a week, 10 hour shifts  in an Aluminium  plant and make 30,000 Bhat a month.  It's hard and dangerous work on a 3 year contract. They have to  pay for food  and accommodation  out of that, so end up with around 20,000 pm.  They wouldn't get anywhere close to that in  Issan, not without specialist skills.   

Have a brother in law working tbere too. Small world. There are 4 mates who rent a very small room between them. 2 on night shift 2 on day hot bed routine. Saves them a fortune. They have diffrent days off so its never a problem. Wonder if they know each other?

[oldhippy]

26 minutes ago, Kim1950 said:

The term Fourth World first came into wide use in 1974 with the publication of Shuswap Chief George Manuel's: The Fourth World: An Indian Reality. Manuel thought of the Fourth World as the "indigenous peoples descended from a country's aboriginal population and who today are completely or partly deprived of the right to their own territories and its riches. "

 

4th Worlders has nothing It has to do with drug addicts, alcoholics, criminals, a particular race, or uneducated people, so I confess, I don't understand your discussion. Unless you are inferring that indigenous peoples have been deprived of their rights because they are drug addicts, alcoholics, criminals, a particular race or uneducated people. If anything, they have been deprived of their rights precisely because that's how they have been self-servingly defined by the people who have taken their rights.

 

Ah! You googled it and found the wikipedia page from which you quote (without mentioning the source).

 

Now google again.

This time google "vierde wereld"- that is dutch for fourth world.

After all, I was referring to a Belgian expression.

 

Again you will arrive at the wikipedia article.

It is in Dutch, but click "translate page".

To your amazement you will find that there is

   - an interparliamentary working group for the fourth world

   - an international anti poverty organization, called Fourth World

   - the Fourth World Syndicate, active in Flanders

 

None of the above have links with Himmler.

Speaking more than 1 language, and growing up in a multicultural country can be beneficial, try it.

Also it helps to not think that you know what others think.

 

 

 

[Pilotman]

25 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

Have a brother in law working tbere too. Small world. There are 4 mates who rent a very small room between them. 2 on night shift 2 on day hot bed routine. Saves them a fortune. They have diffrent days off so its never a problem. Wonder if they know each other?

Probably got the jobs through the same agent. 

[Kim1950]

6 minutes ago, gentlemanjackdarby said:

Hear! Hear!

Hear! Hear!, so I will concede you have coined the colloquial term "4th Worlders" who are alcoholics, criminals, a particular race, lazy, or uneducated people -- and it's hereditary" I also understand you see no connection to the use of this term in the suppression of people's rights. However, I won't concede the use of this biased and simple term does lead and can justify to the denial of people's rights. For example: Pre Germany WII, or America's Manifest Destiny and in these cases there were also the mass following of deniers. It would seem you like to win, be right, be better read. And, so you are. 

[oldhippy]

10 minutes ago, Kim1950 said:

Hear! Hear!, so I will concede you have coined the colloquial term "4th Worlders" who are alcoholics, criminals, a particular race, lazy, or uneducated people -- and it's hereditary" I also understand you see no connection to the use of this term in the suppression of people's rights. However, I won't concede the use of this biased and simple term does lead and can justify to the denial of people's rights. For example: Pre Germany WII, or America's Manifest Destiny and in these cases there were also the mass following of deniers. It would seem you like to win, be right, be better read. And, so you are. 

So you did not read post 222?

 

[Kim1950]

27 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

So you did not read post 222?

 

Yes, you are referring to a  Fourth World Anti-Poverty Organization, not this colloquial or cultural term "4th Worlders" , who are being defined as alcoholics, criminals, a particular race, lazy, or uneducated people -- and it's hereditary. So what, I didn't reference Wikileaks, it was implied and in context. How modest, you know so much. I am not dropping my resume, experience, or history on you. Your definiton "4th Worlders" is used to suppress people like Indians driven off their land by America's Manifest Destiny, or Himmler's  "slave like souls",  simply to deny people's rights. 

 

I am only on this site because I am thinking about retirement in Thailand. I lived there years back, though have traveled all over the world. It seemed like a good place, but with everyday it seems more difficult and unwelcome. It's "No Country For Old Men". We have drifted way off the topic of this forum. Peace. So it goes. 

[Kim1950]

19 hours ago, gentlemanjackdarby said:

Once again, RIF - Reading is Fundamental!

 

It was "oldhippy" that wrote the original post to which I simply replied.

 

And since you seem to want to expand the roster of things that are fundamental, let's add to it "not state conclusions from facts which are not in evidence".

 

Just like "oldhippy's" post which was, well, "oldhippy's" and not mine, nowhere have I made any mention of my knowledge, or lack thereof, of history.

 

And it seems to be only you who has mentioned the topic of "professional capacity" but since you brought it up, I do hold a professional license and work in a professional capacity the U.S. and the idea that anyone in my field, or for that matter an overwhelming majority of licensed professional fields, would be "out of work or terminated from employment" for using a clever adjective is so far beyond laughable that it's unthinkable. 

You are a phoney,  maybe among unprofessional colleagues you might call people "4th worlders" as referring to people who are socially backward, with alcohol / drug problems, violent, no education, unemployed, unwilling to grab the opportunities society offers them - and it's hereditary. But, not in professional capacity or formal dissertation other than how prejudicial the term is to people. You won't find it's use in any clinical material or training.  And, it's not a clever adjective. it's demeaning, prejudicial, sweepingly generalized, sophomoric, and of no redeeming value. If you do have a license, it says plenty about your profession and you. You are so clever and professional, you don't even imagine how offending the term is to some people. That's why you are a phoney. By.

[sunny17]

And the battle rages on.....

 

I started the thread to ask about the incomes of a third "second world" country, but now the debate has morphed into matters of the "fourth world"

[Kim1950]

16 minutes ago, sunny17 said:

And the battle rages on.....

 

I started the thread to ask about the incomes of a third "second world" country, but now the debate has morphed into matters of the "fourth world"

The battle is over. The problems of the 4th World are because according the 'know-it-alls' the "4th worlders" are people who are socially backward with alcohol / drug problems, violent, no education, unemployed, unwilling to grab the opportunities society offers them - and it's hereditary. So to them we are to assume the peoples of the third world are only a slight more advanced along the evolutionary lines. I give up on them, like the Old World British Imperialists. 

[gentlemanjackdarby]

3 hours ago, Kim1950 said:

You are a phoney,  maybe among unprofessional colleagues you might call people "4th worlders" as referring to people who are socially backward, with alcohol / drug problems, violent, no education, unemployed, unwilling to grab the opportunities society offers them - and it's hereditary. But, not in professional capacity or formal dissertation other than how prejudicial the term is to people. You won't find it's use in any clinical material or training.  And, it's not a clever adjective. it's demeaning, prejudicial, sweepingly generalized, sophomoric, and of no redeeming value. If you do have a license, it says plenty about your profession and you. You are so clever and professional, you don't even imagine how offending the term is to some people. That's why you are a phoney. By.

Yep, nothing like a good old ad hominem attack to demonstrate one's intellect, wit, and erudition as well as the validity of one's argument.

[bwpage3]

On 7/26/2017 at 9:48 PM, daphnia88 said:

Excuse me, but who are you to tell me what my standard of living should be? I'm not some 65 year old pensioner so don't put me in that drawer. I'm young and am just starting to live my life. And no, I do NOT want an iPhone. I do NOT want a prostitute for every night. I do NOT want soapy massages. Even if I could afford them, I do NOT want them. Why should I want something that 5 million other people have? I'm not part of the flock. Call me a hipster, but I'm not going to throw away money for something I absolutely loathe. You are an example of a sad, old fart who cannot afford the same kind of lifestyle you want to afford in your home country, hence you move to Thailand where the young girls (who could be your daughter) come cheap and AIDS come even cheaper... 

 

Sad but true. 

What a POS and complete phony you are. Hipster? In Thailand? You have to be joking.

 

You cannot throw away money you do not have now can you?

 

Even if you could afford, the fact is you cannot.

 

How did you happen to chose Thailand out of 100,000,000 other places if you loathe so many things people move to Thailand for?

 

You are a hypocrite that contradicts himself. The fact is you have NO choice when you cannot afford things and you can claim to loathe all you want when the simple fact is you cannot afford it.

 

Your young and just starting to live your life with nothing. How much sense does that make?

 

When you are 65 you won't have a pension. Plan to spend the rest of your life living on 20,000 baht a month by yourself.

 

The only person you are kidding is yourself.

 

There are much cheaper places than Thailand, why did you move to Thailand if you loathe so much?

 

PS Not a sad old fart and don't live in Thailand. So yes I can afford quite a lot and make no bones about it.

 

I guess if Ron Wood can marry a girl 40 years his junior and be accepted, don't see what your problem is there?

 

Maybe the fact you are too poor?

 

 

[freethinker]

Sales girl for Lacoste earned 40k baht a month in salary + commissions. She had 10 years experience though. She quit the job after the pressures of an even increasing budget got to her. (the life of young pretty sales girls can involve some pretty shady shit even in BKK) She now does massages (and extras) in Pattaya and is much more content with life though she sometimes questions why she quit. I knew her from her Lacoste days so i know she was for real. 

 

 

 

[oldhippy]

1 minute ago, freethinker said:

Sales girl for Lacoste earned 40k baht a month in salary + commissions. She had 10 years experience though. She quit the job after the pressures of an even increasing budget got to her. (the life of young pretty sales girls can involve some pretty shady shit even in BKK) She now does massages (and extras) in Pattaya and is much more content with life though she sometimes questions why she quit. I knew her from her Lacoste days so i know she was for real. 

 

 

 

crock!

 

[freethinker]

2 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

crock!

 

Perhaps. 

[oldhippy]

1 minute ago, freethinker said:

Perhaps. 

555

maybe I need to explain....

 

1/ crock = australian slang

2/ lacoste = crock logo

 

Combine 1 and 2 with some beer, and we have a joke! (or an attempt to a joke).

Maybe I overdid the beer part.

[spidermike007]

On 7/8/2017 at 8:28 AM, shady86 said:

https://adecco.co.th/salary-guide

 

Though highly detailed, a rather ridiculous and cumbersome chart, for the casual observer. We want easy answers please.

[zzaa09]

On 8/9/2017 at 5:00 AM, oldhippy said:

crock!

 

Well.....someone has to do it.

 

And fits in nicely here, anyway - don't it?