New law applicable in Thaksin cases: Wissanu

[stephen tracy]

"applicable" to Thaksin case?  That's what it was designed for from the start.  It certainly will not apply to Mr  Red Bull.

[Grubster]

19 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

To my knowledge Thailand must have been the only country in the world where court cases couldn't proceed in absence of the defendants.

 

I can smell already who are protesting to this. Hint: It aren't the farmers.

I'm not sure this law covers the private sector, couldn't put the Red Bull buddy in that predicament could we.

[stephen tracy]

22 hours ago, seajae said:

when people run away from justice to avoid being charged or locked up they deserve everything that happens to them, if he had of returned to Thailand he could have defended himself in court but he refuses because he knows he is guilty. Its easier for him to wait till the time limits expire and pay his party and red scum to do his dirty work for him trying to get him pardoned, the man personifies cowardice and he just lets everyone else take the fall for him

I'm not a so-called red-shirt but your use of the word "scum" to describe an enormous swathe of the population of Thailand speaks volumes about your total inability to view the situation impartially.  It makes one wonder about the mindset and motives of foreigners in Thailand who whole-heatedly embrace one side of the political divide. I've also noticed that pro-junta (anti-Thaksin, whatever) TV members seem incapable of accepting that just because one does not agree with a military regime installed (Yes, installed) by the powers that be to protect their wealth and status, is all of a sudden a red-shirt/Thaksin supporter.  Serious lack of reflection going in here.

[stephen tracy]

4 hours ago, tomwct said:

Don't worry about me! I am not 'lawless"! I respect laws even in Thailand. If Thaksin is tried and convicted under these laws then

he deserves it because he didn't respect Thai Laws! In fact, he probably doesn't believe he broke the law in any of his schemes and endeavors.

"he didn't respect Thai Laws! In fact, he probably doesn't believe he broke the law in any of his schemes and endeavors." Since when has Prayuth, the military and the obscenely wealthy elite they protect (and upon whose continuing existence the likes of Prayuth and his little coterie of "generals" (laughable)  respected Thai law?  Why should anyone, for that matter,  respect Thai law in it's current state? Even those meant to enforce it (police/judiciary) don't respect it.  When it suits them they treat it with utter contempt, and as a result people suffer. At least those without money

[chainarong]

23 hours ago, seajae said:

when people run away from justice to avoid being charged or locked up they deserve everything that happens to them, if he had of returned to Thailand he could have defended himself in court but he refuses because he knows he is guilty. Its easier for him to wait till the time limits expire and pay his party and red scum to do his dirty work for him trying to get him pardoned, the man personifies cowardice and he just lets everyone else take the fall for him

I think the 7 year statue of limitations has expired. Big "T" would still be arrested if he came back for human rights abuse, which the Junta would gladly do , for starters, there was a whole heap of investigations going on, if all eventuated he'd be put away for some long time. 

[metisdead]

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[Baerboxer]

On 7/21/2017 at 4:56 PM, Eric Loh said:

I think the guilty verdict is already baked in but the junta will put up a show. 

 

Let's take an example Eric. The Krungthai Bank fraud. Thaksin was the number 1 defendant. The case can't proceed with him as he has absconded and won't appear in court to face the charges. But he does still, even whilst a fugitive, instruct his lawyers to file defamation charges against others. 

In the Krungthai case, other defendants have been tried, found guilty and received lengthy prison sentences. Do you think it fair, reasonable, and good that billionaire Thakisn can avoid this case and sit out the statute of limitations?

 

Not just Thaksin. He's a high profile example. But all who chose to avoid that court appearance and run will now know that proceedings can commence without them. 

 

 

Edited July 22, 2017 by Baerboxer

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Thaksin a globalist LOL.

 

"The UN is not my father"

 

Not when they say things he doesn't like. But Carlyle Group, now their different.

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Human rights abuse?

 

Like the military perpetrated killings at Tak Bai? Arbitrary detentions of political dissidents? Clicking like on Facebook posts?

 

There would be an all out civil war if he returned. There still might be if YL gets banged up. 

 

Yeah right. Remind us who was in control when Tak Bai and the War on Drugs happened?

 

What a drama queen! No ones gonna fight for the Shins. Except mercenaries and they come expensive. Or are they rely on support from their eternal friend and his thugs?

[Baerboxer]

5 hours ago, stephen tracy said:

"applicable" to Thaksin case?  That's what it was designed for from the start.  It certainly will not apply to Mr  Red Bull.

 

Read the OP Stephen. It is very specific which people and offences it will apply too,

 

So no shit, it won't apply to red bull scion as it doesn't cover the offences he's charged with.

[Denim]

7 hours ago, seajae said:

for all those that do their crimes then run away overseas yes but you are talking about thaksin, he deserves everything he gets

 

The only thing Thaksin has been getting recently is more money.

 

Still ....... If you say he deserves it ......I suppose he must.

[Baerboxer]

11 hours ago, yardrunner said:

and do you think that he would have a fair trial

 

Well, he wouldn't be able to offer "pastry boxes", give out judges phone numbers and addresses, have his supporters burn coffins with photos of the judges; the usual bribery and intimidation approaches. So perhaps.

 

Of course he could always get Chalerm to issue veiled threats about "the consequences of making the wrong decisions and verdicts - but he seems to have vaporized.

[FritsSikkink]

11 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Revolting to have corruption cases that have been delayed due to political preferences. Police stations and Phuket land corruption cases spring to mind. 

If you had any knowledge at all you would know that there have been loads of cases where the army dealt with land corruption cases in Phuket.

 

 

 

 

 

[JAG]

 
Yeah right. Remind us who was in control when Tak Bai and the War on Drugs happened?
 
What a drama queen! No ones gonna fight for the Shins. Except mercenaries and they come expensive. Or are they rely on support from their eternal friend and his thugs?

I really wouldn't be so sure.

Maybe not Jatuporn, certainly not the clown hiding in Laos who likes dressing up and posing on the internet, but the longer the junta clings to power and the longer they continue to impose their will upon a people who have consistently chosen a different government, only to see that choice overturned, the more likely, even inevitable that becomes.
I have said before, it may happen soon, or it may take years, but I think there will, sooner or later be a catalyst. When it happens that reaction could be surprisingly quick, and maybe violent.

Crowing triumphantly about only drama queens and mercenaries fighting for the "Shins", because the faction you support has managed to jail some of their leaders without so far provoking a reaction ignores that.

This isn't 1960s South America. Military juntas come unstuck...

[johnarth]

23 hours ago, zyphodb said:

When are they going to realize that their constant attempts to punish Thaksin , presumably because the elite feel that they lost face by allowing him to escape out of the country is totally backfiring on them by keeping him in the public eye, gaining more sympathy for him & making themselves even more disliked than they were in the first place?

 What they should have done is try him "in absentia" and then just forget about him, but of course their over inflated egos will not allow them to do this so they continue their vendetta against him & his family & dig an ever increasing hole for themselves in the eyes of the vast majority of Thai people.... 

I think they have realized it but are stuck with it, this new law could help them out

[mtls2005]

Well that's handy.

 

Why not just pass a law that says anyone named "Shinawatra" has to got to jail?

 

Good thing the Junta granted themselves absolute immunity and amnesty for past and future "crimes".

 

 

 

 

[billd766]

21 hours ago, Grubster said:

I'm not sure this law covers the private sector, couldn't put the Red Bull buddy in that predicament could we.

 

He would have to be charged first, then given a trial and then flee the country.

 

His case has not made first base yet.

[stephen tracy]

16 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Read the OP Stephen. It is very specific which people and offences it will apply too,

 

So no shit, it won't apply to red bull scion as it doesn't cover the offences he's charged with.

And that - like many other things - clearly highlights the priorities of the Prayuth circus.

[tryasimight]

On ‎22‎/‎07‎/‎2017 at 3:26 PM, Pridilives said:

I think you love it because not justice for all but instead injustice for few. Not clever thing for support because one day if shoe on other foot not gonna be good for you. 

How much justice did Chalerm give the allegedly 5000 drug dealers he murdered on Mr T's orders? 

Live by the sword.......

[tryasimight]

22 hours ago, stephen tracy said:

I'm not a so-called red-shirt but your use of the word "scum" to describe an enormous swathe of the population of Thailand speaks volumes about your total inability to view the situation impartially.  It makes one wonder about the mindset and motives of foreigners in Thailand who whole-heatedly embrace one side of the political divide. I've also noticed that pro-junta (anti-Thaksin, whatever) TV members seem incapable of accepting that just because one does not agree with a military regime installed (Yes, installed) by the powers that be to protect their wealth and status, is all of a sudden a red-shirt/Thaksin supporter.  Serious lack of reflection going in here.

The enormous swathe you refer to is, I believe , a thing of the past, mostly centred around Chiang Mai.

I recall a post on this esteemed forum a year or two ago reporting on a red shirt rally in CM. A handful of the hard core supporters turned up. Everybody else ignored it.

[JAG]

The enormous swathe you refer to is, I believe , a thing of the past, mostly centred around Chiang Mai.
I recall a post on this esteemed forum a year or two ago reporting on a red shirt rally in CM. A handful of the hard core supporters turned up. Everybody else ignored it.

Well, there is one way to know for sure isn't there?

A free election, without restriction on who can stand or the policy platforms they campaign on.

I wonder why that cannot be countenanced?

Anyone any idea?

[Pridilives]

10 minutes ago, tryasimight said:

How much justice did Chalerm give the allegedly 5000 drug dealers he murdered on Mr T's orders? 

Live by the sword.......

5000? You very very wrong.

https://asiancorrespondent.com/2007/08/2275-where-did-this-number-come-from/

[tryasimight]

Just now, Pridilives said:

5000? You very very wrong.

https://asiancorrespondent.com/2007/08/2275-where-did-this-number-come-from/

So how many?

[stephen tracy]

2 minutes ago, tryasimight said:

The enormous swathe you refer to is, I believe , a thing of the past, mostly centred around Chiang Mai.

I recall a post on this esteemed forum a year or two ago reporting on a red shirt rally in CM. A handful of the hard core supporters turned up. Everybody else ignored it.

Yes, for fear of arrest, attitude adjustment and incarceration. That is why no one is protesting now. Not because they don't feel outrage at being at the mercy of a simple-minded little fool deployed to protect the status quo, they just don't want to go to jail for 15 years.  If you really believe the middle (and upper-middle) class population of Bangkok is representative of the population of Thailand, I think you need a reality check.

[Pridilives]

4 minutes ago, tryasimight said:

So how many?

Why don't you read link?

 

If 70,000 people were arrested, is this not evidence there was not a de facto shoot to kill policy as some have claimed? If the homicide rate doubled from 400-800, the 1,329 drug-related deaths figure starts to be a more accurate number than the 2,275 figure. What about the Thai Police’s statement they were only responsible for 72 deaths? Why have those figures never found their way into all the newspapers? Ok, because it doesn’t paint Thaksin as sufficiently evil enough.

[tryasimight]

1 minute ago, stephen tracy said:

Yes, for fear of arrest, attitude adjustment and incarceration. That is why no one is protesting now. Not because they don't feel outrage at being at the mercy of a simple-minded little fool deployed to protect the status quo, they just don't want to go to jail for 15 years.  If you really believe the middle (and upper-middle) class population of Bangkok is representative of the population of Thailand, I think you need a reality check.

Where did I mention any "class'( you've got to be English to use such a quaint descriptor) population of Bangkok?

 

I think nobody is protesting, apart from the hard core communists/fascists still supporting the red shirts on TV. And it doesn't have much to do with the present government.

 

Most people I know are glad the irrational conflict is over and they can get back to living and making a living. I have no aversion to the people who support the red shirts.....we would call them the Labor party supporters in Oz. What I didn't like though was the irrational fury that a powerful personality like Mr T could whip up. Not good for anyone. Bit like a Hitler a few decades back.

No problem supporting the poor farmers (the wife is one)...but why scream that Bangkok must be burnt to the ground to achieve this. I think Mr T must have been wishing he was another Pol Pot.

 

 

[tryasimight]

4 minutes ago, Pridilives said:

Why don't you read link?

 

If 70,000 people were arrested, is this not evidence there was not a de facto shoot to kill policy as some have claimed? If the homicide rate doubled from 400-800, the 1,329 drug-related deaths figure starts to be a more accurate number than the 2,275 figure. What about the Thai Police’s statement they were only responsible for 72 deaths? Why have those figures never found their way into all the newspapers? Ok, because it doesn’t paint Thaksin as sufficiently evil enough.

I did not choose to read your link. I knew you would be back.....like a moth to the flame.

 

It was only 2,275 families who lost their sons, fathers and husbands due to the psychopaths war on drugs?   That's ok then then. I remember Chalerm saying he could deliver another 2,000 if required.

[Pridilives]

2 minutes ago, tryasimight said:

I did not choose to read your link. I knew you would be back.....like a moth to the flame.

 

It was only 2,275 families who lost their sons, fathers and husbands due to the psychopaths war on drugs?   That's ok then then. I remember Chalerm saying he could deliver another 2,000 if required.

No it wasn't 2275. Can't you read. If gonna talk why not check fact first. Check fact mean not look silly.

[stephen tracy]

4 minutes ago, tryasimight said:

Where did I mention any "class'( you've got to be English to use such a quaint descriptor) population of Bangkok?

 

I think nobody is protesting, apart from the hard core communists/fascists still supporting the red shirts on TV. And it doesn't have much to do with the present government.

 

Most people I know are glad the irrational conflict is over and they can get back to living and making a living. I have no aversion to the people who support the red shirts.....we would call them the Labor party supporters in Oz. What I didn't like though was the irrational fury that a powerful personality like Mr T could whip up. Not good for anyone. Bit like a Hitler a few decades back.

No problem supporting the poor farmers (the wife is one)...but why scream that Bangkok must be burnt to the ground to achieve this. I think Mr T must have been wishing he was another Pol Pot.

 

 

Because you refuse to accept a medieval-style, never-ending situation of patronage, breathtaking corruption and a judiciary they would even have made Saddam Hussein uneasy, does not make you a communist or a fascist.  I often marvel at how foreign TV members always claim to know what "most" Thais want/prefer etc. 

[Pridilives]

12 minutes ago, tryasimight said:

Where did I mention any "class'( you've got to be English to use such a quaint descriptor) population of Bangkok?

 

I think nobody is protesting, apart from the hard core communists/fascists still supporting the red shirts on TV. And it doesn't have much to do with the present government.

 

Most people I know are glad the irrational conflict is over and they can get back to living and making a living. I have no aversion to the people who support the red shirts.....we would call them the Labor party supporters in Oz. What I didn't like though was the irrational fury that a powerful personality like Mr T could whip up. Not good for anyone. Bit like a Hitler a few decades back.

No problem supporting the poor farmers (the wife is one)...but why scream that Bangkok must be burnt to the ground to achieve this. I think Mr T must have been wishing he was another Pol Pot.

 

 

Conflict not over. Just pause.