White nationalist rally stopped in Virginia after factions clash

[Thakkar]

22 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

The civil war  was NOT about slavery.

And many cultures used the swastika, including the Vikings.

 

How erudite.

[oldhippy]

1 minute ago, Thakkar said:

How erudite.

As for the Vikings:

Some 35 years ago, I spent some time in Iceland.

The Icelandic National Shipping Company used the swastika flag as their logo.

Their logo did not come from Nazi Germany or India....

Not erudite, but well travelled.

You could try google too.

 

As for the civil war:

The industrialising North wanted protectionism to protect it's growing industry.

The agricultural South wanted free trade to export it's produce.

That was the course of the friction.

Slave labour was of course more suitable for farms than for factories, there were no morals invoved.

Not erudite, but not basing history on Hollywood movies.

 

 

[ilostmypassword]

1 minute ago, oldhippy said:

As for the Vikings:

Some 35 years ago, I spent some time in Iceland.

The Icelandic National Shipping Company used the swastika flag as their logo.

Their logo did not come from Nazi Germany or India....

Not erudite, but well travelled.

You could try google too.

 

As for the civil war:

The industrialising North wanted protectionism to protect it's growing industry.

The agricultural South wanted free trade to export it's produce.

That was the course of the friction.

Slave labour was of course more suitable for farms than for factories, there were no morals invoved.

Not erudite, but not basing history on Hollywood movies.

 

 

Utter nonsense. This IS the official position of the state of Mississippi justifying secession:

 

A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove...

 

 

 

[oldhippy]

1 minute ago, ilostmypassword said:

Utter nonsense. This IS the official position of the state of Mississippi justifying secession:

 

A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove...

 

 

 

Governments never have hidden agendas.

Sure.

 

[iReason]

7 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

As for the civil war:

The industrialising North wanted protectionism to protect it's growing industry.

The agricultural South wanted free trade to export it's produce.

That was the course of the friction.

Slave labour was of course more suitable for farms than for factories, there were no morals invoved.

 

"The agricultural South wanted free trade to export it's produce."

The "produce" and it's "friction". 

How quaint.

 

Well, we all know what that main "produce" was and what it took to produce it don't we?

 

[ilostmypassword]

2 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

Governments never have hidden agendas.

Sure.

 

What possible motive would they have to say it was about slavery instead of free trade? Even back then, slavery carried a far greater opprobrium. Your comment masquerades as being based on knowing cynicism when it's clearly based on utter cluelessness.

[oldhippy]

Just now, iReason said:

 

"The agricultural South wanted free trade to export it's produce."

The "produce" and it's "friction". 

How quaint.

 

Well, we all know what that main "produce" was and what it took to produce it don't we?

 

Yes, the South needed slaves for agricultural production that was exported.

The North needed regular workers for industrial production that was not yet ready to compete on foreign markets.

No morals involved!

 

[Thakkar]

28 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

As for the Vikings:

Some 35 years ago, I spent some time in Iceland.

The Icelandic National Shipping Company used the swastika flag as their logo.

Their logo did not come from Nazi Germany or India....

Not erudite, but well travelled.

You could try google too.

 

As for the civil war:

The industrialising North wanted protectionism to protect it's growing industry.

The agricultural South wanted free trade to export it's produce.

That was the course of the friction.

Slave labour was of course more suitable for farms than for factories, there were no morals invoved.

Not erudite, but not basing history on Hollywood movies.

 

 

It doesn't matter who else used/uses the swastika symbol. What matters is what it means to the people who use them. The white supremacists at the rally who used the symbol mean it as the Nazis did: white supremacy, Aryan  purity, the superiority of the white race.

 

As to the causes of the Civil War, I can see where your argument is coming from. While I respect Howard Zinn and have read and admired much of his work as well as enjoyed many of his lectures, he was wrong about the cause of the civil war as northern economy vs southern economy. I invite you to explore further before coming to a conclusion.

[Scott]

We can stop with the history lessons.   Stay on topic.   The Confederacy lost the war, free trade still exists and slavery doesn't -- at least not legally.

 

Continuing to support violence or killing will get a suspension.  

[Jingthing]

Quite an interesting discussion about the terms we use to describe these American white supremacists that gathered in Charlottesville that have been inspired by our current atrociously immoral potus.

 

 

"Are the Charlottesville White Supremacists Really “Nazis”?

 

Jelani Cobb on what to call them, Trump and the GOP’s response, and the president’s similarities to Woodrow Wilson."

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2017/08/jelani_cobb_on_the_charlottesville_white_supremacists_trump_s_response_and.html