Myanmar men appeal against death sentences over British murders in Thailand

[iReason]

 

“You’ve have this pretty extraordinary situation going on in court today where the head of Thailand’s forensics institute is effectively contradicting the case of the Royal Thai Police.”

 

http://news.sky.com/story/1550571/thai-murders-dna-does-not-match-defendants

[iReason]

"Deputy national police chief General Somyot Pumpunmuang is now flying down to personally inspect the crime scene and speak to investigators."

 

"We will ask the FBI to help identify the DNA in the semen we found – whether it belonged to an Asian or European," the Nation newspaper quoted him as saying."

 

"Mamen said he plans to expand the search to nearby islands, and believes the murders were carried out by a group of at least three attackers."

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/20/thai-police-koh-tao-fbi-british-backpacker-murders

[StealthEnergiser]

December 2, 2015
 
“Police Chief Somyot Pumpunmuang told journalists then that the police had conducted a “perfect investigation”
 

“Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha backed the police force’s investigation: Stating that the British Government had “no doubts regarding British the murder case”.

 

"But it wasn’t long before a statement from the UK proved that Prayuth’s claim was somewhat inaccurate, with Junior Foreign Minister Hugo Swire stating “there was a real concern in the UK about how the investigation has been handled by the Thai authorities”.

 

http://uk.asiancorrespondent.com/2014/12/thailand-detention-of-koh-tao-murder-suspects-extended-for-6th-time/

Great job ireason thanks for the refresher



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[iReason]

greenchair Posted January 3, 2016

 

I don't trust the police. I don't trust the prosecutor. I am interested in the b3 own story. 

[iReason]

1. Broken Hoe said to be found at the scene. 

2. Hoe presented in court:

[iReason]

"The head of Thailand’s Central Institute of Forensic Science (CIFS) said the DNA of two males was found on the handle of a garden hoe but it doesn’t match that of the two Burmese defendants or the victims."

 

"The shock announcement surprised even the defence lawyers, led by Nakhon Chomphuchat,

who had been told by the Thai police there was no DNA found on the garden hoe."

 

"During the hearing it was disclosed that Norfolk Coroner’s court had carried out its own autopsy on the body of Ms Witheridge, after it was returned to the UK, and there were significant differences noted between that report and the report compiled by the Thai pathologist."

 

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/dna_found_on_murder_weapon_does_not_match_with_two_men_on_trial_for_killing_hannah_witheridge_1_4228734

 

 

[iReason]

"The first policeman on the scene, Lt. Jakrapan Kaewkao, told the court that... he discovered a gruesome scene on arrival, with Miller “face down” in the shallow surf." 

 

"This is clearly not the case as in the first crime scene photos, David is lying in the sea face up." 

 

"This is the same officer who said he found the clothes in a neat pile."

 

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/families-hear-gruesome-details-as-trial-for-thailand-murders-of-two-british-tourists-begins/story-fnh81fz8-1227434677803

[iReason]

"One of the foreign reporters said that he was unable to hire a Thai translator after dozens of locals declined the job offer,

citing fear from “local mafia.”

 

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1437573990

[iReason]

 

"According to Nakhon, the defense has not received a number of requested documents from the prosecution, including photographs taken during the post-mortem examinations, and required paper trails – known as a ‘chains of custody’ –

that document the collection, movement, and current location of all physical evidence."

 

“We haven’t received any of this,” he said.

 

Source: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1437661326

[greenchair]

6 minutes ago, iReason said:

greenchair Posted January 3, 2016

 

I don't trust the police. I don't trust the prosecutor. I am interested in the b3 own story. 

Here is their story. 

Muang Muang, Zaw and Wei Phyo sat on a log drinking beer until around midnight. Muang went away for an hour and came back with a bottle of wine around 1 o'clock. according to cctv footage they were the only people in the area. (At 1.15 and 2 o'clock first hannah then david entered a bar. They were never seen alive again. The only possibility is they left out the back door, which led past the log that the 3 were drinking. David and Hannah were found dead 60 meters away behind a rock. )

After drinking some more Muang left  (he said to visit girlfriend ).

At about 2 o'clock am it was raining and Wei Phyo said he had a headache, so they decided to take a swim and clean themselves. After  that they went back to maung house to sleep .but said their clothes were stolen whilst swimming. So wei pho went back to the beach to find them. Wei Phyo says while he was walking on the beach he found the victims phone. He also says he met Muang on the way back. But Muang says he woke Wei Phyo up and they went back to the beach together( someone is lying). They were out and about between the hours of 1 am and 4am coming and going from the area of the murder. 

Wei Phyo then gave the phone to his friend and told him he found it in a bar(lie 2). Then he changed his mind and said he found it on the beach and said it might be from the murdered people they had just heard about. His friend renren destroyed the phone and hid it. 

The evidence is the cctv footage of them near the scene that showed that nobody else went into that area. There is a shadow of someone running in the direction of Muang house. 

The phone belongs to David and he accepted the charge of theft of the phone because he could not explain his possession of it. 

Dna was collected 17 days before their arrest that matched cigarette butts found near a log.

The dna in the victims Virginia matched Wei Phyo. the dna on the victim boob partly matched Wei Phyo but was not accepted by the court. The dna in the victims bottom matched both Wei Phyo and Zaw. The dna is the most disputed part. All the rest of their crazy night is their own story. 

[greenchair]

IReason all of the stuff you are posting is old and outdated. 

Read the verdict. You'll be enlightenment 

[EyeOfRa]

Koh Tao murders: Appeal looks at forensic evidence

News | Published: Aug 24, 2017

 

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THE reliability of forensic evidence is the focus of the final appeal lodged by two Burmese men 

 

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Nakhon Chompuchat, head of the defence team which has represented the men throughout, said they are arguing the reliability of forensic procedures and suggest police failed to properly collect DNA samples which led to the convictions.

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The defence team want the DNA samples to be re-examined but, according to reports, Lieutenant Colonel Somsak, who led the original police investigation, has said the samples no longer exist. He also says that a hair sample found in Miss Witheridge’s hand was among samples that were lost.

Jersey Evening Post
Read more at https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2017/08/24/koh-tao-murders-appeal-looks-at-forensic-evidence-/#TwmOFzIvyvSf1yu6.99

[EyeOfRa]

Final appeal filed for Myanmar workers on death row for Koh Tao murders

By Coconuts Yangon Aug. 22, 2017

 

 

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300-page document, handed in to Supreme Court of Thailand, states that the forensic evidence, including DNA tests, used to convict migrant workers Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun, both 22, was not carried out according to international forensic standards, reported the Bangkok Post.

(Defense team leader) 

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Nakhon still maintains that problems ranging from custody of the DNA samples during the investigation to how the men were charged and interrogated prevailed. The lawyer also pointed out that a proper interpreter or legal representation was not provided early in the case for the two convicted young men.

https://coconuts.co/yangon/news/final-appeal-filed-myanmar-workers-death-row-koh-tao-murders/

[greenchair]

11 hours ago, StealthEnergiser said:

who is is we're ????

We,   are all the people that were duped into believing those two were innocent, and have painfully realised that "we" were in fact supporting brutal rapists. 

 

[Khun Han]

42 minutes ago, greenchair said:

IReason all of the stuff you are posting is old and outdated. 

Read the verdict. You'll be enlightenment 

 

All the stuff iReason is posting is documented evidence, some of it with photographs (which iReason has embedded in some of his posts). None of the garble of contradictions, acceptance of fake evidence and highly subjective interpretations that greenchair wants us to follow will ever change that. That stable door can't be closed now. And It's only a matter of time before this perversion of justice unravels.

[greenchair]

I'm going to complain to the mods iReason for derailing our thread with all that bs. All of that stuff has been discussed extensively. We are now discussing the guilty verdict and the supreme court decision. You just better stop it now. 

[Khun Han]

4 minutes ago, greenchair said:

We,   are all the people that were duped into believing those two were innocent, and have painfully realised that "we" were in fact supporting brutal rapists. 

 

 

Who are the others? Or do you have a Multiple Personality disorder?

[Khun Han]

1 minute ago, greenchair said:

I'm going to complain to the mods iReason for derailing our thread with all that bs. All of that stuff has been discussed extensively. We are now discussing the guilty verdict and the supreme court decision. You just better stop it now. 

 

You're disgusting. iReason has provided evidence relevant to the appeal for discussion on this discussion forum. It's about time you were banned for your trolling, lies and disruption.

[Khun Han]

You didn't answer my question greenchair, despite reacting to my post. Who are the others who changed their minds? Do they post on this forum? Who are they?

[EyeOfRa]

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I'm going to complain to the mods iReason for derailing our thread with all that bs. All of that stuff has been discussed extensively. We are now discussing the guilty verdict and the supreme court decision. You just better stop it now. (greenchair)

 greenchair, are you not able to see the direct relevance of iReason's posts to the appeal (which is the topic of this thread, not "the guilty verdict and the supreme court decision"). 

 

Please see below:

 

Nakhon Chompuchat, head of the defence team which has represented the men throughout, said they are arguing the reliability of forensic procedures and suggest police failed to properly collect DNA samples which led to the convictions.

  

The defence team want the DNA samples to be re-examined but, according to reports, Lieutenant Colonel Somsak, who led the original police investigation, has said the samples no longer exist. He also says that a hair sample found in Miss Witheridge’s hand was among samples that were lost.

[greenchair]

10 hours ago, StealthEnergiser said:

looks like crab and greenchair are working together have a look at greenchairs visitors .

 little sneak. 

He can visit me if he wants. 

Lots of people visit me and send me interesting stuff. 

 

[iReason]

Woraphan Tuwichian, Village Chief of Koh Tao, owner of the AC Bar and father of accused Worat Tuwichian, (seated to his left) along with National Police Chief Somyot Poompanmoung, who personally took charge of the case, (seated directly to his right)

[greenchair]

IReason nomsod already sued several newspapers and won several settlements for these illegal pictures. 

I just don't know what you are doing on this thread when you are so backward to the present day. 

[Khun Han]

3 minutes ago, iReason said:

Woraphan Tuwichian, Village Chief of Koh Tao, owner of the AC Bar and father of accused Worat Tuwichian, (seated to his left) along with National Police Chief Somyot Poompanmoung, who personally took charge of the case, (seated directly to his right)

The mind boggles at what the Tuvichiens were doing at the top table at this event. And the mind boggles at what Somyot was doing there in the first place.

[iReason]

"Zaw Lin then told the court in Koh Samui, Thailand, today that the men asked him some questions through a translator before stripping him naked in an air conditioned room and putting a plastic bag tightly over his head."

 

“I bit through the bag to be able to breathe so they put another bag on top of that one and the translator asked me:

 

“Did you kill?” When I said “No”, they put another bag over my head and pulled it tight around my neck."

 

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/i_was_tortured_to_confess_murdering_hannah_witheridge_accused_tells_court_today_1_4216927

[Khun Han]

1 minute ago, greenchair said:

IReason nomsod already sued several newspapers and won several settlements for these illegal pictures. 

I just don't know what you are doing on this thread when you are so backward to the present day. 

 

What is illegal about the pictures? They were released into the public domain, where they remain.

 

Mods, any chance of you dealing with this desperate shill greenchair? She disrupts every thread of this type with her lies and nonsense.

[EyeOfRa]

(Mr Nakhon)

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said a key issue the defence lawyers will argue is the forensic procedure and autopsy results that confirmed a match in the DNA found in samples collected from Witheridge's body and the DNA of the defendants

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In addition, the lawyer said his team would argue the official autopsy results were not submitted to the lower courts, only verbal statements of witnesses and experts were given. So, there are doubts over the autopsy results as well, the lawyer said.

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Mr Nakhon said poor handling and problems with chain of custody regarding the DNA samples during the police investigation process would be another issue they would raise in their appeal. 

The defence team believes the police interrogation process was unlawful, he said.

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The defendants had no lawyer participating in the interrogation, he said. 

In addition, the defendants were never properly advised of the murder charges, nor their rights under Thai law. They were also not provided with a proper interpreter during the process.

 
You can read the full story here: http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1309887/defence-to-appeal-koh-tao-verdicts

[iReason]

"One of the translators, Ko Ye, admitted to the Samui Central Court yesterday that he could not read or write Thai and barely understood the Rakhine dialect."

 

"Under questioning from the defense, he said that he signed a statement confirming what happened in the interrogation even though he didn’t know what it said in Thai, and he wasn’t asked to sign it until a month afterward."

 

http://www.mmtimes.com/index.php/national-news/16101-thai-police-used-roti-vendors-as-translators.html

[greenchair]

19 minutes ago, iReason said:

"Zaw Lin then told the court in Koh Samui, Thailand, today that the men asked him some questions through a translator before stripping him naked in an air conditioned room and putting a plastic bag tightly over his head."

 

“I bit through the bag to be able to breathe so they put another bag on top of that one and the translator asked me:

 

“Did you kill?” When I said “No”, they put another bag over my head and pulled it tight around my neck."

 

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/i_was_tortured_to_confess_murdering_hannah_witheridge_accused_tells_court_today_1_4216927

The judge said there was absolutely no evidence to prove any of this. More hearsay from the defense with nothing to back it up. 

Anyway the judge saw that the confession and reenactment  were obtained before the 2 were informed they were under arrest.

Therefore the confession and reenactmebt were not accepted by the court. 

[EyeOfRa]

Police lie at press conference about the Supreme Court Appeal of Koh Tao Murder case

 

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Jane Taupin, one of the world’s foremost experts on DNA profiling, who has worked as an internal laboratory auditor and written books on the use of forensic evidence in courtrooms, has provided a thorough critique of DNA evidence in the case which is as follows.

Extremely thorough analysis follows at

 

http://www.samuitimes.com/police-lie-press-conference-supreme-court-appeal-koh-tao-murder-case/

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