Parents speak of flawed justice to 2010 crackdown dead

By The Nation

 

BANGKOK: -- Families of victims killed in the 2010 crackdown on red-shirt protesters held an activity at Ratchaprasong Intersection on Thursday evening.

Organisers said they were there to communicate with the spirits of their dead children after the Supreme Court recently rejected the related case against the then-prime minister and his deputy who were accused of murder.

Phayaw Akkahad and Phansak Srithep, whose children were killed during the crackdown, led the activity.

 

Phayaw told reporters after the activity that although the criminal court cited its lack of authority to try the case, it did not rule that the accused were innocent.

 

She said family members could still fight for justice. The families still had doubts over how the National Anti-Corruption Commission had initially dismissed the case, Phayaw said, and now the criminal court had pointed out the investigation was the agency’s responsibility.

 

The families would now try to push the case back to the investigation stage, she said.

 

The spiritual ceremony held at the Ratchaprasong Intersection was said to be a means to contact the dead in the location where the military opened fire on protestors. The families made offerings of local food such as Northeastern spicy minced raw meat salad and sticky rice. And they used incense sticks to conjure the dead victims and tell them of the developments in the search for justice.

 

The activity was held to tell the spirits of the victims that their deaths would not be neglected, Phayaw said.

 

Phayaw, whose daughter Kamolkade Akkahad was killed in Wat Pathum Wanaram when serving as a volunteer nurse, wore the medical apron her daughter had on when forces opened fire on the protestors.

 

The activity took 30 minutes and was monitored by some 50 police officers, including some in plain clothes.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30325506

 

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Brave people.

Only in Asia do they use a army to intimidate there own lol. No balls to go into the action abroad

The parents of the 1976 Black May, the 1992 TU massacre and now the 2010 crackdown are still fighting for justice which will never come. 

2 hours ago, webfact said:

Organisers said they were there to communicate with the spirits of their dead children

i see

Justice won't happen!

It might behove them to remember that the Red Shirts were hardly paradigms of virtue. They were happy to intimidate those who didn't agree with their policies and objectives, as well as those who were residents of the Ratchaprasong area. Not to mention their own part in the murders of innocent people.  

0nly is asia do you see a group organized & paid for by an ex pm running from the law, setting fire to buildings, shooting people and threatening to blow up/burn down Bangkok then expect to not have anyone shoot back/return fire at them

Edited September 2, 20178 yr by seajae

perhaps someone can explain to me; 'thai justice'; just cant understand it........

27 minutes ago, seajae said:

0nly is asia do you see a group organized & paid for by an ex pm running from the law, setting fire to buildings, shooting people and threatening to blow up/burn down Bangkok then expect to not have anyone shoot back/return fire at them

Why would you have a group outside of Asia setting fire to buildings, shooting people and threatening to blow up/burn down Bangkok? 

On 9/1/2017 at 3:26 PM, webfact said:

The families still had doubts over how the National Anti-Corruption Commission had initially dismissed the case,

really ? ; hmmmm, expecting first world justice in a third world country; not a good plan

Edited September 2, 20178 yr by YetAnother

It might behove them to remember that the Red Shirts were hardly paradigms of virtue. They were happy to intimidate those who didn't agree with their policies and objectives, as well as those who were residents of the Ratchaprasong area. Not to mention their own part in the murders of innocent people.  

Oh I am sure that was at the forefront of the he mind of the lady whose daughter was shot dead, whilst tending the wounded clearly dressed as a nurse.

Your post possibly qualifies as the most crass variant of the" But, but, but Thaksin" genre ever!

On 9/1/2017 at 5:32 PM, Eric Loh said:

The parents of the 1976 Black May, the 1992 TU massacre and now the 2010 crackdown are still fighting for justice which will never come. 

 

Fair comment.

 

But you missed out the families of those murdered in the War on Drugs, or the Tak Bai massacre. Or don't you think they also deserve justice?

 

 

23 hours ago, Jonmarleesco said:

It might behove them to remember that the Red Shirts were hardly paradigms of virtue. They were happy to intimidate those who didn't agree with their policies and objectives, as well as those who were residents of the Ratchaprasong area. Not to mention their own part in the murders of innocent people.  

the thai way

23 hours ago, seajae said:

0nly is asia do you see a group organized & paid for by an ex pm running from the law, setting fire to buildings, shooting people and threatening to blow up/burn down Bangkok then expect to not have anyone shoot back/return fire at them

I learned something today then

 

Sutep and the Democrats where paid by Mr T

 

I did not know that thanks for telling me.

33 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Fair comment.

 

But you missed out the families of those murdered in the War on Drugs, or the Tak Bai massacre. Or don't you think they also deserve justice?

 

 

They do deserve justice, but considering it was military personnel heavily involved especially in TB, its not going to happen.

Just now, smutcakes said:

They do deserve justice, but considering it was military personnel heavily involved especially in TB, its not going to happen.

 

They all deserve justice. As does the killed police family in the Red Bull case; the family of the two Master's students killed by a speeding maniac; the families of the innocent lives lost when an illegal underage driver knocked their van off a highway, the families of those murdered on Koh Tao etc etc etc.

 

The list here is incredible. But as none of the politicians or military seem particularly interested in trying to reform the justice system, I doubt any of them will get. Not gonna happen in my life time. Maybe in yours, but don't hold your breath!

32 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Fair comment.

 

But you missed out the families of those murdered in the War on Drugs, or the Tak Bai massacre. Or don't you think they also deserve justice?

 

 

Now that you mention, I would put the Tak Bai massacre with the 1976, 1992 and 2010 deaths in the hands of the military. It was a mistake that Thaksin defended the military and the inquest by post coup PM Surayud concluded that the military did not do anything wrong. The military has always lead a charmed and protected life. 

 

As for the war on drugs, it is a pity until now that the number of extra judiciary deaths have still not determined even after the campaign was praised by the highest order in the country and a commission was conducted. Needless to say that all the above deserved justice. 

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Now that you mention, I would put the Tak Bai massacre with the 1976, 1992 and 2010 deaths in the hands of the military. It was a mistake that Thaksin defended the military and the inquest by post coup PM Surayud concluded that the military did not do anything wrong. The military has always lead a charmed and protected life. 

 

As for the war on drugs, it is a pity until now that the number of extra judiciary deaths have still not determined even after the campaign was praised by the highest order in the country and a commission was conducted. Needless to say that all the above deserved justice. 

"

Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra expressed regret for the deaths, but he insisted there had been no wrongdoing by military personnel. On 2 November 2006, Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont gave a formal apology for Thaksin's policies in the south,] and two days later the charges against the surviving protesters were dropped. The Asian Human Rights Commission called for prosecutions, stating, "After two years, the apology is welcome, but investigation and prosecution is imperative."

A 2009 inquest found that security officials had performed their duty without wrongdoing. Family members attempted to appeal the decision, but their appeal was denied in June 2012. As of October 2012, no charges had been filed against the security officials involved in the deaths. In 2012, the Thai government offered reparations to family members of the victims." Source Wikipedia.

23 hours ago, baboon said:

Why would you have a group outside of Asia setting fire to buildings, shooting people and threatening to blow up/burn down Bangkok? 

Not many examples of rich billionaires that lost their money and then hired a rent a mob to get back in power and get the money back. so its hard to compare. For him it was just inciting the people and then adding some nice men in black and act all innocent while martyrs for his cause were created. 

 

Blame the army..yes ... but blame the egocentric maniac that made sure that there violent trouble makers and armed men in black at the scene too. This was not a one sided thing of protesters holding hands singing kumba ya. This was a violent mob. Yes mistakes were made by the army.. temple thing.. but once you get shot at people even the army loses their cool. This is a case where both sides have their blame.

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Not many examples of rich billionaires that lost their money and then hired a rent a mob to get back in power and get the money back. so its hard to compare. For him it was just inciting the people and then adding some nice men in black and act all innocent while martyrs for his cause were created. 

 

Blame the army..yes ... but blame the egocentric maniac that made sure that there violent trouble makers and armed men in black at the scene too. This was not a one sided thing of protesters holding hands singing kumba ya. This was a violent mob. Yes mistakes were made by the army.. temple thing.. but once you get shot at people even the army loses their cool. This is a case where both sides have their blame.

All very interesting I'm sure, but not actually anything to do with my point...

35 minutes ago, baboon said:

All very interesting I'm sure, but not actually anything to do with my point...

The point was baboon, that this group came together because some billionaire lost his money and hired a mob to get it back.... You don't have that much outside Asia. That is my point.

13 minutes ago, robblok said:

The point was baboon, that this group came together because some billionaire lost his money and hired a mob to get it back.... You don't have that much outside Asia. That is my point.

Your point is wrong.

The UDD first formed in 2006 to oppose the military government and the military coup which overthrew the prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

1 minute ago, pornprong said:

Your point is wrong.

The UDD first formed in 2006 to oppose the military government and the military coup which overthrew the prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

My point is not wrong... because I don't believe in coincidences. This all happened after Thaksin his money was confiscated. He is the financier. Just have fun believing what you want.

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

My point is not wrong... because I don't believe in coincidences. This all happened after Thaksin his money was confiscated. He is the financier. Just have fun believing what you want.

No, 2006 is before Thaksin's money was confiscated.

On 9/2/2017 at 6:17 PM, Jonmarleesco said:

It might behove them to remember that the Red Shirts were hardly paradigms of virtue. They were happy to intimidate those who didn't agree with their policies and objectives, as well as those who were residents of the Ratchaprasong area. Not to mention their own part in the murders of innocent people.  

Well when there is a thread about that, you can voice your opinions. 

This thread is about the death of the children by their own army in 2010. 

1 hour ago, robblok said:

The point was baboon, that this group came together because some billionaire lost his money and hired a mob to get it back.... You don't have that much outside Asia. That is my point.

No, I realise what you were saying. My point was that any such group elsewhere would hardly be calling for Bangkok to be ransacked...