Gweiloman

I haven’t seen any such videos. Have you? And do you know that TikTok isn’t available in China?

You keep repeating the same drivel over and over again without realising what it means. The complete loss of the US market of 400 billion means 3% of GDP. This is hardly several points off its GDP. But this won’t happen as America can’t do without Chinese products. Watch some videos about the recent Canton Fair and you will see how China is doing with the rest of the world. With regards to purchasing power, you don’t seem to understand the concept of relativity. Chinese citizens don’t have to pay sky high exorbitant public services costs like healthcare, transportation, insurances etc. I can’t say for sure but I’m willing to bet that someone earning 13,000 in China probably has a better standard of living than someone earning 89,000 in the US. PPP in China is way ahead of America. @NoDisplayName has suggested an alternative reason for the destruction of many apartments which I find more credible than your propagandised claim. As for the population demographics, this may or may not be an issue but even if it is, it will only surface many years from now by which time many things would have been automated eliminating the need for much labour. As for Asian nations being terrified, that’s more in your head than in reality. America can’t win this trade war. China is the top trading nation for over 140 countries. There is no way these countries will cut off trade with China to support, as a Japanese politician put it, a delinquent kids’ extortion demands. The Japanese delegation has returned home with no deal. The US just doesn’t have the cards they thought they did. The only area in which they currently reign supreme are in chips but you can be sure that this is slowly but surely being eroded away. All its actions have clearly shown that they are “terrified” of China. Why? Because they are losing!

Are you sure you’re not Gordon Chang in disguise? You sure sound like him. And you are as equally wrong. As for “China crawling to the negotiation table”, don’t hold your breath. China is slowly but surely tightening the screws on Trump. They have been anticipating such a trade war for years. Trump is starting to panic, it’s obvious from his demeanour and most recent answer to a journalist about whether China has been in touch. You know nothing about China is you think they are going to cave in to an idiot like Trump.

What I know is that you’re the top poster in this thread and seem to be obsessed with this topic. Maybe get out a bit more? Lol.

Let’s see what is the evidence that he claims to have. Don’t forget, he also once claimed 40,000 casualties. Maybe he missed out a zero somewhere.

+1. Trumps’ “reciprocal tariffs” are nonsense, just using jargon to fool the gullible and not too smart American public. There is nothing reciprocal about it (unlike what China did which was to match America’s tariffs by exactly the same amount). Instead, it was merely a measure of the trade deficit. There is nothing inherently wrong or unfair about trade deficits or surpluses. Professors of Economics from top institutions have confirmed as much. However, it is possible that too great a deficit might not be healthy. In that case, the deficit country, such as America should professionally negotiate with the surplus country, such as Japan, to try to reach an acceptable compromise. This would be the win win approach that is generally favoured by most countries. However, Trump, in his ignorance, hubris and American exceptionalism (arrogance), decided to take the hard line approach. First the stick and then maybe followed by the carrot. Anyone who’s ever participated in successful negotiations or relationships knows that such an approach will instil bad feelings regardless of the outcome. Japan, being weak minded people, will almost certainly bend the knee and kiss the ass but will harbour bad feelings and will exact their revenge one day if they can, as will many other countries. This is only natural human nature. Many countries in the global south were already edging towards organisations like BRICS and China in particular. Trumps’ actions will just push them along further. Long live Trump! Go for a 3rd term. You have my full support.

The US maybe China’s largest single trading country but China trades more with ASEAN than with the US. No expert, and I don’t mean guys like you on a forum, thinks that the US is going to win this trade war. As it is, Trump has already blinked thrice, the last time, exempting 40% of goods traded (smartphones, computers etc) with China. It’s rather sad that guys like you are so blinded to the realities due to your anti-China stance. Whatever has China done to you to make you hate it so much, I wonder. You are like that Gordon character that Fox trots out regularly, who has been predicting the economic collapse of China since over a decade. He will be right one day of course, same as I will be, predicting the end of humanity on earth, in about 4 billion years time.

The vast number of Chinese tourists in Thailand indicate that the Chinese middle class has plenty of money to travel and that they are free to travel anywhere they want. The fact that the Chinese are opening businesses here and all over Asia indicates their entrepreneurial spirit and belief that they should work for what they want rather than depending on govt handouts.

Wow. You know more than everyone else? Lol. The only part of your post that’s accurate is that the Chinese people are pissed off. At Trump…

Don’t worry, China is not like America and it won’t start a war over Taiwan. Even if it does, unless you’re Taiwanese, it’s none of your business. As for market dynamics, you’ve gotten it all wrong. China is stronger than people (especially Americans) have been programmed to believe. The US will fold first, if either side folds. This is very obvious from the desperate messaging coming out of the US, pleading for Xi to call, saying that the ball is in China’s court, that China needs the US more etc etc. China has confidently just kept quiet and mature, saying only that talks can begin when America learns some respect (a tall order, I must admit). Militarily, the US has no chance against China in China’s backyard. America is foolishly trying to provoke China to take the first action and then use the fake moral high ground to try and turn the world against China. Kindergarten checkers against the likes of a civilisation that has perfected the Art of War hundreds of years before the genocide of the native Americans.

Really? And what is this propaganda that has been fed to the Chinese citizens? That there are many homeless people in the States? That there is a drug problem? That there are many mass shootings? That America has been in over 70 wars since WWII? That many Americans live paycheck to paycheck and that some have to take out loans to pay for their groceries? That America has the highest number of prisoners per capita in the world? On the other hand, the recent exodus of TikTok refugees to the Little Red Book has many Americans admitting that they have been fed falsehoods about China and life in China. Open your eyes. China does not want war with America but America is trying to contain China in order to hang on desperately to its hegemony.

What are you on about? Don’t you understand what monthly expenditure means? Good thing you aren’t teaching there anymore. Her monthly expenditure means she spends RMB 3,000 per month on food, clothing, utilities, transportation etc etc. If she had to rent her apartment, that would cost another 3,000 but that’s a 3 bedroom apartment. Smaller apartments go for less so a 6,000 monthly income is a very comfortable income for lots of people. And no, most people don’t work 2 jobs.

Excellent post, I fully agree except for the highlighted section. Regardless of whether it’s a dictatorship or not, the government cares about its own people, probably more than most western economies. Another point is that most Chinese citizens can see exactly what the US is trying to do so they are willing to endure as much hardship as necessary to ensure that China will not lose this trade war. However, I don’t think the Chinese people will suffer much hardship. As mentioned many times before, only 15% of China’s exports go to the US. Complete loss of this market (which won’t happen anyway) will inevitably cause some job losses but nobody will be starving or homeless. All that is required is some belt tightening and dipping into some savings if really necessary.

You are really talking nonsense in spite of your claim of having worked in China previously. Most graduates are unable to find work and yet most people have to work 2 full time jobs? You obviously don’t realise how ridiculous that statement is. In response to your earlier post about costs, I just checked with a friend of mine. She lives in a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom apartment with her mother in a 2nd tier city. She lives well, eats well, dresses well. Her monthly expenditure? 3,000 RMB. No rent as she owns her apartment. In any case, rental would only be another RMB 3,000. Contrary to what you hope, China is not facing any serious crisis. 5.4% GDP in the first quarter. These are figures that the west would die for.