Man shot dead by federal agents in Minneapolis

24 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Bro, I have carried concealed in the US legally for 50 years and the last thing you want to do as a lawful gun owner is put yourself in a situation where that gun may cause a problem. That means you AVOID trouble and interfering in a Federal Law Enforcement Operation means trouble.

Thank you for confirming that all those MAGA fanboys running around with assault rifles during protests were/are wrong!

19 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Did he interfere with Law Enforcement ?? must have been in ur dreams Nothing like that happened LOOK at the video without ur blinkers on

Really? You sure? Guess you have blinkers

5 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

I fail to understand why my being upset should trigger you to respond, and of course I feel no obligation to explain myself to you, I am perfectly entitled to not like what I saw in the video, and equally entitled to comment accordingly.

Fortunately the world is not filled with weird looking people as you claim, but unfortunately they do exist, I choose not to look at them, and will continue to do so,

I may well encounter more of them but , just like dog $h1t I shall endeavour to avoid wherever and whenever possible

You need to understand that you are in no position to instruct me to "get used to it " or anything else for that matter now run along you annoying little troll

I fail to understand why you claimed you were upset and become infuriated when someone asks why. Confusion and immaturity comes to mind. Oh, well.

5 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Thank you for confirming that all those MAGA fanboys running around with assault rifles during protests were/are wrong!

You are, as always, confused.

11 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Which would result in an actual discussion, rather than just refusing to answer over and over and spewing nonsense. But a real discussion requires thought and effort, while spewing nonsense does not.

I can say the shooting of this poor guy was wrong, and condemn the agents, and I can also condemn the people that are causing all the mayhem to start with. Both things can be true at the same time.

But for the interference with law enforcement, none of this would be happening.

In other words, don't go outside and exercise your rights under the Constitution. Go it!

35 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

But that was not the question. I heartily condemn ICE for killing ANYONE.

Should citizens attacking law enforcement be condemned or not?

The leftists just can't get their heads around the facts and realities of life

Of course nobody should be getting shot , and of course it is a terrible state of affairs, nobody not even nazis like me is saying otherwise,

we can argue about the legalities until blue in the face but the fact remains that a highly charged atmosphere prevails in these situations and there is a strong possibility of getting shot , in the face , multiple times.

No matter how strongly people feel about it , it is far safer to avoid the locations and simply not get involved. Rocket science ? Nah

4 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

fail to understand why you claimed you were upset and become infuriated when someone asks why. Confusion and immaturity comes to mind. Oh, well.

here we go again , I did not claim to be upset , I said i felt sick, for reasons known only to yourself you changed my words, I think that's against forum rules ( i'll check before I report you) but I simply could not be bothered correcting your misquoting of me, when I replied in my previous post .

So to clarify I felt sick and nauseous , and you are not helping matters

7 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

The leftists just can't get their heads around the facts and realities of life

Of course nobody should be getting shot , and of course it is a terrible state of affairs, nobody not even nazis like me is saying otherwise,

we can argue about the legalities until blue in the face but the fact remains that a highly charged atmosphere prevails in these situations and there is a strong possibility of getting shot , in the face , multiple times.

No matter how strongly people feel about it , it is far safer to avoid the locations and simply not get involved. Rocket science ? Nah

Right, stay home and do nothing instead of exercising your constitutional rights!

Imaging if the roles were reversed and the MAGA fanbase was told to stay home, don't go out to protest, but if you do definitely DO NOT bring any guns.

That would have gone down sooooooooooooo well, right?🤣

9 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

No matter how strongly people feel about it , it is far safer to avoid the locations and simply not get involved. Rocket science ? Nah

The video of which you watched 5 seconds took place at a Target where the ICE gang led by Greg Bovino himself went to use the restrooms. Target stores esp. in MN HQ state are not locations to be avoided. The encounter resulted in the arrest of 2 US Citizen employees. Later released.

14 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

"If they were really non-participants they wouldn't be in the crowds running around in the crowd."

Easy on the Guiness there! Crowds running around in crowds makes my head spin!😆

BTW, what does Farage say about all this? Has he received his talking points from Moscow yet?

Farage is a slimeball just another Trump wannabe out for whatever he can get.

30 minutes ago, JerryM said:

You like to ask these When did you stop beating your wife? questions as oft used modus operandi.

Except that it is not a "When did you stop beating your wife?" question. Why did you clip my post?

What I said was:

Which would result in an actual discussion, rather than just refusing to answer over and over and spewing nonsense. But a real discussion requires thought and effort, while spewing nonsense does not.

I can say the shooting of this poor guy was wrong, and condemn the agents, and I can also condemn the people that are causing all the mayhem to start with. Both things can be true at the same time.

But for the interference with law enforcement, none of this would be happening.

If we are going to have rule of law, someone have to enforce it, and mistakes are going to be made.

14 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

If we are going to have rule of law, someone have to enforce it, and mistakes are going to be made.

So maybe knowing that 'mistakes' may be captured on protester video will lead the ICE-folks to be a smidgen more careful.

As far as my history with you, the only thing near certain is, if I answer a question, there will be another question.

In this video it all starts with ICE pushing the girl filming into the snow off the road. That could have been the end of it. Not sure what this guy was trying to do here: he then first jumps in front of ICE agent and then starts pulling the girl into the road like he is shielding her . Just unnecessary actions that draws in the other agents while he is trying push them off as they are trying to restrain him. This now is resisting arrest for sure. Then the shots . Until there is enhanced video that does or does not show him trying to grab a gun this is an open case.

23 minutes ago, JerryM said:

The video of which you watched 5 seconds took place at a Target where the ICE gang led by Greg Bovino himself went to use the restrooms. Target stores esp. in MN HQ state are not locations to be avoided. The encounter resulted in the arrest of 2 US Citizen employees. Later released.

The video that I switched off after 5 seconds due to feeling sick?

3 minutes ago, morrobay said:

In this video it all starts with ICE pushing the girl filming into the snow off the road.

But pushing the girl to the ground is bad police protocol.

Police normally don't try to push people to the ground. They try to handcuff them maybe if they want to arrest them, but that's not normal police protocol. She was just standing there.

I am beginning to think the government cut corners on training these ICE officers and that's what the real problem is. They do not have sufficient training to do police work, it seems to me. Maybe they needed to hire too many agents in a short amount of time without proper training.

Just now, JerryM said:

So maybe knowing that 'mistakes' may be captured on protester video will lead the ICE-folks to be a smidgen more careful.

As far as my history with you, the only thing near certain is, if I answer a question, there will be another question.

Your history with me? As far as I know, I have asked you one question, and that was about whether you condoned the behavior of the people "protesting" ICE in a church.

I don't think I asked you anything in this thread, you jumped in on a question I asked someone else, which you refused to answer as well.

Again, asking questions back and forth is a discussion, if you're not here for that, just keep cut-and-pasting.

1 hour ago, Dan O said:

perhaps you should educate yourself to the actual shootings done and what the victims where actually doing. Law enforcement officers are trained or supposed to be on laws , conduct and crowd control among other areas that dont seem to be in place

No need for me to educate myself as I have no intention of participating , as you and your ilk have repeatedly claimed , their training is lacking, and crowd control is non existent,, There really is no better or clearer reason to keep well away if I can understand that with my allegedly low IQ why can't these idiots

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

But pushing the girl to the ground is bad police protocol.

Police normally don't try to push people to the ground. They try to handcuff them maybe if they want to arrest them, but that's not normal police protocol.

I am beginning to think they cut corners on training these ICE officers and that's what the real problem is. They do not have sufficient training to do police work, it seems to me.

How much video do we see before the girl (woman?) is pushed to the ground?

I think all on-duty law enforcement should wear cameras in this day and age.

6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

I am beginning to think the government cut corners on training these ICE officers and that's what the real problem is. They do not have sufficient training to do police work, it seems to me. Maybe they needed to hire too many agents in a short amount of time without proper training.

Another reason not to intimidate them, simple really , no thinking required on behalf of the protestors

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Again, asking questions back and forth is a discussion, if you're not here for that, just keep cut-and-pasting.

Asking questions is fine. Up until the point where it comes off more as interrogation is not. When someone answers a question and the follow up is You didn't answer my question then that's where I stop.

3 hours ago, JerryM said:

So you didn't see the part where Bovino goes in to take a piss (the US variety not UK) and asks if they were American citizens.

correct , no flies on you sherlock

35 minutes ago, JerryM said:

The video of which you watched 5 seconds took place at a Target where the ICE gang led by Greg Bovino himself went to use the restrooms. Target stores esp. in MN HQ state are not locations to be avoided. The encounter resulted in the arrest of 2 US Citizen employees. Later released.

why on earth would that interest me, two people wrongly arrested and subsequently released wow.....just wow bet its never happened anywhere before

3 hours ago, xylophone said:

Poor boy........what a sheltered life you must have lived. No doubt your mummy can give you some medicine to calm your stomach.

no mummy's in heaven with the dead protestors , if they were allowed in

4 minutes ago, JerryM said:

Asking questions is fine. Up until the point where it comes off more as interrogation is not. When someone answers a question and the follow up is You didn't answer my question then that's where I stop.

Yet here you are.

So, tell me about our history, you've only posting here for a couple weeks, yes?

3 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

why on earth would that interest me, two people wrongly arrested and subsequently released wow.....just wow bet its never happened anywhere before

Only because as you said later about places to be avoided but this was Target Storee.

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Yet here you are.

So, tell me about our history, you've only posting here for a couple weeks, yes?

Oh. I've been outed.

8 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Another reason not to intimidate them, simple really , no thinking required on behalf of the protestors

they seem poorly trained to me.

and i wouldn't go a mile close to them.

1 minute ago, JerryM said:

Oh. I've been outed.

Bob?

1 hour ago, JerryM said:

Note: The right to protest is protected by the First Amendment, which guarantees freedom of speech and peaceful assembly, not the Second Amendment. The 2nd Amendment is the right to bear arms.

is there not an "amendment" or a mention in the constitution warning about the possibilities of getting shot ? obviously there should be considering the availability of guns and the idiots who take them to protests like this (whether legal or not)

Just now, JerryM said:

Oh. I've been outed.

Your sexual orientation never crossed my mind.