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On 9/14/2016 at 10:31 AM, SOTIRIOS said:

...sounds like a settling of accounts....

Sounds more like a robbery to me. Restaurant makes money, some low life doesn't have enough of it and tries to take it by force from a hard working restaurant owner.

1 minute ago, ClutchClark said:

 

My point exactly. 

 

The Autopsy Report. 

 

The officer made split second decisions (which is how long it takes to get shot) based on the "knowns" and "unknowns" in the field. Anyone with even a shred of experience can see the toxicology report would come back positive. Even if it didn't, the suspects erratic behavior was sufficient grounds to increase the threat risk.

 

The autopsy has absolutely nothing to do with the real time decisions made in the field. YOU ARE MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING.

 

And it could have been 15 shots...it does not matter in the least the number of shots it takes to nuetralize a threat.

You keep talking about a "threat". Noble was never a threat to anyone. He was just a teenager caught up in situation he thought he could talk himself out of.

As for 'split second decisions' it's ludicrous to suggest there were any of those. The first 55 seconds comprises of the cops shouting at Noble to let them see his hands. But you can clearly see that he already obeyed that order and at 1:11 got out of the vehicle without carrying anything. He then walks out calmly into the open and away from the cops. That can hardly be considered to be confrontational.

When he walks towards the cops he's told to get down on the ground which he doesn't do. And for that 'crime' the cop with the pistol shoots him twice and he falls to the ground.

Why didn't they Taser him if they thought he was still a threat? Instead a copy shoots him again with what sounds like a pistol. A few seconds after that, another cop shoots him with what looks like a shotgun or a rifle. All the while the only thing the cops are saying to him is 'get yer hands up'.

I don't know at what point he actually died, but I assume it wasn't long.

27 minutes ago, BuaBS said:

32 C ?? That's like 11 months of the year in Thailand . You get it for a couple of days and it's september so you know it won't last. We're sweating here 'till december or januari .

Yes I know that, but you have the benefit of airco in Thailand.

We can't escape it here especially at night.

4 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

Yes, the guy MAY have been in considerable pain. The guy also MAY have been simply grazed and in no pain. Furthermore, the suspect was under the influence of drugs...this is readily apparent to anyone with a shred of intelligence on such matters. Drugs can have a significant effect on blocking signals of pain and it has long been known in law enforcement circles that a suspect under drugs not only can act irrational but can also display much greater strength and resiliance to pain compared to a sober person. 

 

As for the number of shots fired by the officer, you are living under a fallacy if you think two shots is unjust.  

 

100% of the outcome of this suspects shooting lie with the decisions made by the suspect...every decision he made was the wrong decision IF his goal was to remain alive. That would be equally true if you had made the same decisions in the same circumstances.

Not MAY, was. The autopsy report confirms he was hit with injuries to his small and large intestines, his right lung, kidney and liver. I think it's safe to say he was in pain.

Also, had he just been 'grazed' as you suggest it's hardly likely that he would have fallen to the ground and instead would have clutched at the wound in the same way that anyone does when suddenly confronted by pain in a part of their body.

The autopsy also revealed he was over the drink driving limit and had traces of cocaine in his system. But that wouldn't have been apparent to the officers who shot him since they didn't perform a breathalyser test and were never near enough to him to have been able to smell alcohol on his breath.

Also, it wasn't two shots, but four. You need to watch the video again if you think otherwise.

1 hour ago, ClutchClark said:

 

I am sorry but you really don't understand a thing.

 

A man intent on shooting a cop can continue to carry out that objective when wounded.ergo, he continues to be a threat.

Don't be ridiculous. Noble was never intent on shooting anybody. He was just an innocent teenager who was afraid of being nicked for being over the drink driving limit and was perhaps a little foolish for thinking he could talk his way out of it.

Can we set up a Go Fund Me page to help this guy out? https://www.gofundme.com/

Would the Thai courts accept payment from a third party for the debt the guy has accumulated?

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No, I did not ask you. Look at the post I quoted.

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No, I did not ask you. Look at the post I quoted.

Apologies stevenl, I've amended my original post.

On 9/5/2016 at 11:18 AM, jamesbrock said:

8 years in a Thai prison while going through the Thai (in)justice system because of a debt he owes the Dutch government - is there something I'm missing?? 

Never mind.

41 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Who are you to judge others on this. Accuse them of being biased, of not understanding a thing, when to some it will be your bias that is clouding your judgement and you not understanding.

 

We all have our opinions, and they will differ on subjects like this, but judging, no.

Apologies, didn't check name before posting.

9 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

 

The cops had body cams. They were in the wide open. Their instructions were VERY clear. You can clearly hear it in their voice that they did not want to shoot the guy anymore. By the time the shell casing of the second shot hit the ground the officer with the shotgun was on the radio calling for emergency services. 

Its unfortunate but the suspect clearly escalated the situation so far by trying to act like he had a weapon. You can't just walk up and "take a look" and risk getting shot yourself. If they would have stayed back and behind cover the guy could have gotten back in the truck and become a threat to the public. There are endless hypotheticals.

 

Lastly, for fuks sake, it was only confirmed that he was unarmed AFTER THE FACT. The suspect was clearly trying to indicate he had a firearm to several, SEVERAL police with weapons drawn, clearly and repeatedly telling him to get on the ground. 

 

You can't just say "But.... But.... he was unarmed!" without context. 

Shooting a wounded man lying on the ground two more times can hardly be considered to be justified. The guy may have been in considerable pain and incapable of obeying an order to raise his hands.

Go lie prostrate on the ground yourself and then try to look behind you while you're facing the opposite direction. It's almost impossible to do. Now imagine that you're lying there with two bullets in your body. Even if you had a gun, you'd be unlikely to be able to aim it properly.

As for the events leading up to that moment, the victim can hardly be considered to be have been a threat because he walked out into the open when he got out of the truck. Anyone with a weapon would more likely have dived for cover behind the vehicle.

Dylan Thomas was executed: no two ways about it. And the trigger happy cops who performed the execution need to face the full extent of the law.

Just now, ClutchClark said:

 

Your looking at it all wrong.

 

The black guy in the video decided to commit suicide by cop.

 

I'm not talking about the 13 year old. I'm referring to Dylan Thomas, the guy who was driving a pickup. See post #20 on page 1.

Just now, ClutchClark said:

 

You are certainly allowing your bias cloud your judgement and thats the luxury you have by being behind your computer screen rather than in the real world situation this officer lives in every day.

 

Your very first paragraph here shows you completely misread the  situation and your assumption an individual under the influence of drugs and acting erratically is going to behave in a crrtain manner is completely naive.

Every cop faces danger every day of their lives and they get paid handsomely for it, but that doesn't give them a licence to act as judge, jury and executioner.

How was your stay at the Duangjit Resort & Spa Mr. Prayuth? Arrive by tuk-tuk did you?

On 9/16/2016 at 5:56 AM, shirtless said:

They are thieves send them to jail for 10 years , lowlifes of the first water.

But first a little 'attitude adjustment'.

"In transit" means what it says. It could be located in a container on an aircraft somewhere, or it's arrived in the destination country but hasn't been scanned into the system yet.

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Obama should reword that to read: "Americans are woefully unfit to vote".

Large tax cuts (for the rich no doubt) but double the military spending budget. That'll do wonders for the deficit.

It's cooled down to normal temperatures in the Netherlands now, but last week saw temperatures reaching 32C which is unknown for September. It was so hot one night that I was seriously considering getting up at 3.00am and checking into an airconditioned room for the rest of the night.

The apartment block I live in was built in 1985 and is well insulated. Unfortunately that helps to retain the heat which built up over several days and even now it's still 26C in here. A bit better than the 29C temp from last week, but still way too hot for me.

15 hours ago, JaiLai said:

All the good seats on emirates are long gone 48 hours before most of their flights.

I've flown Emirates many times and have always found plenty of seats available on their A380.

9 hours ago, ClutchClark said:

 

After an armed individual has refused an officers direct order then the officer...or anyone...has every right to conclude that person intends to do the officer harm and the officer has every right to stay alive.

 

The armed assailant had adozen opportunities to change his course of action and chose not to. 

 

An officer does not have to stop and ask after every shot if the assailant has by chance changed his mind and no longer wants to shoot.

 

What would you do if someone was intending to shoot you? Would you be concerned for his welfare or that your kids grew up with a father?

What makes you think the victim was intending to shoot anyone? I don't see him taking an aggressive stance like diving for cover behind the truck like you would expect anyone with a weapon to do.

Regardless of that fact, having been shot twice and lying prostrate on the ground what right did the cops have to shoot him two more times? He was no danger to anyone at that point.

His only crime was that he was a bit too cocky for his own good and thought he could talk his way out of the situation. The autopsy report revealed that he was over the limit for drink driving and there were traces of cocaine in his system. That I imagine was he main concern and not wanting to go to jail, did his best to present himself in a non-threatening manner.

On 9/13/2016 at 4:05 AM, xineohp said:

Noted within this article...  Nowhere does it state he was a nazi. Not all SS members were card carrying members of the nazi party.

Evidence has yet to be provided to the court that he did anything other than those stated duties.

How easy it is to make accusations and assume guilt by association. 

No doubt our American friend will not be able to contain himself and come back with the usual wornout response.

 

 

Kapos who were themselves prisoners but who collaborated with the Nazis were considered even more violent than the German guards. Same goes for the Ukranians. http://www.topix.com/forum/world/germany/T0J4FSVI7INBVRLBS

I would imagine that pax can still select a seat during online check-in which is usually 48 hrs prior to departure.

Most people I know use that option.

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