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So you only know of chapter one in a long line of medical knowledge leaps over the 14 decades since Koch postulated. Nobody knew viruses existed when Koch sat down to write his theories. It shouldn't take that long for you to catch up with medical knowledge. But.... we all know you never will. I often wonder why people close their minds... something wrong upstairs, I believe. Koch had to amend his third postulate when he learned of asymptomatic infections. Table 1. Koch’s postulates 1890 1. The parasite occurs in every case of the disease in question and under circumstances which can account for the pathological changes and clinical course of the disease. 2. The parasite occurs in no other disease as a fortuitous and non-pathogenic parasite. 3. After being fully isolated from the body and repeatedly grown in pure culture, the parasite can induce the disease anew. He applied these principles to other infectious diseases: “The proof has been fulfilled in a number of diseases, anthrax, cholera, tuberculosis, tetanus, and many animal diseases.” Importantly, Koch recognized that it was not always possible to satisfy his third criterion: In accordance with this hypothesis, we must then consider as parasitic a number of diseases in which it has not yet been possible—or only in an incomplete manner—to infect experimental animals and to prove the third part of the rules. To these diseases belong typhoid fever, diphtheria, leprosy, relapsing fever, Asiatic cholera. In his day, because infections in the absence of antibacterial drugs were usually of great severity, little attention was paid to non-pathogenic commensals, subclinical infections, or to asymptomatic carriers. These now commonplace aspects of infections constitute many of the exceptions to Koch’s postulates. But others have emerged so that Koch’s postulates have been reported as outdated or unfit for purpose. From: https://hekint.org/2022/09/22/kochs-postulates-revisited/ Your hero recognized the flaw in his postulates. It's time you did as well. It's also time to realize that so far your 'research' has misinformed you instead educating you.

LOL you must be on the spectrum perseverating about one silly notion, over and over and over....

No debate possible when you're fixated on theories (postulates to you) that were superseded by later discoveries. All you've presented is denial, denial, denial of anything other than untested thought experiments from the 1880's. Go back to contemplating your navel.

I'm really hoping they're working on an anti-vaxer vaccine so the world won't be so bothered by those pests.

Just an ill formed opinion by a layman who's fixated beyond belief. Medical science is beyond you so you continually try to over simplify it to something you can understand. There is almost certainly more that researchers don't understand than what they do. That's not something to blame them for. It is what it is. In the meantime science has found treatments that alleviate suffering. That doesn't meant they are looking for the real cause or a real solution. That notion is completely fabricated by you. The profit motive, while not perfect is what works. Unfortunately, it works for the kooks too. Look at Alex Jones former empire. Look at Jim and Tammy Faye Baker. More kooks than you can 'shake a stick at'!

It's hard to believe that a grandmotherly looking figure like Dr. Humphries is full of it. But, she is. I'm sure a few AN posters are gonna say... but, but, but.... .her book is a best seller. Yes, sadly BS still sells well particularly in the wellness category; almost as well as the BS about cosmetics. If sanitation and hygiene were largely responsible, those two factors would have led to similar consequence for most if not all of the nasty diseases that killed so many. Here's the calendar of when several diseases almost disappeared in USA.... yellow fever:1905, polio:1979, smallpox:1980, measles:2000, neonatal tetanus:2000, congenital rubella:2004, respiratory diptheria:2009. If vaccines "don’t really work and it is just sanitation and hygiene", then why aren’t the dates that these diseases are eradicated or controlled all the same? Still not convinced.... ask yourself why better sanitation and hygiene only prevents chickenpox in countries that routinely use the chickenpox vaccine?

.... and humanity has discovered how nature's immunity works and how to invoke it without going through the hassle of getting sick..... But, go ahead and blindly follow your 1880's mentor, while ignoring later medical experts. You're new screen name is more appropriate than your original. Owls are deemed wise and you're not.

Another problem with that article... based on shaky data: The hazy data on vaccinations Texas vaccine data typically comes with caveats because it is anything but complete. Even Truveta’s vaccine data doesn’t reflect statewide totals since they only access medical records kept by five major health systems in Texas: AdvanetHealth in Central Texas; Baylor Scott & White in Central Texas and Dallas-Fort Worth area; Providence, which operates in El Paso Lubbock and Waco; and Memorial Hermann and CommonSpirit, both in Houston. Together, they represent 90 hospitals and associated ambulatory/outpatient clinics. Most states automatically record every immunization given unless the patient decides to opt out of the reporting. Of the 64 immunization registries operating in the United States, 43 have immunization records of all patients unless that patient specifically opts out. But Texas is in the minority. Patients, or their parents, if they are a minor, have their vaccination data automatically excluded from the state’s immunization registry unless they specifically opt in. So it’s not clear what percentage of Texans are included in the state’s immunization data. From:https://www.texastribune.org/2025/05/22/texas-measles-babies-vaccine/ The count of oversights in the article is mounting. So many now that it can no longer can be attributed to innocent errors.

No such addressing of the concerns I raised in the VigilantFox propaganda. And... they provide no additional references to check the 'sources' they used. I have to call your reply a fabrication. In fact... I see they do provide links to other sources but not in the typical fashion at the bottom of the article. However... one of the links they give effectively shoots down their layman's opinion. Here's the relevant quote from a source they claim to have used: To prevent outbreaks from spreading within a community, there needs to be a vaccination rate of 95%, according to the CDC. Below that threshold, a community's herd immunity can begin to erode. In Gaines County, Texas, the epicenter of the outbreak in that state and where measles is still spreading, the kindergarten vaccination rate against measles is just under 82%. .... and.... In a population where no one is vaccinated, a single person sick with measles could go on to infect up to 18 others on average. By comparison, when 82% of a population is vaccinated, a sick person would infect about 2 to 3 other unvaccinated people on average. Don't forget that the NPR article only states the average number of infections from a single infected person. Because the measles virus is extremely infectious, the average isn't a very helpful number due to random variance in human behaviour/relationships. From: https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/05/09/nx-s1-5393762/measles-math-what-to-know-about-1-001-measles-cases-across-the-country

Far too many posters on these 'medical' threads are nothing more than a skin bag filled with logical fallacies.

I was recently looking for flights to/from Las Vegas and was surprised to find that you can also make good connections between CNX and ONT. For some reason, I had previously ignored that possibility. IIRC the fare differences are minimal.

Two typical mindless sycophant's response aided and abetted by severe siloing and laziness. A couple of minutes reading and you would at least have the opportunity to understand why the three vaccines are administered together.... sad that such low information constituents are given a vote.

It seems like rational thought isn't your forte. The article you linked to also does a very careless analysis. They try to make a point but their data analysis fails. They would need to analyze the vaccination rates of the precise community where the outbreaks occured. Using the state's average vaccination rate is seriously flawed. Also missing is the timing of the surge in vaccinations compared to the timing of the outbreak. Obviously, VigilantFox people aren't real journalists.... they're propagandists. And you fell for it!

Mankind has been bending your goddess nature to fit our needs and desires since we adopted any form of language. Face it... you're all mixed up about science and nature. Try to keep your train of thought on the rails.

And in Yellowstone National Park they have signs that say.... "Do not approach wildlife." Seems like BBC knew that anti-covid people are angry and dangerous. I know, I know... that should be common sense but it doesn't do any harm to post a warning.

I guess he must be another owl that sees all, then. Mr. Red hasn't signed in since Tuesday.

I love thought experiments.... Do you have a cat that laughs? I guess even the cat knows you're such a silly human. Here's an analogy to yours. Find a human even dumber than you and tell him that even though he can't see it, can't hear it, can't smell it, can't touch it but there's something in the wire that will kill him. Then hand him two bare wires connected to the grid and carefully observe his reaction. PS.... don't forget this is only intended as a thought experiment. Oh yeah.... and don't forget to wear a white lab coat.

Congratulations! You've put together the longest continuous outpouring of medical nonsense ever seen on AN. In your future I can see you loudly complaining that "there's a fact in my topic.... I dare not read it".

You have a very rich fantasy life. Somehow you think there's a conspiracy of many 10's of thousands of doctors, researchers, insurance companies, bureaucrats...... LOL.... how do they keep a lid on that big of ripoff scheme.... KISS involved here. Occam's razor too .... LOL.

The crown of foolishness is yours for sure. If you had a mirror that was just a bit taller, I'm sure you'd see it. Your only 'evidence' is by other misfits, conmen and kooks or 140 year old theories that the author had to seriously amend after clearly seeing their flaws. Oh well... every chat room needs a court jester. I think your running joke has run out of steam... time to relax and read some non-fiction.

It seems AN's most prolific troll has fallen into the "twisty little maze of passages"* and is incapable of finding a path back to civilization. Many have entered but few returned. * see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure

I think Ukraine's relentless attack on the Kremlin's wallet has taken its toll. Their finances as so bad now that they probably had to fire Red Phoenix. He's been AWOL for more than 25 hours now.

you must be a dumpster diver.... you sure can find the most putrid trash out there

Providing facts hardly ever makes the faux outrage go away.

Because of the extremely high transmissibility of measles, a small change in the level of contact between unvaccinated and infected persons can produce a large increase in cases. The mathematical term that applies is variance. Being a professional gambler for 25 years, I am very aware of the effects of high variance. The high variance makes imputing the cause of an outbreak from only the case count impossible.