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If only the cops would do their job.....but...the truth is that they don't know how to police.....period!!

The police are holding back at the direction of the gov't.

The gov't is well aware that the first baton on head will bring on a coup.

Remember that the army are out to protect the prostesters-- from who?

I am no lover of the Thai police- but they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

actually they are just damned all the time. As for being trustworthy, wasnt it a policeman that shot the protesters the other day and had to be subdued, yeh, real trustworthy for red sympathizers and ptp scum

Wouldn't be at all surprised- Compare that to the Ukraine- to Egypt- you would prefer the police to bring in the iron boot?

If a policeman shot a protester in cold blood- then I will be the first to demand he be charged with murder.

And --"ptp scum'-- ?

The people who vote PTP with its promise (however poorly thought out and incompetently delivere) to empower the poor are scum? Deluded, maybe- but-- scum?

Yeah- the profile of the Suthep loving farang just became a bit more apparent.

THese fools are threatening the Thai Army? Trying to pull a little exortion on Prayuth.

Well- they want a coup-- maybe method in their madness.

If only the cops would do their job.....but...the truth is that they don't know how to police.....period!!

Cos it's too much hard work for them.

If there's no financial gain involved, they just aint interested.

ON this occasion- that what you say is not true. There are other reasons for the police inaction.

But it is true that with all this, the police are less trusted than ever, the army seen as rogue, the courts and agencies as abritrary at best-- democracy surrendered to the mob--

- these are the markings of a failed state.

Without trust in central institutions, no state can survive- welcome to the jungle.

Army chief Prayuth Chan-ocha has ordered deployment of army forces near polling stations and sporadic patrols on tollways as requested by the anti-government People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC).

This tells you all you need to know.

The army is taking requests- if not orders - from a group formenting illegal regime change. (if not all out civil war).

Regardless of political sympathy, this should frighten everyone here.

This is the rule of law that Suthep wants to see inaugurated in Thailand- where the army remains a law unto itself?

If only the cops would do their job.....but...the truth is that they don't know how to police.....period!!

The police are holding back at the direction of the gov't.

The gov't is well aware that the first baton on head will bring on a coup.

Remember that the army are out to protect the prostesters-- from who?

I am no lover of the Thai police- but they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

IF the shit hits the fan in the next few days, can red shirts be guaranteed appropriate care in a public hospital?

Did they ballot the members to come to this decision?

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No, of course not. That would be democracy, which is what they're opposed to.
One good thing about the present crisis is that it has exposed how deeply the anti-democracy cancer has spread through Thai society. When the time comes for real reform the elected government of the Thai people will know exactly who raised their hand against democracy and can deal with them accordingly.

I really don't like what is going on here. Leaders of organisations are just speaking on behalf of thousands of members. Everyone talks of red shirt intimidation in villages, and how thick farmers may or may not be.

Just look and listen to the supposed intelligent ones. Its like animal farm brought to reality with a bit of lord of the flies thrown in.

The hypocrisy is terrifying, and no one dare to ask?

Who do you think you are speaking on my behalf? 3rd world farmers I can maybe grasp, but this lot pretending to be intelligent?

Davos 2015

'but you have to understand- the Shinawatres were BAD people'."

Obama you understand don't you? I am Democrat same as you- I SUPPORTED the vote.

Now walk away, why?

Obi?

anybody?

Somebody issued orders to assassinate another protest leader, so one can well understand the PDRC's poi

Really? Who put out the order?

OK- you aren't sure- but you are sure an order was put out.

Uhmmm-- yeah.

Prove it was a random shooting then

I don't know if it was random- or if it was planned.

But you have stated that someone put out an order.

What was the order? Who put it out? Who carried it through?

don't know?

Then--- admit that it's just your imagination talking.

Somebody issued orders to assassinate another protest leader, so one can well understand the PDRC's poi

Really? Who put out the order?

OK- you aren't sure- but you are sure an order was put out.

Uhmmm-- yeah.

ignore him - hes not red. yellow or any colour - just as you say "a troll"

A well reasoned and substantive post that contributes a great deal to our understanding of the problems currently besetting this land.

Not!

Why not respond to the points he made instead of dismissing him as a troll (and if you have followed his posts, you would know that while you might disagree, he is as convicted in his perspective as you are in yours). Who is the troll?

I am so glad Abhisit is now listening to Yingluck rather than Suthep and has decided to back down. Let's hope others follow his sensible example

Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand

He isn't listening to Yingluck- he is listening to the American Ambassador- because he knows full well that when he becomes PM (after the courts have finished 'doing their job') that he will have to engage with grown ups.

He looks more and more like Mussolini every day

Yes - nut unlike the one in Dubai - he does not act like him!! Only to remove him!! Your Churchill looked quite bombastic too!!

I was wondering how long it would be before someone started chanting Dubai, and one assumes, blowing a whistle between chants.

And there i was wondering how long it would take some clown to bring up the Mussolini connection yet again.

Suthep has stated that his proposed council of good people, some drawn from various sectors of the economy, some appointed on basis of merit, could be in place for 2 years. After two years of gov't by good men, do you think they will simply retire and permit the popular will to once more threaten the status quo that they so assiduously defend?

If they do not retire and return the gov't to popular will (Thida & co) how will the political system be different from the Grand Council of Rome?

He looks more and more like Mussolini every day

Yes - nut unlike the one in Dubai - he does not act like him!! Only to remove him!! Your Churchill looked quite bombastic too!!

Churchill was a genius in many ways, both as a writer, politician and war leader but, as with many geniuses, he lacked ability in his personal life.

Can't see history, even here, regarding Suthep as a genius in any aspect of his life.

The true genius on the yellow side of the divide was Sondhi L. He took a personal grievance with thaksin and pressed all the right buttons- (accusations of republicanism, massive corruption, and ethnicity - as in People of Chinese Descent Saving Thailand.)

His proposed style of government tapped into a yearning among many for the 'good old days' when good men ruled and the people were happy.

Rice in the paddy, fish in the streams, etc

He also appealed to xenophobia, to authoritarian instincts, to the respect that many Thais have for blind submission to hierarchy.

He touched all the bases- and like him or not, he deserves credit of some kind because this is PAD writ larger than even in 2005.

My post was patronizing, pedantic and as you say, out of order. I do apologize Khunken

The divisiveness started (which he deliberately ignored) in 2001 when Thaksin had his acolyte Sanoh and his wife ensure that his dishonest assets declaration was acceptable. It has got worse ever since.

I think you will find with only a cursory reading of Thai history that the divisions you refer to are much older than Thaksin.

Or are you suggesting that prior to Thaksin there was equitable distribution of wealth, access to justice, and opportunity- ?

And then Thaksin came along and created from this Valhalla a nation with rampant inequities in all aspects.?

You know the term 'historical revisionism'?

How about 'reactionary'?

Maybe while you educate yourself you might want to check the definition of feudalism- and figure out how it legitimized. (or was in other places).

Maybe take a gander at the political system that Mussolini proposed-

Maybe you should read the TV rules first - don't edit or snip other's posts.

If you read my previous post and know anything about Thailand's current crisis - you would know that the divisive issue is pro or anti Thaksin. The division of wealth is a separate issue (which I didn't address) & has indeed been with the country for decades (if not millenia) and has not changed under Thaksin.

Maybe you should educate YOURself and look up autocracy, Dictatorship and even how feudalism exists throughout Isan (as well as the rest of the country), Thaksin's power base.

Any poster that has to resort to stupid references to Mussolini or Benito or Fascism or terrorism (which anti-protestors do ad infinitum) - displays either an ignorance of the names/terms or ignorance of the current state of the social strata of Thailand. It's a complex set of issues that few, especially yourself, seem to understand.

The divisiveness started (which he deliberately ignored) in 2001 when Thaksin had his acolyte Sanoh and his wife ensure that his dishonest assets declaration was acceptable. It has got worse ever since.

I think you will find with only a cursory reading of Thai history that the divisions you refer to are much older than Thaksin.

Or are you suggesting that prior to Thaksin there was equitable distribution of wealth, access to justice, and opportunity- ?

And then Thaksin came along and created from this Valhalla a nation with rampant inequities in all aspects.?

You know the term 'historical revisionism'?

How about 'reactionary'?

Maybe while you educate yourself you might want to check the definition of feudalism- and figure out how it legitimized. (or was in other places).

Maybe take a gander at the political system that Mussolini proposed-

So, anything not true in this letter?

yes everything in between "Dear Sir" and "Yours Sincerely"

For instance?

Ahh think the 5th Amendment may have been exercised on this post and that is your democratic right...

Sent from my Brain

The constitution has been amended? What is the 5th ammendment you refer to?

So, anything not true in this letter?

About 95%... ANY offers lower than an Ace double?

What is not true?

That your user name is a reflection of the people of Thailand. That is clearly not true. ....... plus all the crap written in the OP letter. My apologies, that's 2 things untrue. Raise you.... I got dealt a '3'.......

atta boy- throw your pudding at him ... that'll learn him not to interrupt your tantrum with reason.

Sutthep is the front man for the senior military officers, senior civil servants and senior judges in collaboration with business dynasties who have lost out under the rise of PTP and its previous pseudonyms.

Correct and succinctly put.

If we could all start from that assumption (which in my estimation is fact) there could be real dialogue. Sadly too many think that the upper echelon support for this has something to do with Thaksin's character.

pathetic

the Nation is digging pretty deep - trying to keep their agenda on track-

Becasuse the Nation has so blatantly supported the protests- could they fear that as the protest fizzles out, they will have lost a lot of credibility?

Maybe publishing crap like this is a desperate attempt not just to 'win'-- but to survive.

Mind you, theNation also published the announcements of caretaker MoFA and ex-CAPO chief Surapong on "so many country supports us"

You think that publishing a decontextualized two line quote from a gov't official is the same as publishing a political tract from a nobody?

What next- The Nation as the voice of reason and impartiality? Truth and Reason?

C'mon Rubl- you are smart- I know that but you know full well that the Nation is devoted to the establishment.- and their publishing this boring crap just proves what most know. (regardless of color divide)

TheNation just published the full text of private citizen Noppadon's letter to the UN. What more do you want?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/700395-noppadons-letter-to-un-sec-gen/

Playing games huh Rubl?

That was a response to a letter sent by/from Suthep. You know that.,

It would probably not have been printed were it not from some lingering sense of media resonsibility in the hallo'd halls of Nationmultimedia.

I appeal to your intelligence here: would the Nation publish a news item on the beating of a red in a village?

Would they report a beating of a yellow in the same village?

We both know the answer. (No problem really- my favorite media sources have clear biases-) but let's call a spade a spade.

as you admit you are confused,please allow me to set you straight.The Opposistion have no chance of winning the election, because the Northern masses are sucked in by populist policys and only vote for the money not for Democracy. Start spreading the News.

Uh huh.

And you know of societies where voting is not based on self interest do you?

Let me guess- Heaven- in Heaven people vote selflessly-- right?

Dangerous thinking jonestown boy.

A lesson in democratic principles seems in order.

And again I ask- name a society where the citizens do NOT vote on the basis of self interest?"

O wait- I get it- the society where people don't vote is the society that people do not vote for self interest.

That explains your reasoning- deny the vote and you will get rid of that most horrible aspect of electoral democrary- self interest.

WOW.

pathetic

the Nation is digging pretty deep - trying to keep their agenda on track-

Becasuse the Nation has so blatantly supported the protests- could they fear that as the protest fizzles out, they will have lost a lot of credibility?

Maybe publishing crap like this is a desperate attempt not just to 'win'-- but to survive.

Mind you, theNation also published the announcements of caretaker MoFA and ex-CAPO chief Surapong on "so many country supports us"

You think that publishing a decontextualized two line quote from a gov't official is the same as publishing a political tract from a nobody?

What next- The Nation as the voice of reason and impartiality? Truth and Reason?

C'mon Rubl- you are smart- I know that but you know full well that the Nation is devoted to the establishment.- and their publishing this boring crap just proves what most know. (regardless of color divide)

as you admit you are confused,please allow me to set you straight.The Opposistion have no chance of winning the election, because the Northern masses are sucked in by populist policys and only vote for the money not for Democracy. Start spreading the News.

Uh huh.

And you know of societies where voting is not based on self interest do you?

Let me guess- Heaven- in Heaven people vote selflessly-- right?

Dangerous thinking jonestown boy.

Looks very sensible to me - by the way February 2nd I can vote - how many of YOU can really CHANGE ANYTHING HERE? OH............and no one will be buying MY vote - I will be giving it freelyto the side i see as the best choice. Very sad voters in the Northeast will be shepherded into the voting booths and watched. IM THAI I KNOW!!

I'm confused- you support the position of the letter writer- who comes from a party that demands that you NOT vote- supported by demos seeking to deny your right to vote-- and yet you plan to defy them and go vote anyway. And you seem to support the demos having permitted yhou that right by shutting down polling stations. You know why foreigners say thai logic is-- uhh- different?

Maybe your thinking is emblematic of much of the problems in YOUR country.

as you admit you are confused,please allow me to set you straight.The Opposistion have no chance of winning the election, because the Northern masses are sucked in by populist policys and only vote for the money not for Democracy. Start spreading the News.

Sorry- still confused== there is no significant opposition running in this election. The demos that you apparantly support, will harass you should you even try to vote. Yet you support the right of the demos to deny you your right to vote? And then go on to say that you intend to defy the fascists and vote anyway- while finding common cause with those who seek to deny your rigtht to do so.

The word 'crazy' mean anything to you?

And that is why I choose the Dems, over the Thaksinista,s.

Great- Feb 2nd go vote for them...

put your support into action.

All ready to take a truck load to vote for Suthep,whats your plan?

you are planning to vote for Suthep on Feb 2nd.? Why are you on this forum?

Just one more opportunity to look like a raving idiot?