ExpatOilWorker

2 hours ago, mistral53 said:

If they make it to Thailand, prices In Thailand will be significantly higher, because Xiaomi has no plans to build a factory in Thailand, which removes some incentives the Thai government gave companies like BYD and Deepal etc. But in China this will have an impact - in an already very crowded segment of EV models.

 

From what I read, Xiaomi has their sights on Europe as they compare their top model with the likes of the Porsche Tycan.

Xiaomi don't even have a factory in China. They hired an ex-BMW developer to slap together a design and then they asked a state owned company, BAIC group to build it. It will be loaded with spy 🕵️‍♂️ ware.

If you as much as mumble Tiananmen square, it will auto collide with the nearest power pole at top speed. 

7 hours ago, mistral53 said:

Xiaomi SU7 was introduce with prices this evening, and they rock! Converted from Chinese prices to THB: 'official price in China for the starting model 1.16 million baht, and Pro and Max models will be 1.24 - 1.52 million baht. 50,000 orders in 27 minutes after accepting orders.

 

https://carnewschina.com/2024/03/28/xiaomi-su7-launched-with-830-km-range-starts-at-29900-usd/

Does it come in petrol or diesel?

This explains why the majority of EVs are in the major cities. Wealth and EV ownership goes hand in hand.

You capitalistic greenish!

40 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

20% is still a far cry from the 97-98% market share Chinese EVs have in Thailand.

I assume the Chinese brands that are available in Europe is not the brand zoo we see here in Thailand.

The few Chinese brands that can stand the test of time against European 🇪🇺 consumer protection rights, would be the right choice of car, also here in Thailand. 

On the subject of Europe 🇪🇺. Interesting chart.

33 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

Europe is being exposed to Chinese EVs at a very healthy rate....see below 27 Mar 2024 CNBC article...see link for full story....a partial quote also below.    I expect governments in both Europe and US will continue to be lobbied hard to stem the growth as the Chinese EV manufacturers can simply produce quality EVs at a lower cost than European/US manufacturing their EVs in Europe/the US.   

 

P.S.  Today in a trip to the mother-in-laws house my 5 month old BYD Atto reached the 10,000km point....other than a few very minor issues like experiencing some squeaking front brakes for about 20 minutes right after the EV had its 3 month/5,000km point in Dec 2023, an Infotainment system glitch right after an OTA update (the glitch was cleared by simply rebooting the Infotainment system), and "squeak" in the back seat when hitting certain bumps at certain speeds (the dealership fixed that in about an hour) the Atto has been a joy to drive.  Smooth, quiet, extremely fuel efficient...most any potential customer should like that.   European/US car manufacturers have very good reason to be afraid of Chinese EV manufacturers.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/28/china-made-vehicles-will-make-up-a-quarter-of-europes-ev-sales-this-year.html

 

 

20% is still a far cry from the 97-98% market share Chinese EVs have in Thailand.

I assume the Chinese brands that are available in Europe is not the brand zoo we see here in Thailand.

The few Chinese brands that can stand the test of time against European 🇪🇺 consumer protection rights, would be the right choice of car, also here in Thailand. 

I had something similar,  dry cough, burning sensation in the top of the lungs, no fever, but also no improvement. After 6 weeks I threw in the towel and took antibiotics. Almost instant improvement and 5 days later I was symptom free.

Most likely it was walking pneumonia.

I had something similar,  dry cough, burning sensation in the top of the lungs, no fever, but also no improvement. After 6 weeks I threw in the towel and took antibiotics. Almost instant improvement and 5 days later I was symptom free.

Most likely it was walking pneumonia.

On 12/23/2018 at 5:53 PM, ExpatOilWorker said:

This report is interesting (http://www.btsgroup.co.th/storage/download/sustainability/sr/bts-sd201718-en.pdf), especially the power consumption information.

 

The BTS network burns yearly through 106 million Kwh, slightly less than Paragon at 123 million Kwh.

 

Using 2.7 Kwh/carriagexkm and assuming 100 passenger per carriage gives a mileage of 37 km/Kwhxpassenger or 7.5 better than a Tesla, assuming just single occupancy.

The BTS extensions are showing up in an increase in power consumption and the BTS lines are consuming almost 0.1% of Thailand's national power output.

sd-report202223-en.pdf

13 hours ago, vinny41 said:

That snapshot from the FTI  only shows partial year not full year for 2023

For the entire last year, domestic auto sales fell 8.67 percent from a year earlier to 775,780 units, of which 30.75 percent were ICE passenger cars, 11.98 percent were HEVs, and 9.48 percent were BEVs, the statement said.

https://english.news.cn/asiapacific/20240130/66e3419a1be742708839fb1cd4ce47c6/c.html

Very well spotted, you certainly have an eye for numbers.

Also, let's not forget BEV sales in Thailand are down 35.6% y-o-y in February 2024.

15 hours ago, Pib said:

 

Are you talking about Europe on planet Earth or another planet?   Notice in the chart below the green color bars (partially or fully electric) are still getting bigger as of Jan 2024 while the brown color bars (ICEV) are getting smaller.

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/eu-new-car-sales-rise-12-yy-january-acea-2024-02-20/#:~:text=EVs - whether fully electric models,down from 53.3% in December.&text=U.S. EV pioneer Tesla (TSLA,in EU sales in January.

 

 

That is very interesting.  The Euro zone is of course a much bigger and diversed market, but also a more mature EV market. 

At 20% EV sales, Thailand is already double the EU numbers. 

Asia is generally faster at adopting new technology and Europe has not been exposed to the Chinese shock, but it could also be that Thailand has overshoot the target and sales will fall a bit, like we already saw in February. 

52 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

You certainly don't own or know much about EVs.  Ours goes from 30% to 95% in <40 mins, or the time it takes for the wife & myself to 'P', walk the dog, and get a munch.  Car is usually done (@90-95%) before or about same time we are, or we'll let it keep going, if nobody is waiting to plug in.   The last 5% does take about 20 mins, so we usually never bother waiting, unless actually doing something.

 

Frankly, I think you're an idiot if taking your EV to 20-25%, or lower, while O&A.  For us, that's 3+ hrs on the road anyway, using 60-65%, so a break is welcomed, if we even last that long.

 

Any intelligent person doesn't take it below 25%, and the largest battery (affordable) in TH is 82kWh, I think, most in the 50-60kWh range, so rarely more than 1 hr, unless very low, and topping up to 100%, and as stated, why bother with the last 5%, that's silly long for little benefit.

 

BYE BYE

 

Your MG has a battery capacity of 50.6 kWh? 😁 😂 😀 

My Bimmer has a 750 kWh power pack 💪.

2 hours ago, stratocaster said:

Last month the president of the Thailand used car association issued a memo to its members to exercise caution in accepting used EV's due to the fact that because of new car price cutting a  used EV will lose value on a daily basis. Today the head of GWM issued a warning that this year will see a price war among EV manufacturers in the Thai market. My first 32inch flat screen TV cost me 32,000 baht. One year later they were selling for 5,900 baht.

The legacy auto manufacturers will have no choice but to join the fight. Suzuki has already fired the first shot, more will follow soon.

Once the Chinese EV manufacturers start production in Thailand 🇹🇭, the auto industry will have to wake up from its slumber and offer newer, better and cheaper models.

Time to chance the name to Ital-bye 👋.

11 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Your oil industry math is totally nonsensical and illogical. Your provided data however does show that ICEVs are 11 times more likely to catch fire than EVs, that’s all.

11 is correct, congratulation, you have learned something new today. 

Now that we agree to 11, it is showing how fast the EV propaganda machine was spinning when numbers of 100+ were shared by many EVanglists.

If you can articulate what part of the math u are unable to comprehend, maybe I can educate you.

I find it odd that you shoot the messenger rather than acknowledging that the Saul Goodman lawyer have bad data on their site. Even more so since the data are false both for ICE and EV.

14 minutes ago, sirineou said:

That really looks Professional!! One thing I have never made is a layer cake.Wife's B'day is in may. I like to make her one, 

Any suggestions for a good vid on YouTube . I like to make a layer cake , so I need ti learn how to make the layers and the frosting. 

Thanks. I will ask the wife, she is the magic baker.

It was well received by birthday girl.

13 hours ago, motdaeng said:

 

are you working there? 😂😂😂

Be nice, I live in a landfill and it has the longest name in the world 🌎 🙃. 

12 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

You are transparent, I said you had an ulterior motive in asking for commitment to your stats, and guess what? You did!

 

Of course your conclusions are as contrived as your questions.

 

The stats are simple. EV’s are many times less likely you to catch fire, stop, trying to spin and twist the data, nobody is fooled, the only fool is yourself.

 

Yeah, well spotted and good fun. Now that we know you are the crust of EV intelligentsia, you should stop trying to spin and twist the data 😉 .

10x, yes agree 👍.  140x not so much.

9 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

What on earth are you talking about? The figures you quoted say absolutely nothing about the lifetime mileage of vehicles of either type.

 

They are not "off" by any multiple whatsoever, because individual vehicle longevity is not a part of what those statistics indicate.

 

You apparently don't even understand what the numbers that you quoted mean.

I take your comment is addressed to SeñorLA and his Saul Goodman lawyer. 

The numbers are not mine,  I am just doing the math.

11 hours ago, Pib said:

 

Can you walk me thru your math and provide a link(s) to the source data?   More detail on the underlying numbers and formula you used is needed. Thanks.

I am glad you asked and out of respect for the Fortuner I will happily do so.

The ICE fire number is from NTSB and based on 100,000+ fires, you can easily verify it.

The 5 EV fires/billion miles are based on about 40 Tesla fires, not a great statistically base, but it the best we have for now.

5 fires/ billion miles is equivalent to 1 fire/ 200 million miles.

Using the lawyers numbers of 3 EV fires/1000 vehicle lifetimes,  1 in 333 cars will go up in flames over its lifetime.

200 million miles/ 333 = 600,000 miles/lifetime

Similar for ICE:

(105 fires/1000 lifetime) / (56 fires/billion miles) =1,875,000 miles/lifetime

Clearly 10% of ICE vehicles don't burn and the lawyers numbers are way to high, both for EVs and ICE vehicles. 

On 3/23/2024 at 6:34 AM, KhunLA said:

 

"How Common Are Electric Car Fires?

Electric car fires are exceedingly rare. There will be only three electric car fires per 1,000 vehicles over the vehicle’s lifetime. Fuel-powered vehicles will experience fires 35 times more frequently over their lifetimes.

 

Since 2010, researchers who study vehicle fires found 200 fires in electric cars over the last 12 years. That research also studied the whole world and not just the United States. The U.S., however, had the most fires of that, 200: 52. The researchers also stated that in 20 years, the percentage of electric cars that experience fires might go up after two decades of wear and tear.

 

The number of fires has stayed constant since electric vehicles jumped from experimental status to a viable choice for people buying vehicles.

 

Are Electric Cars More Prone to Fires?

Electric cars are not more prone to catching fire than their fuel-powered counterparts. Hybrid vehicles often catch fire because they, in essence, have two engines. It’s still not common even when considering hybrid vehicles, which catch fire about 130 times for every straight-up electric car. That’s still only roughly 3,000 per 100,000 or one in a hundred vehicles over the vehicle’s life.

 

A new lithium battery is also even less prone to fires than lithium-ion batteries. It’s called the lithium iron phosphate battery. Recently, Tesla, Volkswagen, and Ford are switching to these new batteries for their newest vehicles. This will make a rare event even rarer. Still, the risk is so low that there are no plans to recall and retrofit already-produced electric vehicles. The same holds true for hybrid cars, whose fire incidence will also be drastically reduced.

 

Improvements are “coming down the pike” more and more quickly these days, so changes to the power plants of electric vehicles are inevitable. As the market changes, safety measures for these electric vehicles are bound to change along with it."

Now that we have established that the EVangelist are afraid, yes downright fear, rock solid data, let's explore the drivel they share.

SeñorLA's Saul Goodman lawyer is claiming that 3/1000 EVs and 105 ICE vehicles will burn 🔥 during their lifetime.

Combine that with solid data:

ICE: 56 fires/billion miles

EV (Tesla): 5 fires/billion miles

You get the below lifetime milage for each type of car:

ICE: 1,875,000 miles

EV: 600,000 miles 

Clearly the average car never does this many miles, the numbers are off by about x10 for ICE and x5 for EVs.

The EV hybe is based on fabricated lies and made up numbers.

SeñorLA,  you should fact check your source before sharing it, or better yet, never post about EV fires 🔥,  a subject you clearly know nothing about. 

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

I passed a transporter truck full of these on the 7 motorway this afternoon. Quirky looking little things.

They were on their way to a landfill?

51 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Why should I?

 

Why is it you need me to?

You don't have to agree to anything,  you could also provide your own data, if you have any.

Where is SeñorLA? Is he stuck in camping mode cooking burittos on the side of the road?