ExpatOilWorker

29 minutes ago, freeworld said:

I would say both regulate the volume of the flush, one is the full flush slider and the other is the half flush slider.

I think you are right. It probably acts as a stopper for the half flush, while the full flush empties the everything in the cistern. 

Sadly, the manual gloss over this detail.

Anyone know what the small min/max adjuster does?

The main adjuster #2.5 is of course to adjust the water level and thereby the the total flush volume, but it also has a  smaller #2.6 level adjuster, what is that doing?

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

They need the tax to help pay for the subsidies. It's a vicious circle!

 

"Come on EV owners you need to chip in to help pay for our fossil fuel subsidies. Yes I know we said it was for the roads but we spend nothing on roads compared to the subsidies we give to fossil fuel companies"

 

 

 

 

Let me try to explain implicit subsidy, so even you understands it.

A farmer produce a mango 🥭 for $1 + $1 in distribution and supermarket profit and we have a $2 mango 🥭. 

Evey is happy 😊,  but then the government implement a $8 mango 🥭 tax. 

$10 mangoes don't sell well and in an election year the government set up a mango fund and subsidize each mango with $4.

$6 mangoes sell well and soon the mango fund is $10 billion  in debt.

The government still got $20 in tax or $10 billion net mango tax, since they are liable for the mango fund.

That is implicit subsidy. 

Explicit subsidy is when the government pay 15,000 baht for rice it later sell for 5,000 baht.

Oil is a huge cash cow for all governments, including the Thai government taxing 30 baht diesel ⛽️. 

8 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

EV haters are always going after EV owners for not paying enough tax.

 

If all the Diesel drivers switched to EVs in Thailand we wouldn't have to subsidize Diesel to the tune of 100 billion Baht

 

You do know what Implicit subsidy is, right?

Governments around the world, including Thailand 🇹🇭 are making billions on dino juice tax, including diesel, even at the current 30 baht.

Meanwhile, closer to the subject of EVs:

Starting from January to April 2023, the Thai government earmarked THB 75 billion for electricity subsidies to soften the impact of energy prices. Discounts for electricity bills will be allocated to households that consume a maximum of 300 units of electricity per month and reside in the areas covered by the services provided under the concessions contract of the Royal Thai. 
The subsidies are distributed by the Provincial Electricity Authority (PEA) and the Metropolitan Electricity Administration (MEA).

On 4/2/2024 at 7:42 PM, narkeddiver said:

Has anyone been able to book an appointment at Chiang Mai Immigration for a Marriage Extension recently?

 

I checked just now and it looks like you can only choose Volunteer, Business, Education, Pension

Still there.

Good read.

Final sales may land at only half of the 53,000 cars booked at the Bangkok International Motor Show.

The price war is not going to end very soon," said Naruedom Mujjalinkool at Krungsri Securities.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobiles/Thai-car-production-faces-tough-year-despite-rising-EV-bookings

17 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I wonder what the ICEV will be worth in 2034, with the ongoing tech improvements, cheaper batteries and price wars of EV.   if lucky, same petrol prices in 2034, doubtful as may be a niche market then.   

 

Who would be buying, as it's a hard sell now, especially if you are one to keep your vehicle 10-20 years.   Only those that can't charge at home, or impatiently on the road all the time are avoiding EV.

 

Degradation is minimal, as I calculated <4% over our 8 yr warranty period, based on 1 yr use & degradation.

Regulations are also favoring EVs. Starting 2025 diesel cars are not allowed in Paris, Mexico City, Madrid and Athens. Already some older diesel cars have to pay an emissions tax to enter London. 

That said, I sincerely doubt that will ever happen to Bangkok. 

33 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

Just got this text from BYD (my translation from the Thai):

 

"This Songkran BYD asks to be part of your travels by bringing EV charging at a special price of THB 4/unit starting from 1800 on 11 April until 0800 on 22 April at Rever chargers nationwide. See more at https://www.reverautomotive.com"

 

สงกรานต์นี้ BYD ขอเป็นส่วนหนึ่งในการเดินทางของคุณ ร่วมเติมไฟให้การชาร์จ EV ราคาพิเศษ 4 บาท/หน่วย เริ่ม 11 เม.ย. 67 เวลา 18.00 ถึง 22 เม.ย. 67 เวลา 08.00 ที่เรเว่ชาร์จเจอร์ทั่วประเทศ ดูเพิ่มเติมที่ https://www.reverautomotive.com

 

What is happening here?

Is BYD subsidizing electricity and if so why? What is in it for BYD to hand cash back to existing customers?

Bundle "free" electricity as a sale promotion on a new car makes sense, but not after the deal is done.

I don't recall BMW ever gave me a jerrycan full of fuel!!!

37 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I think the air con is already worked into the mileage, air con is usually always running, often with the heater at the same time, purpose being dehumidification.

Extreme low speeds, less than 10 km/h, is a range killer, as per the below.

https://www.geotab.com/blog/ev-range-impact-of-speed-and-temperature/

56 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

When I got my BYD Seal 5 months ago there weren’t any English language owners posting videos, so I spent a good deal of time sitting in the car with the aircon on making videos. I can confirm that car uses very little power when not moving about 1% per hour.

 

Teslas come with a dedicated camp mode 
 

Right, so if the car is consuming 1.3 kWh for propulsion (10 km @ 7 km/kWh) and the AC is separately using 1 kWh, then the overall milage for EVs drops significantly in hot weather and slow moving Bangkok city traffic, similarly to the case of extreme cold weather and highway speed.

@Pib probably has the number, but just like ICE, EVs certainly also have a 20-80 km/h sweet spot in terms of fuel efficiency. 

Rain arrived in Koh Tao, but just enough to make the ground wet.

16 hours ago, Pib said:

 

Yea....the stats in EOW's post must have been cold winter testing.  From going to the weblink in the post it seems the testing was done in the UK but I couldn't find any details about each test like time of year and road condition when the testing was done....maybe it there somewhere but I couldn't fine it and it's not reflected in the chart.   By converting the numbers in that chart to Watthours per kilometer the Atto was using 285 Wh/km at a highway speed of 75mph (120kmh).  

 

When comparing that 285 Wh/km when cruising at 120kmh (75mph)  in -10C weather with heating on it's pretty close to the 257 Wh/km (68mph) when cruising 110kmh in  -10C weather with heating on as reflected by below efficiency data at the ev-database.org website.  I expect when speeding-up from 110kmh to 120kmh in -10C weather with heaters it would be around 285 Wh/km.

 

I'm not too worried about ever having to operate my Atto in -10C winter weather conditions here in Thailand where range drops very significantly for any EV. 

 

 

https://ev-database.org/car/1782/BYD-ATTO-3#efficiency

That is very interesting, although not relevant for Thailand, that EV range is so temperature sensitive. 

How much of an effect is Bangkok traffic and the summer ☀️ heat on the Atto 3's range?

10 km/h is not uncommon for a morning/afternoon commute. Assuming 7 km/kWh driving milage, suddenly the AC consuming 1,000 W play a big factor.

6 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Stop being sheep ? Ridiculous comment. Get to CW earlier. Last 90 day I was no.16 and out by 0915hrs. Equally easy for my annual extension, last time out by 1115hrs. Never ever had any hassle since first arriving in Thailand in 1962.

248 visits to immigration in the 62 years you have been here. Did you enjoy every single trip?

On 4/7/2024 at 2:45 PM, Can samui said:

the wife and I are on navy showers again!

You still shower???

I stopped brushing my teeth last week to save water 💧. 

We are not there yet, but we are using shower water to flush the toilet and I have a 50 m3 (almost empty) storage tank.

15 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I don't, as they're as low as they are going to get.  Make a decent enough profit on the export trade.   Make up for no or low profits as they develop market share.   They'll start being profitable, or more so, if not already, once the cost of batteries come down on their side.   Not passing on the savings, keeping as profits, to make up for the loss of, or little profits they make now.

 

Will offer better specs & range for about the same price as present models, after initial offerings, and for the same price or cheaper than comparable ICEV.   

 

Thus people will finally realize the value and advantages of EV.  They can have a better performing vehicle, that cost less to operate, and will last longer with less maintenance hassles.

 

It will eventually sink in, as they see their neighbors with better performing, stylish EV, saving money on simply petrol cost as it continues to rise, while taking their ICEV in for constant oil changes & tune ups, along with repairs, as some of the 2000 ish parts malfunction.

 

Eventually pulling the heads out of their A$$ ...

... oops, I mean sand 

We are all just guessing, but that is the fun part.

I think BYD got themselves into a bit of a pickle. They sold around 40,000 cars under the EV3.0 and 3.5 agreements. As I understand it, they now have to match those sales numbers with domestic produces cars in 2024 or 1.5x in 2025.

With falling overall auto sales, the only option for BYD is to dump prices.

To make matters worse, some potential EV buyers might skip the showroom and look at the growing second hand market.

Expect the price war to continue in Thailand. China has a (over)-supply problem.

https://www.ft.com/content/496f3bfa-9f0c-4145-9024-188572a280fd

Imported vehicles are piling up at European ports, turning them into “car parks” as automakers and distributors struggle with a slowdown in sales and logistical bottlenecks including the lack of truck drivers.

4 hours ago, Pib said:

BYD Atto 3 Extended range with 60.5KWH Blade Battery has a CLTC range of 510Km, a  NEDC of 480Km, and a WLTP of 420Km.

Speed kills, but luckily 😉 no lives were lost and only the EV's range was killed at m highway speed.

The above 420 km range is reduced to 163 km at a constant 120 km/h.

Both the Atto 3 and Seal 🦭 take a massive +60% reduction in range at speed.

Not sure if the ORA funky cat is the same model as the good cat, but it is doing surprisingly well for it's fairly poor aerodynamic.

17 hours ago, Pib said:

 

Yeap...they are out.   BYD booked the 2nd highest number...Toyota was 1st....Honda 3rd. 

Now that the dust has settled for the motorshow registration numbers and it is clear that EVs did well, then why was Tesla not there?

Is Tesla afraid to compete directly with the new Chinese brands on price and showmanship?

Also, are we really going to see 140 of these contraptions on Thai roads?

Add an "r" to BOMA and you have a joke in Spanish.

Lastly, Firebright might not be the best name for a Chinese EV. They are kind of setting themselves up for trouble down the road, so to speak. 

1 hour ago, ignis said:

I think wrong

 

Great Wall Motors acquired the plant from General Motors in 2020  GWM  make Hybrid and Full electric motors there, the Oro Cat rolled off the line in Jan full EV I remember is was in the News

 

Believe the BYD Thailand production line is near ready 150,000 cars per years EV's and Hybrids 

You are right. It is all happening so fast.

100% electric cars in Thailand are

Mercedes-Benz,

GWM,

MG,

NETA,

Honda.

https://autolifethailand.tv/ora-good-cat-ora-good-cat-gt-ev-thailand-production/

16 minutes ago, Pib said:

due to the fact that many electric car manufacturers have begun to assemble within the country.

Translation error?

Apart from busses, not a single EV is made in Thailand yet, right?

1 hour ago, Pib said:

 

Yeap...they are out.   BYD booked the 2nd highest number...Toyota was 1st....Honda 3rd. 

What happened on April 7th? Did Aion, MG and Mitsubishi just drop their pants and gave the cars away?