KhunHeineken

Many Aussie members in the Australia Forum still refuse to accept Australia has proposed changes to move from 90 year old tax residency laws, based around where one is "domiciled" to a time based and physical presence model, just like good old 3rd World Thailand, with its 180 days The reasons for many of them believing it not happening were hilarious. However, it's the psychology behind it that is interesting. People fear change, and it can be seen in their posts by shooting the messenger, and reporting posts as "scaremongering." Even more hilarious were the reasons many put forward why they would still remain a tax resident of Australia, in order to to avail themselves of the tax free threshold, with no regard to the proposed changes to legislation at all. One member suggested he still had a current Medicare Card, so was still a tax resident of Australia. It makes you think who really is "delusional." Then, along comes Thailand's announcement of their 180 days tax residency for foreigners, but NO WAY would Australia ever do such a thing to non resident Australians. There's probably some Aussies that believe their Thal missus, who maybe outside of Thailand for for more than 180 days, is still a tax resident of Thailand.

I have a similar plan. It's 179 days in Thailand, about a week for the Singapore F1, the rest in Vietnam. However, the days of becoming a tax resident of no where are coming to an end. The source countries are all getting on board with it. Quoting all the BS Thai laws in all these threads like "gifting" and "savings" and "assessable income" and "inheritance" blah blah blah etc etc etc - they are not going to give a sh*it about it here because of a few reasons. 1) They don't care. 2) They want the money. 3) They haven't got the resources to check everyone's documents. 4) They hold all the power. 5) You have no right to live here, so pay or no visa. The list goes on, but basically, you will pay what they tell you to pay, or leave for 6 months of the year. Easy for me, and sounds easy for you, but maybe not so easy for many. What MAY become interesting is how Thai tax authorities deal with an arrears tax debt. I remember some time ago posting western options that were available to Thailand, and the post being deleted for scaremongering. However, a tax policy without enforcement and punishment is no tax policy at all, so they must have something up their sleeve. I'm guessing it's just deportation and blacklisting, not gaol. Since when have you known Thai governments to be sympathetic to foreigners living in Thailand? Let's all hope it's a laughable 1000 baht "fee" we have to pay for a document come extension time.

You haven't answered the question. Example: Say one's pension age is 67. They have been outside of Australia since their mid to late 40's, for whatever reason. How long before the day they turn 67 should they return to Australia to guarantee portability on the day they apply, and receive, the aged pension?

Heath Ledger comes to mind, but there's been a few over the years.

Can you post a link to your country's DTA. I would be interested to have a quick read of the articles pertaining to income and pensions, and compare them to the Australia DTA. Perhaps some members for your home country haven't even read their DTA with Thailand as yet.

I agree. There are already country specific forums. This tax forum pulls in information, examples, links, opinions etc from all nationalities. If no interest, a quick scroll and move on. What's the problem?

I didn't report your personal attack directed to me. In fact, I have never reported anyone, for anything. Free speech and all. Some members have taken advantage of that, but no problem for me. The cricket was canceled the other night so I decided to catch up with some posts. There were some interesting posts and I wanted to reply. So what? I have proven you are the most prolific poster in these tax threads. You are the leading poster in the thread in which you personally attacked me, and you are currently sitting in 3rd Place with 130 posts on this thread, and here you are saying I had too many posts on one page for your liking. Well boo hoo. We already have USA, UK and Australia forums. This forum is for all nationalities. Should a few posts get a roll on for any particular nationality, so what? Scroll a little. Is that so difficult? I don't complain when there's a page of Americans discussing the IRS, or Brit's discussing HMRC. You are trying to make it too specific to the point it restricts an open discussion on the forum. Why?

if the member is Australian, he can watch the youtube video I have posted with some input from a Chartered Accountant in Australia. It's the youtube video that deals with Article 18 and Article 19 in the Australia / Thailand DTA. It's the youtube video that disagreed with your "Forget about Article 19" post in the Australia Forum, yet, you change forums, and post under Article 19 you have to pay tax on this forum. If the member watches the youtube video, they will see you can not "Forget about Article 19."

The facts are TIT. Apply again, at a different office, with a different staff member, at a different time, and you probably will be issued a TIN. So who is right and who is wrong? The office that didn't issue the TIN, or the office that did issue the TIN? This is typical of your posting style. You read ONE post from ONE member and declare it as FACT and nationwide all across Thailand. You don't get it because you don't want to consider it because it's disrupts your financial affairs. Get used to it. The tax net is being cast wder and tigher across the world. What about "interest" earned from bank accounts? They are investments, are they not? We all earn some interest here, no matter how big or small. Add renting out a property as well. Is any of this "work" in Thailand?" No, but income is being generated in Thailand, is it not? Sure, go in December and the result may be different. Go after the 1st January 2025 at extension time and the result may be different. TIT. It's too early to declare a TIN is not needed, and let's just say it is not needed at this point, what guarantee can you give a TIN will not be needed in the near future. Go on the record. We know the answer, it's ZERO guarantee. They change like the wind here, but you live in the moment. You really need to be more dynamic in your thinking in relation to Thai governance. Jeez, for all we know, there could be another coup next week. Why is it "HUGE?" Many countries are getting onboard. Once again, more wishful thinking from you overriding the reality. Do you deny Australia is updating and expanding its DTA? I posted the link for you, more than once. Go on the record. Are they, or not? As for my username, I think "Ego" in your username is quite humorous. This tax seems to be a blow to your financial "Ego" thus, you are constantly looking for why and how it can not happen, even while it's actually happening.

The US took the position to raise interest rates big, and raise them quickly. Harsh, but short term pain. This is why they are now in a position to lower their rate. Australia couldn't do this, otherwise the Australian Ponzi housing market scheme would have collapsed. Australia had to raise rates smaller, and slower, so it was .25%, then .25%, then .25% etc. The rates were behind the inflation curve. The RBA needed to give people time to refinance, get a second job, apply for a bigger credit card, sell a car etc etc, or risk foreclosures and homelessness of epic proportions across the country. Australia is still around 3.8% inflation. It's above the 2% to 3% rate acceptable to the RBA. The RBA only has interest rates as a trigger to pull. The government could have done many things to help reign inflation in when it was on the boil, but they were too spineless. Instead, they kept the sole responsibility with the RBA to use the blunt hammer of interest rates which does not spread the pain evenly across all Australians. This also allowed them to shift blame. Weak governance when leadership was needed.

Spare a thought for those Australian actors that took their own lives as well. RIP.

Not long now. http://australiandebtclock.com.au A lot of debt to pay for a country with only 27 million people.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/other-industries/popular-pub-collapses-owing-12m/news-story/31c36b1eec1a6ff0f0c365e9b98a2443 "A popular pub that said it would need to charge $20 for a beer to survive has collapsed owing $1.2 million, a report from liquidators has revealed." Just yesterday. https://www.drinkstrade.com.au/public-hospitality-experiences-biggest-single-collapse-to-date-as-5-venues-enter-receivership "Public Hospitality experiences biggest single collapse to date as 5 venues enter receivership.:

Maybe you can claim it under overseas study and self education. A trip to The Philippines to learn how to clean from Filipinos.

You use the word "property." I have multiple properties, and other investments. The properties are all in the hands of real estate property managers and on the books, I pay tax on the rental income. The "property" in which a family member is residing has everything in my name. It's my "domicile." I am just on a long holiday. I know many Aussies still maintaining a "domicile" in Australia to avoid paying non resident tax. Some vacant, some with a family member or friend. It's been going on for decades. Why do you think the Australian government wants to like Thailand, 183 inside = resident. 183 outside = non resident. It gets people like me, but also gets pensioners. It's a tax we should have all been paying, but the government can't disprove "intention." or otherwise, to return to Australia. With the 183 days, they don't have to. That's why I posted about it, so long ago.

Where can you hide from world wide taxation? They keep casting a bigger and tighter net. I can only speak for the Australian DTA, and there is no exemption for the aged pension in it. I have posted Article 18 and Article 19 that sets this out, as well as a youtube clip with comments from an Australian Chartered Accountant. The Australian pension is over the threshold. In the Australia Forum it's been discussed an Aussie pensioner will have around a 20,000 baht tax liability. Whilst 20,000 baht isn't a lot, a little out of a little can be a lot for some pensioners. What will you get for paying the tax, nothing, more than you get now, which is ZERO.

That's the pot calling the kettle black. YOU are the most prolific poster on ALL of these tax threads. Even on this thread you are leading with 16 posts? You are in the Top 4 posters in the majority of the tax threads. Talk about hypocritical. Jeeze dude, if you are going to make an allegation, at least check your facts first, then again, I've found most of your posts to be just as inaccurate.

Run the "Fing" app. It's a great app on the play store. It shows you every device attached to your network. If you see a device/s unknown to yourself, change you WiFi password.

There's going to be chaos. If it goes down the path of needing a document at extension time, we might get reports that a certain office is just handing them out for cheap, and other offices are causing expats some grief. Expats may go TRD Office "shopping" or, particular officers give so much grief, on purpose, it pushes expats onto agents. I wonder if an expat can go to any TRD office, or they will say you have to go to your nearest office as per your TM30.

Wow. How out of touch are you? You already do, they are called "E-Tags" and you stick them on your windscreen. Dated just yesterday. https://www.drive.com.au/news/sydney-drivers-paying-upwards-of-10000-a-year-on-tolls/ "According to figures released by the state’s E-Toll provider, 901 motorists paid between $10,000 and $20,000 in the last financial year to end of June, with around a dozen spending upwards of $30,000. And that doesn’t even include businesses who use more than three tags or private account holders. "E-Toll users are spending $2.5 billion a year to drive on NSW toll roads – all of which are in the Sydney area – with the big-spending motorists mostly from the city's west. The above is just from NSW, not nation wide. Nice earner. I worked hard all my life, so did my ex-wife, and we made some good investments. Our divorce was amicable. It allowed me to retire earlier than most. I have assets over the threshold to claim an aged pension. To clarify, the tax I am avoiding is the same tax pensioners are avoiding, and that is, non resident tax. I am still paying tax in Australia. Remember, the pension is deemed an income, the pension is taxable, expats living in Thailand are obviously non residents of Australia for tax purposes, and the tax bracket for a non resident is 30% from $0. Oh, the irony. However, the proposed changes from "domiciled" to a time based and physical presence residency model will see all Aussie expats deriving an income, which is also a pension, up for non resident tax. Talk about shoot yourself in the foot.

Geez, maybe it's because of the DTA between Australia and Thailand, and how it effects Thailand's tax policy on foreigners. You are welcome to discuss your home country's DTA, and how it may apply to Thailand's tax. Isn't that what this thread is for????

So, a member has said you just need to be in Australia at the time of becoming eligible, and you say that's not the case, which I suspected. If one has been away for 20 years, how long before their eligible date for application should they return to Australia?

Yes. "Something" will need to be paid. What we don't know, is how they will be calculating, how they will be collecting, how much will need to be paid, and the punishment for non compliance. More will be revealed early 2025. What we do know for 100% is, if you are inside Thailand for less than 180 days per calendar year, this policy does not apply to you, and you have ZERO tax liability as you are a non resident of Thailand for tax purposes. For some, they may not only give them peace of mind, but also be financially beneficial.

No free passes to any foreigners. The whole "Thailand is for Thai's" and "We want your money here, but not you here" ideology.

I agree, and would also add, a reasonable pathway to permanent residency. As it stands now, they want to tax foreigners, whilst still giving them no rights.