Steely Dan

I think Turkey needs Israel more than Israel needs Turkey.  To anyone keeping tabs on the region it should be evident that the Arab states are rapidly improving relations with Israel. Israel incidentally just signed a large oil and gas exploration deal with Greece. And yes Israel does have anti-terrorism software and missile shield technology to sell, ask the Arabs about that.

You have to admire their chutzpah considering its predominantly Muslim immigrants have changed Sweden to the extent that many blonde women have dyed their hair brown to avoid unwanted attention.  This of course comes against a backdrop of Turkey blackmailing the EU to grant Turkey visa free access or else they will stop the current agreement stemming the flow of migrants (rapeugees according to Pergida) into Europe.

Katana wrote.

Seems the UK authorities can't make up their minds which way they stand on ISIS, prosecuting some for supporting ISIS and others for standing against it.

This is my point in a nutshell, though only recently was any meaningful action taken against the likes of Choudary, and only with the loaded gun of public opinion pointed at the heads of government.

So there you have it, do you fret about minor mortgage fraud and assaulting poppy burners or do you worry about gang rape of minors on a national scale, incitement to and acts of murder, homophobia, honor killings, polygamy, no go zones and all the other gifts cultural enrichment has brought us?

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

That is the best you can come up with in defence of a violent criminal?

 

Pathetic!

 

His first conviction for violence was in 2003, while he was an unknown apprentice at Luton Airport. It wasn't until a year after that he began his career in political activism by joining the BNP.

 

You may think mortgage fraud is a trivial crime; the authorities do not. I agree with the authorities.

 

Yaxley-Lennon got 18 months for that; a lot less than many others not in the public eye have received. One example

Mortgage fraud gang led by faith healer jailed for total of 52 years; sentences there ranged from 1 year for the bookkeeper of the gang up to 14 years for the leader.

Five sentenced for mortgage fraud - Herts is a report from the CPS of Yaxley-Lennon's case.

 

Your last paragraph is nonsense. You have either made it up, confused me with someone else or your memory is not what it was.

 

 

As ever you seize any opportunity to send the thread off topic with both hands. Had the forum software not been playing up my last post should have been edited to explain the only reason Tommy Robinson was mentioned was that his decision to join the EDL was in response to Choudary getting away with murder as his supporters burned poppies in front of soldiers returning from overseas. Government inaction and press silence over the activities of Islamist ideology has caused rising public anger and the empowerment of the so called 'far right'. The consequences of this included the splitting of the Tory vote with UKIP, which had a knock on effect of Cameron agreeing to a referendum for Brexit. Cameron also promised to pursue characters such as Choudary, a big change from his previous ill advised membership of Unite against (sic) fascism, an organization Michael Adebolajo was a member of.

anyway, sorry not playing your game of deliberately seeking to de-rail every thread, please feel free to have the last word (as you always do), but do us all a favour and spare us the IRA, Balfour declaration or the usual invitation to trawl through your posting history, which would be a cruel and unusual punishment to inflict on any of our esteemed members.

On August 19, 2559 BE at 5:39 PM, 7by7 said:

 

Tommy Robinson, aka Andrew McMaster, aka Paul Harris, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, does have a string of convictions; true.

 

In 2003 he was convicted of assaulting an off duty police officer. The officer had intervened to stop Yaxley-Lennon from assaulting his then girlfriend.

 

in July 2011, he was convicted of having used "threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour" during a fight between Luton Town and Newport County supporters on 20th August 2010.

 

In September 2011 while out on bail accused of head butting a fellow EDL member at a rally in April was arrested for breaching the conditions of his bail. He was later convicted of common assault for the head butting.

 

In October 2012 he was convicted of attempting to enter the USA using a false passport.

 

In January 2014 he was convicted of mortgage fraud.

 

As far as I can ascertain he has never been imprisoned or even arrested for his political views. But if you know otherwise, links, please.

 

 

I doubt even you believe that Tommy Robinson's convictions were anything other than politically motivated in both the conviction and sentencing. The so called mortgage fraud was particularly laughable, as if anyone else would get a custodial sentence for something so trivial. But you do like to persist with your tedious repetitive charades don't you? 

Its quite funny how you were delighted when Maajid Nawaz persuaded Tommy to leave the EDL, but now you are no doubt less keen on Mr Nawaz after his honest observations on radical Islam and criticism of the regressive left who actually enable the extremists under the cloak of  pretending to protect all Muslims. I guess your ears must be burning there.

Had the law treated Choudary as it treated Tommy Robinson he would have been jailed decades ago. Indeed the incitement he was responsible for very likely led to the deaths of some people at the hands of terrorists.

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Friend of mine took his Thai twenty something girlfriend for a vacation in the USA.

 

First time application, granted a 10 year visa....

 

Just for info

Long time visa. 

P.s Trump is 100% right on this, thorough ideological vetting is exactly what's required.

16 hours ago, ClutchClark said:

If only they would become this upset when one of their own killed innocent people in the name of Islam.

Indeed! Man arrested for the murder said to be Latino, hopefully not the start of a tit for tat vendetta on the basis of religion.

If this nonsense continues BLM will be accused of being a false flag organization set up by Trump to discredit the Democrats.

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2 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

What the……..

 

Blaming trump already….?!!!!

 

What a crock!

 

The Orlando killer is currently standing trial for the murder of 48 people, he is citing Islamic scripture to justify murdering homosexuals, yet the press and even (double face palm) some gays tried to blame it on the Republicans.

Yet there is nothing, nada, zilch regarding Obama pandering to and stoking grievances for Blacklivesmatter resulting in the murder of several police officers.

p.s There is a very good chance of this storm in a teacup backfiring should it turn out an Islamist extremist murdered the Imam for some reason.

6 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Bangladesh is mostly sunni. 

There are a few reasons why I ask. Bangladesh has a serious problem with Islamism at the moment, gays, secular bloggers and moderates have been murdered there of late. Is it possible the deceased is a moderate who has blasphemed according to the extremists? Incidentally the photo fit of the murderer show. In the NYT looked to me to have an Asian appearance.

Surely people should not jump to any conclusions here. The murderer may have been mentally ill and the poor Imam was simply in the wrong place are the wrong time.

incidentally does anyone know what sect of Islam the deceased were members of?

2 hours ago, dunroaming said:

Unbelievable!  Nothing to do with being PC, the man was Swiss and no link to any terrorist organisation.  To instantly try to spin this to be Islamic shows just how blinkered people want to be.

Please stop pointing!

How many hours since the attack and still no name for the attacker. All we know is he is a Swiss national apparently and not of an immigrant background. The motive is of course a mystery, though some initial reports have tried to mix it up a bit speculating on a crime of passion instead of mental health. 

Of of course a crime of passion, he passionately attacks seven people on a train with a knife and flammable liquid, presumably so as many people as possible can witness the spectacle. Using an m/o repeatedly used by Islamist terrorists, no doubt he has a passion for making people jump to the wrong conclusions too.

17 hours ago, alanrchase said:

 

For some reason you like to focus on Jews. No idea why. 

If you bothered to read the article it did, I was arguing it should be more universal.

1 hour ago, Norvid said:

Unlike all other Jews within main media, these support next president of the USA Donald Trump.

 

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/210638/west-coast-jewish-republicans-support-trump?utm_source=tabletmagazinelist&utm_campaign=ee49d5cfef-August_12_20168_12_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c308bf8edb-ee49d5cfef-206813161

There's a lot of truth in this article. I'm not sure why it should focus on the Jews though when the same considerations may work amongst all Republicans, not to mention some Sanders supporters not keen on listening as a piano legged harpy shrieks 'pay no attention to the man behind the curtain'.

1 minute ago, Pinot said:

 

And cheers to you for that great post. One of your classics. Rapefugees...love it. 

I'm sure you would were it your wife or daughter on the receiving end.

More hysterical over reaction at the thought of the monopoly of political control of BOTH parties is under threat. The dirty tricks employed by HRC's team to keep Sanders from the nomination are being mirrored within the GOP. This election is not about Trump it's about people's disgust at a corrupt and broken system versus the scaremongering from those with most to lose if it's replaced. 

In in other words the exact same dynamic as the Brexit referendum.

I wouldn't be amazed if a lawsuit against her majesty's government is not forthcoming in the not too distant future. 

So what happens to the two billion euros already given to Turkey for implementing the refugee agreement? Is that also forfeit? Europe should have spent its money on a security fence and told Turkey to stuff it by the way.

Surely a hug from Justin Trudeau would have deradicalized him?

8 minutes ago, Buzzz said:

 

Trump supporters thrive on his ignorant remarks. He can do no wrong. 

 

His ill informed comments don't fly with the educated general public and he is sinking fast. 

 

His is staff keep coaching him to stay on message but he falls back into his silly conspiracy, bigot, attack mode. 

 

I say his campaign staff are going to bail soon &  Trump will be dropping out. Probably a medical excuse or perhaps a temper tantrum exit. 

 

Behind the the scenes in the republican leadership, they must be planning for his exit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a bit rich hoping for a medical KO for Trump when HRC is clearly unfit to stand for office on medical grounds alone. Lying race baiting demagoguery is merely a reflection of how Democrats have behaved for years, behold your reflection.

Every single Trump thread should be condensed into one, their content is essentially the same after all. The media hysterics over every Trump utterance juxtapositioned with HRC being given a free pass shows how worried the establishment are. No amount of scandals will make any difference to Trurmp supporters seeing as they are playing by the left's rule book.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/trump-still-holds-aces-hillary-clinton/

and for those thinking the result is a foregone conclusion, think again.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_SC_81116.pdf