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One factor is that electricity is cheap in Thailand - too cheap in my opinion. EGAT has ฿1.3B of debt due to subsiding electricity prices for all. I feel that subsidies should only be directed to the poorest. Of course EGAT’s debt is nothing compared to the Oil Fuel fund which in the red about 100 billion baht from subsidising the diesel price. Solar prices are falling. 6 years ago this panel was ฿20/W you can now pay ฿6/W Inverter and batteries are also getting cheaper This is the first quote I got for a Li battery ฿26,785/kWh! If you can charge your EV at home during the day, then solar definitely makes sense.

Yes you are correct. The daily demand is known as the duck curve. I haven’t found figures for Thailand but it probably looks similar to the UK. The idea is to try and flatten the curve and reduce the need for the most expensive and polluting peaker plants coming online. Unfortunately in Thailand the feed-in rate is a flat ฿2.2/kWh throughout the day so there is no incentive for arbitrage.

They always wheel out Nissan Leafs with CHAdeMO connectors when they talk about V2G, unfortunately Nissan has now moved to CCS a standard which has not been approved for V2G. I currently use V2L from my EV to power my house at night sometimes. My inverters are Hybrid Off-Grid meaning that they can import from the Grid (if I had a meter) but cannot export. You need an on-grid inverter which synchronizes to the Grid to be able to export. Thailand has excess energy at night that is why it offers half price TOU rates In the UK companies like octopus energy offer a number of rates at different times of the day which is great for people with EVs to charge their cars and for people with solar and batteries to sell back at peak demand I would need a simple export on-grid inverter to sell power back from my EV to the Grid, but PEA prevents me doing that: they only allow a maximum of 5kW of PV on single phase and your inverter needs to be on their approved list.

Thanks for posting the stats @Pib it’s much appreciated. The % of car registrations being EVs is the key number we should be discussing. It’s no good people claiming EV sales are down when ICE sales are down even more.

You often hear that replacement EV batteries are expensive. My BYD Seal is designed to have at least 70% capacity after 160,000km and it is warrantied as such. So I am unlikely to need to replaced it during the 8 year warranty period. If I wanted to replace it after that what does it cost? An 86kWh battery for my Seal AWD cost ฿6,237 per kWh. So how does that compare to domestic solar LFP batteries? I have 4x9kWh LFP solar batteries that cost me ฿9,555 per kWh. So the BYD batteries look good value

Excellent post. The problem that nearly all fossil lovers have when they try to rubbish EVs is that not only do they know nothing about EVs but they also haven’t driven the best ICE cars to compare with EVs. This what you have to pay in Millions of Thai Baht to get a sub 4 second car in Thailand. Cars in the top box are EVs

All the fossil lovers crowing about EV price cuts in Thailand fail to realize that ICE car prices are not falling making them not only worse than EVs but also now more expensive.

Lots of comments in the press about “Evil” BYD dropping prices. I have been following EV prices in Thailand since they were first launched here and I have detected a very clear trend: EVs get cheaper and they get better all the time. Back in 2018 EVs at the BKK motor show were few and far between. I seriously considered paying ฿2m for a 40kWh Nissan Leaf with CHAdeMO In September 2023 I put down a deposit on a 85kWh (gross) BYD Seal which cost ฿1.6m. That car is now ฿1.5m and it will get cheaper. The Seal was better in every way than the Leaf I could have bought and yet I know EVs will be released in Thailand that are better and cheaper than the Seal. I was aware of that when I purchased the car and I am fine with it.

Good riddance to 14 years of chaotic Tory government that brought austerity, Brexit, Partygate and an economic crash. Don’t forget : “Cutting the ‘green crap’ has added £22bn to UK energy bills since 2015” https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-cutting-the-green-crap-has-added-22bn-to-uk-energy-bills-since-2015/ “We don’t need energy independence, because our mate Vlad will always be around to sell us cheap oil and gas”

Hello Thailand, meet the Fully electric pickup truck from Geely Full story: https://www.riddara.com/newsroom/20240327 https://www.riddara.com/newsroom/20240327

MG4 X-power Had a test drive today. The Green looks really fantastic in the flesh. The interior is basically the same as the standard car so is a bit of a letdown. The battery is also the same 62kWh Driving: on paper it has the same 3.8seconds 0-100km as my BYD Seal performance, but it didn’t feel as quick. It was certainly quick enough and very chuckable. Compared to the standard MG4 that I have driven before (which I felt was a bit underpowered) It has stiffened suspension which improved handling but made for a bumpy ride. I know I am comparing it to a much more expensive car, but it was no where near as refined or quiet inside as my seal. However, if I was considering spending 900k on an MG4 I would definitely stump up another 300k for the X-power

In fact the fact can be denied. You obviously didn’t read the small print of some of the amazing deals. In some cases the free wall charger with free installation was removed from the cheaper price. Sometimes the low rate financing was removed. Sometimes 8 years of free servicing was removed. I would recommend contacting a financial professional before your next big ticket purchase.

I could have made an even worse financial deal and bought a fossil instead, try selling that in a few years time when everyone is driving EVs

BYD Seal App update 3rd July from 9pm to 11pm approx

Think they are all 20V so they are compatible just with more Ah

You are completely failed to provide any evidence to support that supposition. Looking at this discussion you will see that EV owners are fact fanatics faced with all the negative nonsense that is thrown at EVs. You failed again. All EV owners have also been ICE owners we have lived with both and know the strength and weaknesses of both. ICE supporters are completely ignorant about EVs. All they know is second hand views reinforcing their prejudices. I have given up noisy, slow, smelly transportation for the future. My EVs are practically free to own, I charge them from excess solar power after my house is powered. I have 8 years of free servicing, almost zero road tax. Oh don’t forget the sub 4 seconds 0-100km Those are rational practical reasons. If people stop making stupid, factual inaccurate statements about EVs they will find my replies less demeaning

Hi Grumpy - did you see any posts in this discussion that could be described as virtue-signaling? Did anybody mention anything about saving the planet? If so please point them out. Did you watch my video that I posted above. Did I saying anything in the video about saving the planet or look at me I’m so virtuous? 😇 As an EV owner I spend a great deal of time fact-checking the stupid things that people say about EVs. In this discussion I’ve had to explain the difference between Cobalt and Lithium mining; the battery chemistry used in BYDs and why they are not toxic; Why a country that has only just started selling EVs doesn’t have EV battery recycling factories. When people say stupid things they tend to get ridiculed. I stick to discussions that I actually know something about, I wish others would do the same. I use the phrase ‘EV haters” because they spend so much of their time on EV discussions spreading lies and falsehoods. EV owners don’t hang out on diesel truck discussions because they have better things to do with their time.

No to the coffee machine and the kettle, but you probably knew that already 😉 The nice thing about a BYD is that is that you can plug in a regular kettle or coffee machine into the car, it doesn’t need to be battery powered.

I am a big fan of Total tools for the home and garden as they all use the same batteries. I use the leaf blower to move our pack of dogs when needed I also use their tire inflator as there is no plugging in required

You mean you couldn’t have said it more wrong yourself

You are confusing Lithium with Cobalt, a common misconception among EV haters. Cobalt is not used in BYD batteries but it is used the refinery process for diesel and gasoline. The biggest exporter of Lithium is Australia followed by Chile

If you knew anything about EVs in Thailand you would know that EVs didn’t get sold in any volume here until 2019. BYDs come with an 8 year 70% battery warranty.

This discussion is about BYD - see the title. As I previously posted BYD's LFP batteries aren't toxic (see the link I posted) My replies to you all have links supporting my assertions - you on the other hand are flying "Link-Free"

You already been proved wrong saying the BYDs batteries are toxic and now you claim that recycling is only done "because it is easy to do so" recycling happens because it's economic to do so. I never claimed EV batteries are easy to recycle in fact they tend to be used in second life applications first but EV recycling is happening despite you claiming it's too difficult to do. "EV Battery Recycling Is on the Rise Globally, EV battery recycling capacity is expanding. Battery cell manufacturers are building recycling facilities on-site or close-to-site. Independent recyclers are starting to invest in their own Li-Ion battery recycling plants. Over the past two years alone, more than 20 companies in the automotive and recycling sectors have announced plans for new partnerships" https://www.bcg.com/publications/2023/striking-gold-with-ev-battery-recycling