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If you want an MG wallbox to work with the MG app, it will cost you more than ฿20k. You forgot about the installation which is included, but I suppose you could manage that yourself with ฿20 worth of bell wire.

Before we accuse anyone of "looking rather foolish" let's check if the poster has checked his facts before posting. Back in September 2023 I posted that the MG4 D was selling for ฿ึ769k So what is the new price? ฿ึ669k without a wall box. So we have a ฿ึ70k saving but you have to buy and install your own wallbox. So who is "looking rather foolish now"

I extrapolated the discussion about cost of gasoline to include all costs associated with purchase and ownership of a vehicle. Most people claim that all E-Vehicles are more expensive to purchase, so I chose a similarly spec’d ICE SUV to compare it with.

An MG HS PHEV is a little bigger than a Honda CRV and quite a bit cheaper. You might claim that the a Honda CRV will depreciate less so has a lower total cost of ownership. In the real world after 7 or 8 years all cars in Thailand are worth practically nothing. I have a friend who changes his CRV every 7 years, last time he got ฿400k for it. Before you say that it’s unfair to compare a Honda CRV 7.9 sec 0-100 to a MG HS PHEV 6.9 sec 0-100, I would agree with you. An MG HS PHEV has 70km of full EV mode, which is less than most people drive every day. 16.6kW @ ฿2.6 Per kWh (TOU) = ฿43 Per day An MG HS PHEV comes with completely free servicing (including labour) for 5 years after that it’s only the non EV parts of the car that require servicing, they never touch the battery; inverter or charging system (no moving parts) You didn’t bother to provide any evidence for your calculation. The main criticism of EVs is the cost to produce the battery, but the MG HS PHEV can be driven as an EV 90% of the time and yet has a tiny battery and so has a much smaller initial carbon debt that will paid off in a matter of months. “electric cars start with a carbon disadvantage, sometimes described as a “carbon debt”. However, that ‘carbon debt’ is paid off within about two years of driving the vehicle.” https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/dec/23/do-electric-cars-really-produce-fewer-carbon-emissions-than-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles

Interesting video comparing the BYD Seal AWD at £34k here in Thailand and BMW i4 eDrive35 at £86k in Thailand.

Just for comparison. I own 2 cars and a motorbike, they are each used just about every day Amount spent on fuel for all the vehicles over the last 4 month ฿0 It doesn’t matter how fast I drive the vehicles the cost per km doesn’t change Do I spend hours filling in spreadsheets to record my driving efficiency - no

The MG Maxus 9 stand was swamped at the motor show. Nobody at Kia ICE Mini Van display, so I couldn't resist asking "Rot Fai Far Mai Kap?" (Electric?) Then looking disappointed and walking away.

America is very slow to adopt EVs, even Thailand has a faster rate of adoption, so I would look to the US for expertise on EVs. A country like Norway which has 90% EV sales isn’t stupid enough to put water on an electrical fire. Norwegian company Bridgehill demonstrates using a fire blanket to control an EV fire.

The BYD Seal was one of the finalists of the car of the year award held at the Geneva Motor Show. I am sure the many Seal owners in this forum believed that the Seal deserved to win. The winner has just been announced… It’s a Renault mini van 🤔

EV sales are expanding at such a fast rate in Thailand that it's easier to talk about monthly changes rather than annual increases. Sales of EVs in Thailand in 2023 increased by 684% In December 2023 EVs in Thailand represented 25% of total vehicle registrations

And this doesn't look dangerous to you?

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen

I guess you are not following the EV and solar discussions on AN as you would know many EV owners here have solar and many solar owners are considering EVs. In my case I have 2 EVs and an electric motorbike and I don't have a grid connection at all. One in three Australian households now generate electricity domestically. In South Australia the proportion is nearly 50%. This trend is happening all around the world. Those who don't charge their EVs from their own produced electricity tend to charge when it's cheaper due to excess supply at night. Did you you know you can get a TOU meter here in Thailand and get half price electricity at night? Cleary not. Why is it that all the EV haters crying about electricity use by EVs never mention how much more is used in crypto mining and increasingly by AI https://news.sky.com/story/bitcoin-mining-consumes-more-electricity-than-most-countries-study-suggests-12991456

Having spent several years on a building committee I know that buildings get many requests to spend the very limited condo fees. The best way to make a request is to make a suggestion that makes the condo money such as power outlets that are accessed via RFID card that you purchase from the condo. Power is sold at a premium over what the condo pays to buy it. As pointed out above the limited number of parking spaces in most condos make such a system difficult to get started, but such system do exist in condos around the world.

Neta V has a price reduction

My neighbour has a visitor from the uk who is “not interested in EVs” He admits that he knows nothing about them. I was invited to take them for a coffee in my BYD Seal AWD Performance. His first reaction what the shape of the car. He had never seen one before or even heard of BYD and was quite taken with it. “Looks like a Porche Taycan” Inside the complements continued. “Very luxurious” as he stroked the alcantara. I asked BYD to navigate to the coffee shop and as navigation came up switched the screen to portrait mode from the steering wheel. “Very cool” My neighbour suggested we try the launch mode. I put front camera on the main screen and launch timer on the driver’s display. He was shocked by the performance. The rest of the drive was on a four lane road (Dual carriage way) as I nipped in between the slow moving traffic like they were standing still. Over coffee he admitted that he hadn’t any idea just how far EVs had come and would seriously consider a BYD Seal as his next car.

It is definitely possible, but the efficiency gained would most likely be outweighed by the extra cost of the equipment. EVs in Thailand usually come with a free wall charger and installation. My 7kW AC charger results in 6.7kW DC going into my car. https://www.ampernext.com/products/first-30kw-dc-dc-solar-ev-charger/

I have 2 EVs and as I am completely off-grid, both my cars are charged from Solar. If you charge from the wall box it will draw 7kW of power and if you use the mobile charger it will draw about 3kW. To power the wall charger you would need at least 10kW of PV and a 10kW inverter. If you decide to mobile charger a 5kW system will be sufficient. Remember that your solar system will top up from the grid if solar is not sufficient. The Neta V comes with V2L so you could use the car to power the house at night. I have many videos on that on my channel.

"Both the S07 SUV and the L07 sedan are powered by a 258 PS/320 Nm rear-mounted motor fed by a 66.8 kWh ternary lithium NMC battery, which offers up to up to 485 km of range for the S07 SUV and 540 km of range for the L07 sedan; range figures for both are based on the NEDC testing protocol. For charging, both the S07 SUV and L07 sedan support AC charging via the Type 2 connection standard, while DC charging is via a CCS2 connection and supports charging rates of up to 78 kW DC" https://paultan.org/2024/01/09/changan-deepal-s07-suv-l07-sedan-evs-launched-in-thailand-up-to-540-km-range-nedc-from-rm177k/ 78 kW DC charging if true is very slow. Half the speed of my Seal ternary v LFP Battery in the Seal 258 PS/320 Nm compared to my AWD Seal 530 PS/670Nm Does Deepal do an AWD version or is it coming ?

Kia EV 9 Launches in Thailand at the beginning of next month. 1st March 2024 Asked the sales girl for the price and she said it will be announced at launched but she thinks it will be over ฿3m

Black interior would make the atto 3 look more sensible

Choosing the "coolest" EV for the hot conditions of Thailand is important. So is a BYD Seal cooler than a Tesla model Y? The results are very similar to the when I tested the BYD Seal

My supplier is no longer selling solar thermal. I have a friend who bought one recently, it was quite expensive, but he is very happy with it.

The list of components in my opening post were just some examples for price information. Thanks to @007 RED for pointing out to me that some people may think I was suggesting these examples would work well together for a perfect system. I simply googled components to get current prices. They were never checked to see if they were compatible.

I was the poster in the "last power bill ever" I just want to correct something you said in case people get the wrong impression about solar thermal. "the temps are probably not great" Unless ambient temperatures drop to low teens I always have to add cold water as the hot water is scalding hot on it's own. "some are using solar water panels at ground level for hot water systems" - yes that's me again "and tanks need mounting at a higher level to prevent reverse cycling at night." I am not sure what you mean by "reverse cycling at night" I assume you mean the daytime convection system working in reverse at night, but that doesn't happen with my setup. On the right side of the tank (the side you can see) fresh cold water is added to the bottom of the tank as hot water is used (blue pipe) Hot water leaves the top of panel (green pipe) and enters the top of the insulated 200L tank The side of the tank you can't see Hot water leaves the top of the tank (green pipe) to go to the bathrooms The coldest water in the tank is most dense (convection) sinks to the bottom of tank and follows another green pipe to enter bottom of the panel to be reheated by the sun. During the day water is constantly moving via convection as water gets heated in the panel rises and displaces the coolest water in the tank. At night the tank is insulated so stays hot, the panel is not insulated so the water is cooler and no water moves between the panel and the tank unless hot water is sent to the bathroom. My system has an emersion heater with various settings like time to start and stop heating; minimum temperature to maintain, but I have never used it. My system has also worked amazingly for over 5 years now. One criticism I would acknowledge about solar thermal is that it is expensive. My system cost ฿30,000 6 years ago, but I have heard people paying more than twice that more recently. The system is pressurized with pressure release valves so no pump is required