Bandersnatch

How many times do we have to explain this. I have must have posted this answer 20 times in this discussion. People who don’t own EVs clearly don’t understand how the grid works. Power usage is not flat it varies during the day. That’s why PEA/MEA are happy to sell half price electricity at night. EV owners aren’t stupid so they charge when it’s cheap, ie when supply exceeds demand In my case I don’t have a grid connection because it’s much much cheaper to power my 450m2 house, 2 EVs and an electric motorbike from solar. Solar in Thailand is expanding rapidly due to cheap imports from China. If you don’t believe it, then open your eyes the next time you go into Thaiwasadu or a similar store. If PEA were concerned about the proliferation of EVs they would make it difficult for people to hook up EV chargers, that is not the case, the last time I checked they were offering free TOU meter installations.

Tesla has a history of rapidly adjusting prices to match market conditions almost everywhere, except in Thailand. The only price adjustment here for the model 3 came a week after the launch of the BYD Seal which at launch sold more cars in a week than Tesla had sold model 3s in the whole year. RWD Model 3 in Aus was ฿1,424,995 now is ฿1,328,325 way cheaper than in Thailand The BYD Seal AWD Performance is a ฿100k cheaper than the RWD Tesla in Thailand before the extras that you have to pay with Teslas: Paint, Wheels, Wall Charger, insurance etc. and you don’t get bi-directional charging as you do on BYDs

You never see these signs at an EV charging station. They just don't get it do they!

Unfortunately Lee 65 is not interested in real world evidence. He keeps quoting a couple of Chinese studies, so best to ignore him. The recent video of a BYD Seal being rolled at high speed into a concrete post did not result in a thermal runaway event or even any injuries and that’s good enough for me.

You’re right can’t be happening as my EV and house batteries are Lithium Iron Phosphate not Lithium Ternary.

The car is a Neta U which is not sold in Thailand. So yet another post from the illiterate FFFF (Fossil Fuel Fanatics) The title of this discussion is "EVs in Thailand"

I had a deposit down on a ZS EV in 2019 before the launch day. EVs were expensive in those days, pleased to see that prices are becoming more affordable all the time

2025 BYD Shark plug-in hybrid truck coming to Australia this year so if it’s a RHD it might be coming to Thailand as well. It claims fuel consumption of 7.5 litres per 100km – similar to a four-cylinder diesel – in hybrid mode, and up to 100km of driving range on electric propulsion alone, but more power, and quicker acceleration than a twin-turbo petrol V6 Ford Ranger Raptor. The Shark is larger than a Ford Ranger or Toyota HiLux – but smaller than a Ford F-150 The Shark is fitted with a relatively small 1.5-litre turbocharged petrol engine, but it is paired with two electric motors – divided between front and rear axles – for a combined power output of "more than" 316kW.

ditto I skipped the self-charging step What Toyota didn’t realize was that a self-charging car actually looks like this:

61 is major underestimate. I am sure many deaths are simple recorded as “heart attack” or similar. In our village alone we have had one death and one in ICU The guy in ICU collapsed while fishing in a pond he was pulled out before drowning. I am sure if he had died the death would have been recorded as drowning and heat would not have been listed as a contributing factor. The death was an old guy burning his field who collapsed due to the heat ending up getting burnt to death

Toyota will stop using its 'old' hybrid tech and switch to new BYD systems. This good news as Toyota was using nickel metal-hydride (NiMH) batteries for it's hybrids

I see we have been graced with the presence of yet another Failure No evidence provided to support this statement making it worthless Fail! Again no evidence provided Fail again! “This is a discussion about EVs available or coming to Thailand“ Fail!

That might be true for people who own one car at a time and have to manage their buyers regret until they can afford to change their mistake purchase. You clearly don’t much about @JBChiangRai and the cars he has owned.

This is a very important post in my opinion. It is very difficult to argue with someone who has owned and lived with all the cars being compared in a segment. EV Haters love to criticize EVs and EV owners, why is that you never see EV owners hanging out on Diesel Truck threads? They probably have better things to do with their time than spewing angry vitriol.

Toyota is still listing the bZ4X on the Thailand website, but the click through to select a dealer button is missing. Do they want to sell this car or not? bZ4X: ฿1,836,000 218 horsepower (PS) maximum torque 337 0-100kph 6.9 seconds Battery 64kWh usable BYD Seal AWD: ฿1,549,000 530 horsepower (PS) maximum torque 670 0-100kph 3.8 seconds Battery 82.5kWh usable Turns out I’m not the only one having trouble trying to buy a Toyota EV:

I am done doing your research for you. You said: “As for resale values say goodbye to your Baht” Your claim to be an expert on used EVs in Thailand has turned out to be ”ignorance signalling” again

Thought you were an expert on used EVs in Thailand!

1 kWh battery does not an EV make. No details provided about what car I have a 600km range which is long enough for most trip. I own an MG and a BYD that have dealerships in practically every province. You can book ahead. I can add 350km of range in 20 minutes. Here in Thailand The seal is cheaper than the Camry. Agreed most people don’t solar but many EV owners here in Thailand are getting them as they are so cheap now. TOU overnight electricity is half price. Most people in Thailand live in detached houses so can install a wall charger which is free with most EVs here including installation. My MG’s insurance has been comparable to my previous ICE cars will be posting my first BYDs insurance quote in six months on the EVs in Thailand Discussion. With 8 years warranty and free servicing depreciation is not really a consideration after that.

more “ignorance signaling” Doesn’t own an EV but claims to be an expert on the second hand EV market in Thailand. Doesn’t bother to post any evidence to backup his claims

Typical, doesn’t own an EV and doesn’t know anything about them. “Ignorance signaling” I own a D segment Saloon/Sedan EV and it’s cheaper than any ice car in the segment. Owned it for 6 months and apart from some short test charges in the first week it has been charged at home from solar. So haven’t had to go out of my way to fill up. It comes with 8 years of free servicing and very cheap road tax. All very inexpensive and convenient.

BYD provided the owner with new replacement car as they were keen to take the car away for testing. Over 20,000 Atto 3s have been sold in Thailand as this is the only case of a 12v fire.

Making EVs is apparently more difficult than making phones. Might explain why legacy auto makers are making such a hash of it. ”The project had reportedly cost the company over $1 billion per year” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_car_project

Thanks for this. Why do we have to FactCheck everything that the AntiEvers post? Because it’s either unsubstantiated or BS as @mistral53 reminded us on page 213 “Don’t feed the Trolls”

Can’t get your brain around EVs or the fact that H2 is never going to be the future. Can’t construct an argument because you fail to support it with any evidence https://insideevs.com/news/716100/us-hydrogen-car-sales-2024q1/ What they don’t tell you about H2 (Source Mirai Club YT) How much range for $180? My EV can drive that 348 miles (560km) for free from my home solar.

So your theory is that Thais are naive, uneducated and susceptible to tech hype. My theory is that EVs are cheaper here in Thailand than in Europe so represent better value for money.