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My charger is 7kW so you would need 10kW of PV. If you used the 3.5kW “Granny Charger” /mobile charger then 5kW would be ok. As I have batteries with my solar system I can “borrow” power from my home batteries and pay it back later in the day. The picture on the left before my latest upgrade shows that happening. No it can’t. I contact Myenergi in the UK about their Zappi charger that does this, only to discover that it simply monitors power being exported to the grid and sends the exact same amount into the charger - no use for me being off-grid. It’s not a completely passive thing as you have to monitor the state of charge of the house batteries, but I have being doing it for 4 years now without any drama. The car is getting a steady 6.8kW from either my PV or home batteries so no problem there. I would be interested in this dc-to-dc solar-powered ev charger Currently V2H is complicated as most people don’t want to power their whole house in an emergency but just some circuits, making the installation much more expensive and complicated than my V2L setup.

I am powering my house every night from my BYD Seal. I use about 10% of the battery to do it and I need to be able to charge from Solar for an hour the next day to cover that, plus whatever driving I’ve been doing. It means that my house LFP batteries are never dropping below 50% and so reduces their cycles from about once a day to once every 2 days. My Seal cycles are about every 5 days. We have had 2 weeks of very heavy rain, but the odd breaks in the rain have been enough to keep my house and 2 EVs plus an electric bike sufficiently charged and me off-grid. It’s not unusual for me to have 3 chargers going at the same time I could add a few kWh to the Seal when my local chargers are on off-peak rate but so far I haven’t had to. One day of no rain and all vehicles and the house back to 100%

Orange steering wheel!

You are absolutely right @Pib I simplified the calculations to make it easier for a non EV driver to follow

My BYD Seal Performance AWD has an indicated range when full of 580km on an 82.5kW (net) battery = 7km/kWh Many without solar charge with cheap overnight electric ฿2.6369 per kWh ฿2.6369 @ 7km per kWh = ฿0.37 per km

I have solar, and when I have excess I dump it in the car.

I’m getting 6.8kW, but I assumed they gave me a single phase 7kW ABB wallbox

Nearly all new EVs have DC fast charging, except for some micro EVs and some PHEVs. ”self charging” is Toyota speak for hybrid. The tiny 1kWh battery is charged by regenerative breaking. They can’t be plugged in or they would be Plug in Hybrids, so petrol provides all the power.

Tesla scraps plan for EV factory in Thailand "Tesla is currently only discussing charging stations, with the factory plans suspended not just in Thailand but worldwide. They are not proceeding in Malaysia, Indonesia, or anywhere else except for China, America, and Germany," said the source. https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/business/investment/40040336

JAECOO 6 EV 100% electric car, 69.8 kWh battery, runs 470 km. Launched in Thailand in 2024 by Chery, will be launched as a right-hand drive vehicle in Thailand first.

Interesting documentary about EV’s in Thailand from Singapore’s Channel News Asia (video is 22 minutes)

But you posted I started this discussion for EVs in Thailand not to discuss videos posted in China - start your own discussion. You provided no links so your uniformed opinions are worthless as you have no direct experience of EVs sold in Thailand. You claimed “that there is considerable risk to fires” but provided no evidence. You dismissed all the links I provided stating the opposite as you think you know better. Yet again you demonstrate considerable ignorance of the EV situation in Thailand. There is excess power in Thailand at night that’s why many EV owners charge at night using half price electricity. In my case I power 2 EVs an electric motorbike and my house 100% from solar. Unlike you I’ve not had a power cut in over 6 years. My main point is you turn up at a discussion that has nearly 8,000 posts with zero knowledge or experience of owning a EV in Thailand and start posting uniformed rubbish. So don’t be surprised when you get called out on it. You will find that your opinions are far more welcome here: https://aseannow.com/topic/1246109-ice-vs-ev-the-debate-thread/

I have a Planet SCB card which is a prepaid card and seems to be recognised as a Credit Card by some EV chargers when my debit card wasn’t accepted.

This topic is “electric vehicles in Thailand” not “EVs in China” If you want to start your own discussion please do so but don’t hijack this one. We have busted the myth about China EV fires many times, but you couldn’t be bothered to check before posting - what a time waster! There are several Anti China channels that are happy to post anything that makes China look bad, they are not EV experts and clearly don’t know the difference between an EV a HEV or a PHEV. Most of the fires I have seen have been in PHEVs. We restrict this topic to Thailand only as it much easier to fact check what is posted about Thailand. Most new EVs have moved away from NMC Cathode Chemistry to LFP which far safer and what we recommend here. Having said that all EVs are far less lightly to catch fire than ICE vehicles. Thanks to @JBChiangRai (I think) for posting this previously. Fire The figures are how often a car with an ICE engine under the bonnet catches fire compared to a pure EV, figures are per 100,000 sales so are harmonised to the fact there are more ICE vehicles on the road. Sweden 147 times more likely (3400/23) Petrol and diesel cars 20 times more likely to catch fire than EVs (thedriven.io) https://thedriven.io/2023/05/16/petrol-and-diesel-cars-20-times-more-likely-to-catch-fire-than-evs/ Singapore 118 times more likely (356/3) EV fire cases rise with growing adoption of such cars | The Straits Times https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/ev-fire-cases-rise-with-growing-adoption Australia 98 times more likely (393/4) Electric vehicle fires are very rare. The risk for petrol and diesel vehicles is at least 20 times higher (theconversation.com) https://theconversation.com/electric-vehicle-fires-are-very-rare-the-risk-for-petrol-and-diesel-vehicles-is-at-least-20-times-higher-213468 America 199 times more likely (5004/25.1) Government data show gasoline vehicles are up to 100x more prone to fires than EVs | Electrek https://electrek.co/2022/01/12/government-data-shows-gasoline-vehicles-are-significantly-more-prone-to-fires-than-evs/ UK: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/20/do-electric-cars-pose-a-greater-fire-risk-than-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles

Welcome to the discussion @Johno57 here at EVs in Thailand we prefer facts over opinions, particularly if those opinions uniformed. ”Too damn expensive” - not sure what your budget is John, but if you could if could afford a new car then a Suzuki Swift is normally considered a cheap car. Anything cheaper would be considered very cheap. “resale value ridiculous” This one I have to agree with you. The prices of second hand EVs need to come down in price, they should at least be cheaper than new cars. “this battery car scam will disappear within a couple of years, and the world will rejoice” Not sure where you’re getting information from John, perhaps you can post a link. I’ve had solar batteries for 6 years and EVs for 4 and the don’t see them as a scam as I don’t have a PEA bill or fuel bill - doesn’t sound like a scam to me. As for EVs disappearing in a couple of years that doesn’t agree with rising sales of EV stats I posted above.

We keep getting told that EV sales are collapsing and that the EV boom is over. Legacy manufacturers are going back to manufacturing hybrids, even if Toyota’s case they will probably be made by BYD. BYD’s Sealion 6 DM-i Plug-in Hybrid is set to launch in Thailand on August 8, 2024 Manufactured in Thailand. PHEVs are a gateway to full EV ownership and bigger battery variants can be driven as EVs for all but road trips. In Europe there is currently a boom in EV sales of Chinese cars “Chinese EVs Nab Record 11% Share in Europe Ahead of Tariffs” https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-29/china-electric-car-brands-mg-byd-grab-record-europe-market-share EV sales in Thailand for Jan-June 2024 were ahead of the same period last year, the same can’t be said of Pickups sales.

Saw a video on the updated Seal by the Electric Viking The main thing seemed to be full 800 Volt architecture that means faster charging. I not bothered about an updated interior that he was raving about. To be honest I really think 150kW is fast enough. There are not that many chargers in Thailand that are much faster. Bjørn Nyland tested the Seal and said that it had a very flat charging curve, holding 150kW right up to 80% SOC, where as Teslas have a headline rate of 250kW, but only holding that until about 30-40% SOC then dropping down to 100kW

I have never worried about charging an EV in Thailand. I own 2 EVs and been driving EVs for years here, but what would you know about charging an EV in Thailand? You've clearly never done it. If Dealers are selling 10 year old Accords and Camrys for less than ฿400k, what do you think you will get on a trade in The words of an EV expert

My EV is filled at home as I don't do journeys over 580km. I don't have a PEA meter so all my power comes from excess solar in the middle of the day that would have been wasted Cost to fill up my EV is nothing.

In addition to the thousands of public EV chargers available in Thailand, BYD have over 100 dealerships that all have chargers. You can see the status of the chargers and book them in advance through the BYD app.

Let’s see just how wrong you are by looking at some facts rather uninformed opinions Distance: Seal AWD Performance range: First leg 580km Second leg: 264km 7km/kWh =37.7kWh needed for 264km Charging speed :150kW =15 minutes charging time. So you think 12hrs 21 minutes + 15 minutes charging is = to 3 days

Anybody considering buying a Camry or an Accord would be strongly advised to test drive a Seal Performance. Why pay more for a car that does 0-100 in 8 seconds when you could have Seal that does it in less than half that?

My BYD Seal has an 86kWh gross LFP battery and bi-directional charging. I originally planned to just use it just for backup power in an emergency but it is so efficient that I’m using it every night and so greatly reducing the cycles on my solar batteries. As a result I don’t have a PEA meter anymore and probably won’t have to replace my solar batteries in my lifetime. The Seal’s battery is warrantied for 160,000km when it will have at least 70% capacity. You really think I would consider selling my Seal?

@Yellowtail You cannot define a word by using the word itself It would be a circular definition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_definition