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Police are yet to formulate a believable story explaining the cause of Thawatchai’s death

1 hour ago, Wilsonandson said:

It's possible!

So they're saying he threaded his quite thick sock through that tiny gap between the hinge and the door??

Look at the top of the hinge: it is angled down so has absolutely nothing for the sock to cling to. Even in the sock was looped over the top, and pulled straight down, it would simply slide off - let alone stay while being pulled down and forward.

So he either threaded his quite thick sock through that tiny gap between the hinge and the door, or I'm even more sure they're telling lies.

25 minutes ago, Thian said:

 

What do the Dutch have to do with it?

 

I don't get it,  so Denmark wanted him back in arrest than why the Thai don't send him back? That's all they asked for isn't it?

 

 

25 minutes ago, chrisinth said:

 

Danish government.

 

But why aren't they getting involved as it was their warrant that has put this poor bloke where he is?

 

Crazy, crazy world.

Yes, wrong nationality - my mistake.

I was justly so flabbergasted by the outright idiocy of the situation!

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Military holds first suspect arrested for August attacks

Wait, "first"?!

• 13/08/2016 - Thai police arrest two men after deadly bomb blasts (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/937489-thai-police-arrest-two-men-after-deadly-bomb-blasts/)
• 16/08/2016 - Top police investigator scolds officers, suggests military arrested wrong guy (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/938013-top-police-investigator-scolds-officers-suggests-military-arrested-wrong-guy/)
• 17/08/2016 - Thailand issues arrest warrant for second suspect in deadly blasts (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/938052-thailand-issues-arrest-warrant-for-second-suspect-in-deadly-blasts/)
• 18/08/2016 - Suspect to be recharged concerning Tesco Lotus fire in Nakhon Si Thammarat (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/938238-suspect-to-be-recharged-concerning-tesco-lotus-fire-in-nakhon-si-thammarat/)
• 18/08/2016 - Military reveals it's held 17 bombing suspects since attacks (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/938382-military-reveals-its-held-17-bombing-suspects-since-attacks/)
• 19/08/2016 - Gen Prawit: 17 warrants not connected to attacks in 7 southern provinces (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/938536-gen-prawit-17-warrants-not-connected-to-attacks-in-7-southern-provinces/)
• 19/08/2016 - Pol Gen Chakthip: No suspects in bomb attacks held in police custody yet (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/938398-pol-gen-chakthip-no-suspects-in-bomb-attacks-held-in-police-custody-yet/)
• 20/08/2016 - Suspected arsonist of Tesco Lotus released on the quiet - flies to Chiang Mai to enter monkshood (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/938669-suspected-arsonist-of-tesco-lotus-released-on-the-quiet-flies-to-chiang-mai-to-enter-monkhood/)
• 23/08/2016 - New evidence prompts police to seek re-arrest of arson suspect (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/939011-new-evidence-prompts-police-to-seek-re-arrest-of-arson-suspect/)

• 23/08/2016 - Court rejects police's warrant on Southern bombing suspect (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/939167-court-rejects-polices-warrant-on-southern-bombing-suspect/)

• 05/09/2016 - Military holds first suspect arrested for August attacks

Lies, obfuscation, mistruths and outright incompetence aside, how on earth can the military hold the "first" suspect if several have been held before?

8 years in a Thai prison while going through the Thai (in)justice system because of a debt he owes the Dutch government - is there something I'm missing?? 

2 hours ago, webfact said:

Gen. Paiboon Kumchaya said it’s too early to speculate how former land official Thawatchai Anukul died in his cell at the Department of Special Investigation on early Tuesday morning

Of course, there's always the possibility that someone not employed by the DSI surreptitiously crept into the DSI building, broke into the holding cell, beat Thawatchai to death, and left the scene without being detected, but Occam's Razor would suggest that the person who beat him to death was a member (or members) of the DSI.

16 minutes ago, Caveat Emptor said:

Saw the first   '  class photo  '   of the G20 delegates and there was the PM in the back row being totally ignored while most of the others were happily chatting away to each other.

Was he simply obeying his hosts instructions to sit at the back and keep quiet   ?

Still it won't stop the official Thai releases as to what a roaring success he was.

Was he wearing his pyjamas traditional attire?

8 minutes ago, hansnl said:

Maybe, just maybe, if one looks at the "impressive list", a common thing can be found.

Yes, indeed, the religion of peace.

In that case, things get much clearer.

A role model indeed, for the EU maybe?

 

Not sure what this list makes clearer, except that adherents of this religion—infinitesimally small proportion of violent extremists included—are often persecuted, marginalised, and forced to give up their identity by the ruling elite...

5 minutes ago, gandalf12 said:

That list certainly is impressive, no doubt about that

1 hour ago, Thechook said:

Meanwhile there are floods in the country.  How do they stop the clouds drifting

They can't. In a report I've linked to previously, there is an example given regarding "large particle hygroscopic seeding trials involving warm-base convective clouds in Thailand and Texas, increases in rain were reported 3 to 12 hours after seeding was conducted, well beyond the time at which direct effects of seeding were expected and possibly outside the target area."

1,496,500,000 baht was allocated to the Department of Royal Rainmaking and Agricultural Aviation in FY 2014, and a further 1,563,400,000 baht in FY 2015, yet the country was wracked by its worst drought in 50 years - the only time that they can actually, possibly, maybe, "make" it rain is monsoon season...  

Sure seems like money well spent to me!

34 minutes ago, webfact said:

If time permits in New York, Thailand's experience in dealing with refugees and illegal migration may be shared with other countries.

• Thailand: Mass Graves of Rohingya Found in Trafficking Camp (https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/05/01/thailand-mass-graves-rohingya-found-trafficking-camp)

• Mass 'migrant prison camp' grave found in Thailand (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3063910/Mass-grave-boatpeople-southern-Thailand.html)

• At least 30 graves found in southern Thailand, and a lone survivor (http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/02/asia/thailand-mass-graves/)

• Southeast Asian migrant crisis: 'Ghost ship' carrying 350 starving Rohingya Muslims vanishes off Thailand (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/southeast-asian-migrant-crisis-ghost-ship-carrying-350-starving-rohingya-vanishes-off-thailand-1502045)

• Malaysia, Indonesia, but not Thailand, agree to take in Rohingya migrants (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/05/21/asia-pacific/social-issues-asia-pacific/malaysia-indonesia-will-take-boat-people-u-s-will-help-thailand-balks/#.V8yWQWVbtSU)

• Human Trafficking Thailand: Senior Army Officer Among 72 Indicted In Country's Biggest Crackdown (http://www.hngn.com/articles/112732/20150725/human-trafficking-thailand-senior-army-officer-72-indicted-countrys-biggest.htm)

• NAVY, ARMY OFFICERS CHARGED WITH HUMAN TRAFFICKING (http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2015/09/21/1442827280/)

• Thailand Deports 100 Uyghurs to China (http://thediplomat.com/2015/07/thailand-deports-100-uyghurs-to-china/)

• Thailand Rejects Claims it Killed Uyghurs Who Resisted Deportation (http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/thailand-uyghur-07092015140950.html)

• EU condemns Thailand’s deportation of Uighurs to China (https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/eu-condemns-thailand-s-deportation-of-uighurs-to-china/)

• Thailand links Bangkok shrine bomb to Chinese Uighurs for first time (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11866250/Thailand-links-Bangkok-shrine-bomb-to-Chinese-Uighurs-for-first-time.html)

What a role model.

1 minute ago, louse1953 said:

I presume you can back that last sentence up with fact and not just here say allegations.

Did I say they were facts? Or did I say "serious allegations"?

It is a fact that it has been alleged that senior politicians, top brass police and members of the army have been implicated in the human trafficking case that was first reported on 29 June. It is a fact that these allegations first came to light on 7 July, when ThaiVisa posted a story that contained the following quote:

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Lady Kai - who is not titled at all,just plain Monta Yokratanakan - is at the center of an alleged human trafficking case that is beginning to look murkier by the day. It has now been alleged that it could lead to senior politicians, top brass police and members of the army.

Again, on 7 July, ThaiVisa posted another story that read: 

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Human rights lawyer Songkan said that it is plain that politicians are involved and that "big police" and military men are involved in the alleged trafficking.

For the ten days up to this point, the focus of the investigation was on her alleged human trafficking and making false accusations; however, as soon as the allegations were made against "senior politicians, top brass police and members of the army," it was reported, on July 8, that she was whisked to prison and "held on Lese Majeste charges (Article 112) and an initial charge of making malicious accusations" - the human trafficking aspect of the case was sidelined by the timely use of the LM law, and has barely been heard of again.

On July 9 she was described as mentally unstable by a top policeman connected to the case, sowing further doubt into the public's mind regarding the veracity of the allegations against "senior politicians, top brass police and members of the army."

Indeed the two most recent stories published about her, one on 29 Augustand one just last Friday fail to mention anything about the human trafficking allegations and simply label her an "alleged con woman" and "alleged fraudster." 

Again, if Prayuth or the the military was really concerned about human rights, it would thoroughly investigate the serious allegations made against her, rather than doing the predictable whenever one of their own might get found out, and sweeping it all under the carpet.

10 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Interesting article today by the Scottish journalist that used to work for Reuters about the recent spate of suspicious deaths in custody. 

Yes, mandatory reading for anyone with an interest in Thailand.

I showed my wife, and her reply was a melancholy, "I know, darling." (And 112 other things I can't mention)

4 hours ago, JAG said:

I think it is very noble of him to attend, taking the time to allow the leaders of the world's 20 leading economies the opportunity to congratulate him in person on his herculean tenacity and wisdom in identitling Thailand's deeply  entrenched problems, and personally taking the steps to create and initiate a 20 year project to right them.

 

I'm sure this will be reflected in the official  press releases.

...and in the posts of a select few TV members.

1 hour ago, Caveat Emptor said:

Very good and not before time but it's a pity he mentioned human rights,   not really his thing is it   ?

Now will he do something about the total unnecessary re-enactments the BIB just love simply to get themselves in the media and which add nothing to the investigation but so often end up in a crowd control problem due to mis-handling,   again  !

Yes, I agree that it is a very good move by the PM.

There is a current story of an Australian woman and her British boyfriend accused of murdering a police officer in Bali - I was surprised to see them both taken to the scene of the crime for a re-enactment. I didn't realise this was a thing outside of Thailand!

1 hour ago, canuckamuck said:

Bittersweet. It is of course the right thing to do, but we all know the absurdity of the photos provided regular entertainment.  Fortunately the BIB are born entertainers and I am positive they won't let us down. The show must go on.

This one is certainly an entertainer: "A senior police source said the police always respect human rights and law. Before calling a press conference, police give papers for the suspects to sign their consent to be present at a press conference. The police would not bring the suspects to any press conference without their consent, he said."

In 2015, the budget for preserving the honour of something that—for 112 reasons—cannot legally be dishonoured exceeded the budget allocated to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Ministry of Ministry of Social Development and Human Security, and five other ministries.

47,310,290 baht or US$1,468,038 per day

I wonder how much that'll increase this year, now that the dreaded change has all but occurred.

1 hour ago, The stuttering parrot said:

Human rights like section 44?

What about  the human rights of the people rounded up for dare voicing a different opinion on the referendum ?

I could go on but everyone pretty much knows the history of the last few years.

 

According to iLaw (https://ilaw.or.th), in the two years since the coup, 926 people have been "invited for discussions" with the military, 527 have been arrested, 47 have been charged under the Sedition Law, and 167 civilians have been tried in military courts with no right of appeal.

In April 2016 alone, four people were summonsed to meet with the RTA, 10 were arrested for peaceful demonstrations, three people were arrested for lese majeste, and nine people were tried in military courts.

If the military was really concerned about human rights, it would thoroughly investigate the serious allegations against Mrs Chicken rather than charge her with LM violations and hope the public forget the high ranking police and military officials assisting her human trafficking business.

2 hours ago, lucky11 said:

Prayut is tackling all of these head on and making good progress. 

If one only reads the NNT, sure...

2 minutes ago, Winniedapu said:

 

It is human nature to believe or not believe a person based on what they look like first and what they say second. This guy is at the centre of the conspiracy to oust Sukumbhand so Abhisit, the serial loser can be a governor and Kown can take the 'Democrat' party into a coalition with the armed forces.

 

Sure, hes photogenic, sure he's good-looking and attractive to women. and sure he trades on these things. Reason enough to be suspicious of whatever he says.

 

Winnie

I get what you're saying, but I liked him before I ever saw what he looked like.

Conspiracy theories notwithstanding, he has quite an impressive CV.

Korn Chatikavanich was born in London, England. His father was Commissioner of the Customs Department, Commissioner of the Revenue Department, and Director of the Fiscal Policy Office. Korn read politics, philosophy and economics (PPE) at St. John's College, University of Oxford and graduated with honours.

Korn worked in asset management at SG Warburg while a student and joined the firm after his graduation. He left Warburg and returned to Thailand in 1988, founding J.F. Thanakorn, a joint venture between Jardine Flemings and Finance One. JF Thakakom became the Kingdom's largest brokerage by 1995-6 and became the first Thai investment bank to manage a public takeover, as well as the first to lead manage a Euro-convertible for a Thai firm, with Korn at the helm. In 1999, JF Thanakom was sold to JP Morgan (later JP MorganChase). Korn stayed on serving as President of J.P. Morgan (Thailand) Limited from 2000 to 2004.

Korn left JP Morgan in October 2004, joined the Democrat Party to run for office, and subsequently went on to win a seat in Bangkok’s 2nd constituency (Sathorn – Yannawa) in the general elections of February 2005. After the defeat of the Democrat Party, Abhisit Vejjajiva replaced Banyat Banthadthan as Democrat Party leader. Korn was appointed Deputy Secretary General and Secretary for Economic Affairs of the Party. He became a vocal member of the opposition to the government of Thaksin Shinawatra during the 2005-2006 Thai political crisis. During the same period, Korn played a major role in examining the economic policies of Thaksin's government including the Shin Corporation Deal Scandal.

Korn was appointed Finance Minister in the Abhisit administration in December 2009.

Korn's significant achievements as Minister of Finance include: a 117-billion-baht stimulus package initiated in January 2009 and a second stimulus package, valued over 1.4 trillion baht over 2010 - 2012. Most of the funds was spent in improving infrastructure in Thailand especially in the area of irrigation and transportation, public health, education, and tourism.

Korn also focused on policies that helped addressed social inequality and poverty such as pushing through the draft bill on land and building tax (property tax) in the Thai cabinet in April 2010 a part of an ambitious plan to overhaul the country's tax structure as the first step toward achieving a balanced budget.

Additionally, Korn helped refinance loan-shark debt for over 500,000 individuals, many of whom were being charged more than 100% per annum interest for their loans.

In January 2010, Korn was awarded "Finance Minister of the Year 2010" for both global and Asia Pacific regions by the Banker magazine of the Financial Times. The magazine complimented the Thai minister on his "financial management skills as he assumed the finance ministerial position in Thailand amid the economic stagnation. In addition, he was given credit for his contributions to promote and enhance financial and economic cooperation in ASEAN. Korn is the only Thai to have received both awards.

In 2010, given that Thailand had recorded impressive economic recovery despite its political turmoil, Korn was also considered for Euromoney magazine's Finance Minister of the Year award. However, that year the prize was given to Alexei Kudrin for his role in enabling Russia to pay off its foreign debt early.

As then Chair of the ASEAN Finance Ministers' meetings in 2009, Korn was also credited for helping with the creation of the Chiang Mai Initiative Multilateralization (CMIM), a regional foreign reserve pool in case of currency flow shortage.

After the Democrats were defeated in the 2011 election, Korn's term as finance minister ended and he subsequently took on the role of Shadow Deputy Prime Minister for Economic Affairs in Abhisit Vejjajiva's shadow cabinet. He was replaced by Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) economist Thirachai Phuvanatnaranubala.

In May 2011, the editorial pages of both the Japan Times and the South China Morning Post mentioned Korn as a possible candidate to replace Dominique Strauss-Kahn as head of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) for "his deep understanding of financial markets". Moreover, it was mentioned that the position should not be limited to candidates exclusively from the US and the European Union, as there were many good candidates from Africa, Asia and Latin America.

When it comes to finances, he seems to know his stuff. The good general, on the other hand...

5 hours ago, Plutojames88 said:

The propaganda is now rampant .

Media is restricted as is.

 

Gaoled ordinary folk.

No crimes.

Junta laws.

 

Sanctions please ,....or explain to us why not....?

 

This country is an utter disgrace to the dignity of mankind

What do you mean the media is restricted? 

25 minutes ago, ramrod711 said:

He's too smart to get involved.

Too smart for them to let him be involved...

I'm curious to know who these people are, so we can ascertain their political leanings. It would be nice if this was a genuine effort or simply a Thaksin-loyalist witch hunt.

The more I read about this guy I like him.

2 hours ago, rooster59 said:

On the economic front, the Prime Minister has asked members of the press to foster public understanding regarding the ongoing economic slowdown,

Appointing military thugs, cronies, and sycophants to senior ministerial positions and state-owned enterprise board positions - I'd say the public well understands the ongoing economic slowdown. Whether they feel safe enough to discuss it is another matter altogether.

2 hours ago, rooster59 said:

saying the problem is deeply entrenched

After the farcical referendum, the problem is definitely deeply entrenched!

Or, if one still thinks I'm spewing baseless allegations, there is this article, written by a Thai associate professor at Kyoto University’s Center for Southeast Asian Studies.

http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/thai-junta-beset-by-corruption-scandals/