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Correct me if I’m wrong but NATO was created to contain the Soviet Union. Soviet Union is no more so NATO’s raison d’etre is also no more. However the generals are greedy to continue the grift for obvious reasons. 

5 minutes ago, transam said:

I maintain a car & bike chap, though they don't have a lead/acid battery, you will have to follow me more closely.....😘

 

 

Sorry to disappoint but I do have better other things to do with my time.

That’s right. Spend billions to defend your trade with China against… China.

6 minutes ago, transam said:

Can ICE rides have a lithium 12 volt battery...?

Of course. Doesn’t yours? Oh I forgot, you don’t own a car.

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Really, are you sure, I thought they all had a 12volt battery to energise stuff....🤗

 

Tell me how yours does that job..........?   😉

You really should get with the times. BYD uses a lithium ion 12 volt battery, not lead acid.

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Fairytales I think I am not aware of any car that can travel 1,000km without stopping on just fresh air and sunshine

As @JBChiangRai said, some anti-EV folks read what they want. Neither of us claimed that we travelled 1,000 km without stopping. But you are right. I lied. I have done 5,378 kms so far on fresh air and sunshine, not 1,000.

36 minutes ago, In the jungle said:

 

"My car travels on fresh air and… sunshine lol."

 

.....and the toxic mess that is its battery.

Is that so? Strange, I put my nose next to my non-existent tailpipe and can’t smell anything. Put yours next to your diesel tailpipe and tell me which floral fragrance it emits.

4 hours ago, In the jungle said:

 

I think I got the 65 litre figure from either Toyota's website or a brochure but at least one time a fuel station recorded a higher figure when filling up.  I assumed the fuel metering was suspect but maybe your 76 litre figure is right.

WHAT!? Thb 2,300 just to travel 1,000 km? You diesel pickup truck drivers must be rich. My car travels on fresh air and… sunshine lol.

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

A reservation confirms that you plan to place an order and holds your place. An order is the actual purchase of your selected vehicle

You are really just playing with semantics. Yes, all reservations for BYD’s may not (and probably won’t) end up in actual sales. Many possible reasons; change of mind, change of personal circumstances, loan rejection etc. Same could happen for Toyota and any other manufacturer.

The important takeaway however is that the interest is there. More potential buyers are more interested in buying a BYD than a Honda. This shows that interest in EVs are not flagging, dashing the hopes and dreams of some anti-EVers.

14 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Thanks @Pib. I find that EV are always online intriguing, but also alarming. Of course our phones also collect data, but with the cars we have hardware, software, firmware and all data access rules made in China 🇨🇳. 

I assume the car don't have options as to what data are shared similar to what most phone apps have?

Is there any options to see what or even just how much data the car uploads?

Apparently the car manufacturer can remotely disable the car. It could be a handy feature for the repo-guy, but so far no reports of it happening in Thailand.....yet.

I don’t find it alarming in the slightest. What is the manufacturer going to find out? On Monday morning, I went to eat Khao soi. On the way home, I stopped at HomePro. Went home. In the afternoon, went to a PTT to enjoy watching suckers drive up to a gas pump and hand over hard earned money to the oil company. Then went for dinner at a seafood restaurant and back home. Yeah, absolutely essential information for a car manufacturer and also the Chinese government. (incidentally, Google has been doing this for years). 
Additionally, the Chinese government now also knows that I listen to Spotify while driving and watch YouTube while stopped for longer periods. Also that my preferred aircon setting is 23 degrees with a fan speed of 3. Oh dear, my personal data is being collected and… and… don’t know what.

As @josephbloggs said, it’s absolutely hilarious how some think they are so important that any government wants to collect data on them.

As to the being disabled remotely, I’ve never in my life defaulted on any repayments so zero fear of repossessions. I wish I have the ability to remotely disable the car in case anyone borrows it without permission.

All this fear mongering is western governments way of controlling their population as they realise the masses are waking up to their sham democracies.

44 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Like BEV is not subsidised? 

 

   First , all processes have a loss, mining minera or for BEV has a loss , or or distilling petroleum. in  water electrolysis electrolysis the oxygen byproduct also has commercial value.

    I just posted a quote and a link , where they plan to use excess heat at nuclear plants and little electric to produce hydrogen 

"Japan plans hydrogen production with next-generation nuclear reactor — using heat and only minimal electricity  "

"The country’s nuclear research agency, the Japan Atomic Energy Agency (JAEA), last week passed a safety test on its novel High Temperature Gas Cooled Reactor (HTGR), and is now planning hydrogen production field trials using waste heat from the plant as soon as 2028, Japanese daily Nikkei reported. "

https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/production/japan-plans-hydrogen-production-with-next-generation-nuclear-reactor-using-heat-and-only-minimal-electricity/2-1-1621135

This is not the only process available. solar cells are very cheap. and they are working on other processes . Just as battery technology did not remain static, so will Hydrogen technology. We were vacationing in Greece last year, people with unproductive land are starting to line it up with solar cells and selling the electricity to the electric company, who is to say that when there is a demand for hydrogen they can not do the same .  

 

As I originally said, at this point BAV is the way to go, but as a stop gap option until the hydrogen production , transportation and overall infustracture is developed. I think 10-15 years ,  At this juncture I would also buy a BAV because IMO it makes better overall sense than ICE 

No reason why both BEV and FCEV can not  co-exist but I think scale of economies will eventually make BEV obsolete,

Keep in mind that both fuel Cell an "BEV are both BEV , Fuel cell is just another battery. But for the sake of argument we now use the Fuel cell and BEV nomenclature to differentiate between the two, but  it confuses some to think that if someone is for fuel cell is against evs , which could not be further from the truth.

  One also makes the mistake to compare  today's BEV stats, with Today's fuel cell stats.  Fuel Cell has not even started  and BEV is pretty much established. 

IMO the advantages of hydrogen fuel cell are so many that current BEV  could not possibly compete. But who is to say that tomorrow they don't come up  with a solid state battery that is easily  made from  common and abundant material that is light and charges in 5 min,, or even quantum zero point energy. (ZPE)

  By the way hydrogen does not need to be pressurized to be transported .

' Breakthrough research enables high-density hydrogen storage for future energy systems

Date:March 6, 2024"

"This innovative research centers around a nanoporous magnesium borohydride structure (Mg(BH₄)₂), showcasing the remarkable capability to store hydrogen at high densities even under normal atmospheric pressure. "

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/03/240306150645.htm

 

 

It doesn’t make sense to me to use the electricity generated by wind and/or solar power to then produce hydrogen that would then have to be worked on (compressed, freezes etc) and then transported over land to thousands of filling stations to be pumped into cars when the electricity produced can just be transmitted over power lines to your home to charge your EV. 
 

Talk about inefficiency.

10 minutes ago, idealistic123 said:

Before writing my verdict about the last few days with the BYD Atto 3 I want to point out that this has been my first experience using an EV as my daily driver.  
Due to that I haven’t been able to sign up with all the companies that provide charging stations.
In fact I only charged at PEA Volta stations since I wasn’t able to use my Thai Debit card with most other providers. 
(The bank still has my old phone number that’s why I couldn’t receive the OTP-Code that you need for verification...my fault). 
 

I really like the Atto 3. 
It’s fun to drive, comfortable and spacious.

The only thing I don’t like is the interior.
But that’s just my personal taste. 

 

So would I buy an EV?
Absolutely, going back to oil, gas and all the mechanical parts feels like going back to the past. 
Also driving an EV in Thailand is so much cheaper than driving an ICE. 
(EV: ~100 THB / 100km @ 15kWh and 6 THB per kWH - ICE: ~270 @ 7liter and 39 THB per liter) 

 

But can I imagine owning an EV without having a Wall Box at home? 

 

Unfortunately, no. 

 

Granny charging is ok but at the 1,8 kWh  that I got at our house you need 9 hours to add 100km of range. 

Better than nothing but not really satisfied with this idea. 
 

The public charging infrastructure is ok as well. 
However I passed a lot of charging stations throughout the days and many were occupied.

Sometimes even with people waiting in line. 

Also charging speeds are rather slow. (Claimed 120kW stations only charging at 45kW) 

 

All in all I’m just not the type of guy that enjoys driving to gas stations and sitting there for 30-60 minutes. 
Currently sitting in the car for 40 minutes already while writing this post and I’m already kind of annoyed. 
 

So my verdict is:
EV yes if I was able to install a wall box at home and charge there more efficiently. Ideally combined with some solar panels.

I’m just a tenant so this isn’t an option at the moment.  

Being dependent on public chargers and planning my daily life so that I only visit places with chargers nearby isn’t an option for me. 

Well said. As many of us have stated previously, the ability to charge at home is very important. I have a wall charger but believe it or not, I hardly use it. If I’m at home during the day, I usually just use my granny charger as I have solar and my wall charger is on another circuit. This is normally sufficient for my daily driving. Over the weekend, I charge it up fully as I have TOU as well.

With an EV, it’s always better to charge when you can rather than when you have to. This becomes second nature in no time. I’ve done over 6,000 km in my Dolphin and I’m yet to visit a public charging station.