Gweiloman

All this talk above about sales figures are interesting but I don’t really consider it as very relevant when talking about whether EVs are a good purchase or not. What is ultimately most important is the owner’s’ experiences and whether he/she would recommend it to others and/or purchase another when the time comes.

i recently had some friends from Aus and Hkg visiting for a few days so I was ferrying the 6 of us all over CM, going for meals, shopping, massages etc. Some of the time, my other half (typical Thai girl size) would actually sit in the boot while 3 adults were in the back seat. When the boot was full with bags of goodies, then there would be 4 adults in the back row. This is easily possible without too much discomfort in an EV as there isn’t a transmission tunnel. A real positive in an EV compared to an ICEV.

When we got back to the AirBnb, I just plugged it in to charge for as long as we were stationary, saving time and expense along the way. Yet another positive over an ICEV.

For those genuinely researching EVs, this is the real world. Ignore the ignoramuses such as IQ72 and his obsolete supporters, some of whom I believe are secretly envious and their uneducated and sometimes bald faced lies about charging and so on. Real (not claimed Tesla) EV owners and drivers will tell you the unadulterated truth, warts and all.

3 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

 

 

Here you go: 28 registered for March compared to 26 in February.

 

 

Breaking news! Sales of ICE (Suzuki Ciaz) increased by a staggering 7% in March over February. EVs are no longer saleable as evidenced by BYD’s zero sales during the motor show.

9 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

So no one has ever lost control of an extremely high performance ICE?  Should I show some videos of ICE cars losing it and crashing?  My God you are a bore. What are you trying to prove? I don't get it.

He has ran out of arguments to show that EVs aren’t any good and now just trawling through the internet to find anything that he can. Next, we might see a video from him of an EV getting a puncture as his proof that EV tires can be punctured.

On 3/29/2024 at 9:17 AM, vinny41 said:

BYD SEAL U DM-i  available 1st April 2024 

https://www.thairath.co.th/news/auto/news/2774190

Haval H6 PHEV

Discount 300,000 ! Official price thailand/ (Plug-in Hybrid) : 1,399,000 baht | Pure electric run 201 km.

https://autolifethailand.tv/discount-official-price-haval-h6-phev-thailand/

The above are PHEV someone on this forum currently owns the Haval H6 Phev 

I have a Haval H6 PHEV. It wasn’t cheap, Thb 1.7 million but I believe GWM has reduced the price to around Thb 1.4 million. 
 

I absolutely love the car. It smooth, comfortable, spacious especially when the back seats are down. 4 dogs plus luggage in track, no problem. I get a real world range of about 160-170 km on a full charge, normal city driving with occasional dual carriageway speeds of 100 kmh. I have hardly spent any money on petrol except when I do long distance trips. As @sirineoupointed out, I would probably never recover the premium price over an equivalent ICE but I have no regrets as it’s an extremely well made car, easily comparable to much more expensive European imports.

To me, it’s currently the best PHEV available, in part due to its electric range.

13 hours ago, Lee65 said:

 

How clever!  Just revealing your true character for all to see.

 

 

Plenty of vids on YouTube showing EVs lined up to charge.  Wake up, you're living in denial.

You claimed that you saw a queue at a PTT station, which is IN Thailand, so I called your bluff. You responded by posting a video in Australia which compounded your falsehood. I’m sorry I called your bluff for all to see.

There! I apologised. Would an EVangelist, even when right, ever apologise to a non-believer? That’s proof positive that EV owners are not EVangelists lol.

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

I guess this disproves this statement from another ev OP... "We EV owners are not arrogant at all."

I am that poster you are referring to. I don’t see how @Bandersnatch’s comment is arrogant. It’s just pointing out facts.

12 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

The farcical, ‘EV’s will save the planet’ drive, stemming from the liberal elite in Brussels / Strasbourg, is unravelling at pace. The second hand EV market in the UK has imploded; a huge percentage of initial purchases were from tax incentivised fleet purchases, and nobody wants to buy their 3 year old EV’s with no idea or history of battery degradation.

 

The bubble has well and truly burst in Europe, with thousands that bought EV’s privately scrambling to sell them to return to ICE’s

 

Thailand were behind Europe in being coerced into taking part in this appalling, failed experiment; it will consequently take a bit longer for the realisation of the utter folly to be acknowledged here, which gives any EV owners here a window, albeit a brief one, to sell their cars and get back on the gas.     

I’m extremely impressed that as a non-EV owner, you can so confidently predict what EV owners here are going to do in the near future. Sadly though, you couldn’t be more wrong. As an EV and ICEV owner, I can tell you that I will be highly unlikely to sell my EV to go back to an ICEV. I would be foolish to do that, considering that an EV has so many more advantages over an ICEV.

14 hours ago, Jake72 said:

 

50kW is not a fast charger, it will take 1-2 hours to charge most EVs. Also I only get 35 when filtering with 50kW+ stations and still they are mostly single stations with only 2 plugs. Note I filter only existing stations, not including planned and future. I think it doesn't help anyone to lie about the charging network available in Thailand.

In EV charging terms, 50kW is considered rapid which is faster/more rapid/quicker/speedier than fast charging so your first statement is technically correct in letter but not in spirit.

Technically again, you are also correct in saying that it would take 1-2 hours to charge most EVs from 0-100%. However, this is highly uncommon as most genuine EV owners know (I’m referring here to public charging on road trips). The most efficient way to charge on a road trip is from 10-20% to 80%. On a PEA 50kWh charger, this would take about 40 mins or so. If charging from 30%-80%, the time taken would be even less so 50kW is plenty quick enough.

Since you drove a Tesla for a few years in BKK, iirc, how often did you have to wait 1-2 hours at a public charging station to charge your Tesla?

16 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

You don't read the posts by the ev zealots do you... perspective is a funny thing... if you are skewed in one direction or another... anything out of your center of vision is also skewed.

I don’t see any EV zealots on this forum. A few enthusiastic owners like @KhunLA, @JBChiangRai and myself who are very happy with our purchase but we don’t tell everyone that they should also own one. Posters like @Bandersnatch who believe in renewables and willingly share their knowledge and experience with others without condemning non-believers (unlike some anti-EVers).

All of us were (and some still are) ICE owners so you can hardly cal our perspective skewed. I put it to you that it’s those that haven’t or don’t own an EV that has a skewed perspective about EV ownership.

13 hours ago, Sandboxer said:

Club it like a real baby seal and put yourself out of the misery of owning one of these donkeys.

Envy is one of the seven cardinal sins and is not a pretty sight. If you had paid more attention in school, you might have had a better job and could now afford a better car and saved money in the process.

16 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

I just got back from the Bangkok Motor Show.  Highlights:

The MG Cyberster looks fantastic in the flesh, and very nice on the inside too. @JBChiangRai you will be happy.

The Ioniq 5 is also great.
Xpeng G6 and G9 very interesting, the P7i was pretty wow.

I hadn't heard of this before but there is a Neta GT and it looks great inside and out. Could be a real Seal challenger.

GWM Tank is a beast and very cool.
Volvo XC30 feels superb inside but unfortunately a bit small for my needs as I am tall and there's hardly any room behind if you have your seat right back, but otherwise a fab car.
The Xeekr 007 and Xeekr X look interesting if a little quirky. The other Xeek'rs were a bit weird for my taste.
The Lumin actually feels like a really solid little city car. The interior feels well made with very good quality switch work, everything felt very solid for a car of that price.
BYD Sealion feels good too.

In short the future is clearly Chinese and their products are very high quality. Wandering round the legacy automakers was like looking back in to the 90s, except for Volvo and Audi - especially the eTron which look gorgeous. Very expensive though at 6m and 8m for different trims levels although there is a 1.2m discount on offer during the show.

Annoyingly hardly any cars had pricing information and I couldn't be bothered to ask at each manufacturer as I would have been there all day. Not sure if it's because this was the press day and the prices will be transparent for the public days, not sure.

Finally, it looks like BYD will be launching four new models, including one hypercar type shape (they were all under covers).

Oh, and Tesla are not even there.

Photo dump below (sorry, not very well sorted).

 

I’m extremely disappointed that you hardly took any pictures of the models. I see only 2 or 3. Pretties I mean lol.

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Not at all like you and the ev or die crowd... right???

We EV owners are not arrogant at all. Maybe a bit more progressive thinking than the ICE diehards. We aren’t virtue signallers either although which part of less airborne pollution is a bad thing?

10 hours ago, Lee65 said:

 

Let's say we accept for the moment those (old) stats as accurate.  Many/most "detached houses" are on tiny plots of land and/or are rented, occupied by poor people, or are otherwise unsuitable for solar installations.

 

A new reason why EVangelists are so annoying has occurred to me: EVs are status symbols.  "Look at me!  How smart I am!  AND that's not all ... I have home solar!  You, plebs, cannot possibly understand how clever this is!"

 

PS:  Witnessed this evening yet another line up for the charging stations at a local PTT.  

 

 

Just because you live in a rented room on top of soi Buakhao doesn’t mean others do. 
 

Your post script is obviously made up. Unlike ICEVs, EVs don’t line up to charge. You wouldn’t really know there is queue even if there was one as the cars would just be parked up. Try harder.

11 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

11 is correct, congratulation, you have learned something new today. 

Now that we agree to 11, it is showing how fast the EV propaganda machine was spinning when numbers of 100+ were shared by many EVanglists.

If you can articulate what part of the math u are unable to comprehend, maybe I can educate you.

I find it odd that you shoot the messenger rather than acknowledging that the Saul Goodman lawyer have bad data on their site. Even more so since the data are false both for ICE and EV.

Before thinking of educating others, you should educate yourself first.

This will be good for ASEAN countries, especially when the whole network is completed, connecting all the way down through Malaysia into Singapore. This will really open up trade and tourism for all these countries, especially since China has granted visa exempt status for both Malaysian and Thai citizens.

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

I am glad you asked and out of respect for the Fortuner I will happily do so.

The ICE fire number is from NTSB and based on 100,000+ fires, you can easily verify it.

The 5 EV fires/billion miles are based on about 40 Tesla fires, not a great statistically base, but it the best we have for now.

5 fires/ billion miles is equivalent to 1 fire/ 200 million miles.

Using the lawyers numbers of 3 EV fires/1000 vehicle lifetimes,  1 in 333 cars will go up in flames over its lifetime.

200 million miles/ 333 = 600,000 miles/lifetime

Similar for ICE:

(105 fires/1000 lifetime) / (56 fires/billion miles) =1,875,000 miles/lifetime

 

Clearly 10% of ICE vehicles don't burn and the lawyers numbers are way to high, both for EVs and ICE vehicles. 

 

Your oil industry math is totally nonsensical and illogical. Your provided data however does show that ICEVs are 11 times more likely to catch fire than EVs, that’s all.

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

I told you that you wouldn't read the sources... keep your mind closed... ev infrastructure is lagging behind.

In all honesty, I think it’s your mind that’s closed. 
 

Thoughts and opinions, particularly those supported by credible sources and research, are welcome. They make for good, fun and interesting debates. You can also make up your own, not facts, but theories but they should at least be logical and pass the smell test at first look. SEA is a hot region so fires (which are also hot) are more frequent unfortunately does not pass aforesaid tests.

EV infrastructure is lagging behind in some countries and places, I agree with you. But here in Thailand, it seems to be keeping pace quite nicely. I almost never ever see a queue for charging, probably because most drivers charge at home anyway. Open your mind and you will realise that your misconceptions about EVs are based on a wrong ICEV owner mindset and approach.