Gweiloman

Unlike my post about the imminent collapse of the EU, the Sino-Russian gas pipeline has no relevance to this topic. In any case, PoS1 was built in about 5 years so I imagine that with the extra urgency, PoS2 could be built in a similar amount of time. Construction might also begin earlier. I doubt that Russia will fail before Europe. Weaker countries than Russia have survived western sanctions for many years and Russia has many friends. I probably know more about American affairs than the average American. Did you know that some MAGA supporters didn’t even realise there was an insurrection in their own country? And even some elected officials don’t know who the real president is? And that TC is one of the most watched show in America? He is even welcomed in Hungary lol.

Are you suggesting that American citizens (not dual nationals) might be forcibly drafted into the Russian army? That’s what I understand from your post.

Lol. When do you think renewables will replace fossil fuels? If it’s just round the corner, then why is Europe so worried at the moment? There is already an existing pipeline to China. Not sure if it’s operating at full capacity though. If not, I imagine that it will be soon.

Some posters have suggested this. Let’s say it’s true. What then? Will Europe then wave the white flag, pleading, please, please, don’t attack our pipeline? What is this supposed signal to the west meant to achieve?

Hmmm, seems like you are unable to see the big picture, an important ability when discussing geopolitical matters. This thread is about acts of sabotage (terrorism). Thus, it’s only natural to talk about potential bad actors, reasons for the sabotage and possible consequences. The US needs a weak but united Europe to keep up its proxy war against Russia. They saw that Europe was beginning to splinter because they have shot themselves in the lungs (The European Union has "shot itself in the lungs" with ill-considered economic sanctions on Russia, which, unless rolled back, risk destroying the European economy, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said on Friday.) So, in a desperate attempt to try and keep Europe unified, they executed this highly illegal act of sabotaging the NS pipes, thinking that Europe will be so angered that they will band together again, against Russia. Big miscalculation and now they are scrambling. Plenty of Americans are now believing that it is the US that did this, according to Fox News. Even Tucker Carlson, America’s top anchor is spouting this point of view.

The depth of the pipes is only 70 metres. Don’t need a submarine, just a few well trained divers I would imagine. I’m not saying they did it, just that they also have a possible motive. My money is still on that most warmongering and disruptive country in the world, USA. They are even willing to fight their own countrymen to put a treasonous criminal in the highest office in the land. Don’t forget, he believed Putin over his own intelligence agencies. And he is also hinting that Biden is responsible for this terroristic act.

I never said anything about Poland being opposed to the fight against Russia, but that Poland is not happy with EU. Not everything is about the war. Try to keep up. Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki labeled as “scandalous” comments by European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen that the EU has “the tools” to deal with a member state if things “go in a difficult direction.” At a conference at Princeton University on Thursday, von der Leyen was asked about the candidates in Sunday’s legislative elections in Italy, but she included Poland and Hungary in her response. “If things go in a difficult direction — and I’ve spoken about Hungary and Poland — we have the tools,” von der Leyen said, in a clear reference to the Commission’s ability to cut funds allocated to EU governments when they are deemed to be violating the rule of law. “Von der Leyen’s statement was scandalous,” Morawiecki said in the Polish town of Świdnik on Saturday, the state-run news agency PAP reported. “She said Brussels had the tools to discipline Italy if it created a government that would not be in favor of Brussels,” he was quoted as saying. “Is this the Europe we want? … That Eurocrats in Brussels dictate what the government should be?” Morawiecki asked. “This is not the rule of law; it is a dictate and the lack of the rule of law,” the prime minister said.

They can walk, can’t they?

One good thing coming out of this terrorist act is that Russia is now forced to look to the east to sell their gas. Naturally, China will be their biggest customer and China will benefit from the cheap gas that Europe had been enjoying for decades. Australia will suffer (natural gas is a much cleaner fuel then coal). China will build pipelines as part of their BRI and supply gas to Central and SEA. All this time, Europe will be forced to import much more expensive LNG from US and Qatar. This is the beginning of the end for Europe and when that happens, the US will diminish in power alongside Europe. The future belongs to the Global South and the East.

Exactly. Part of the US masterplan to keep Europe dependent. The US is afraid of European countries breaking away from the EU (a US vassal) and aligning more with the rest of the world, BRICS, SCO etc. This sea change is already happening with Hungary, Poland, Italy, Serbia and so on. There are multiple protests against the Russian sanctions, a US initiative. Germans are calling for the opening of NS2. Blowing it up puts an end to those protests. More and more, whichever way you look, the evidence is stacking up against the US. Of course, some posters are so brainwashed that they can’t see it. Much like QAnon followers.

A recent Al Jazeera video raised some interesting points. The pipeline is Russia’s trump card over Europe. It’s nonsensical to think that Russia would kill their own trump card. Also, the area in which the sabotage occurred is right at the heart of the US sphere, at the control of US intelligence, in the Baltic Sea. Furthermore, if Russian forces can breach such an area, it doesn’t bode well for the US.

No. In any case, all the other providers will most likely partner with zte or Huawei.

French ambassadaor specifically say's he's only speculating. Haha. And none of you are? Lol Is the Polish MEP also speculating? But I get it. You have your point of view and you won’t be changing your mind anytime soon, if at all. We will never know who was responsible as all the evidence will point to one direction and no one will dare to name the real culprit. It will be evidence inconclusive, case closed.

You mean that if an American citizen gets citizenship from another country, they cease being American citizens? Dual nationality not allowed? Lol. And no, he won’t be called up to fight. He’s not a reservist. The call up wasn’t a draft. Try to get your facts right.

Didn’t you post earlier somewhere that you like to check all sources? A 45 minute video too long to watch? Guess you only scan headlines then.

Not only Biden. Someone called Victoria Nuland said the same. It’s clear as daylight as to who the culprit is and the underlying undeniable reasons. But blind are those that do not see. And the Polish MEP has already pointed the finger at the US.

Unbelievable. You asked for the source, I provided it for you and you can’t even bring yourself to listen to it. At around the 9 min mark, Alexandra Filippenko. Not please stop accusing me of spreading falsehoods; I’d hate to report you. You also said that there was nothing about the sabotage. Are you actually watching the correct video? At around the 6-7 min mark, the former French ambassador clearly states economic benefits for those that are selling liquid gas to Europe. I know, it’s deflating when the truth doesn’t suit.

He’s an American citizen, unless his citizenship has been revoked for telling the truth? Facts and truth a rarity in America nowadays and definitely not popular.

How so?

Really? ROFLMAO

Advice to those worried about their information falling into China’s hands. Don’t have a smartphone. Use a landline instead lol. Or live in another country without Chinese tech (good luck with that lol).

As if the Chinese government is interested in your info lol. Ever heard of Edward Snowden?

Could be. But the implication was very strong that it was a ‘far away’ country or countries. At the moment, it could either be Qatar or the US, depending on who has the ability. Another revelation that came to light was that there was a possible deal for gas supply to resume in exchange for Ukraine giving up 20% of its territory. This would give Ukraine a motive as well. No good theories as to why Russia would sabotage their own pipeline when all they had to do was just turn a tap.

Good thing about fully or partially state-owned Chinese companies are that they can do business with anyone they choose, unlike some American companies that are blocked by their own govt.

Nobody may be benefitting yet. Even Claude Blanchemaison, the former French Ambassador suggests that the beneficiaries are those that supply gas to Europe.