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Baerboxer
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10 minutes ago, 5633572526 said:
If the figures this government were giving out were accurate there would be no need for a curfew and everything should be open. The fact they they continue with this drunken orgy of control tells you they are not giving true numbers or are using this to keep political protests under wraps.
I suspect that now that they are running out of excuses to continue this level of control there will be a mysterious rise in covid cases to justify the covid coup.
What's your PhD in - Sophistry and illogical conclusions?
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9 hours ago, bodga said:
Claptrap, and this govt will use this rubbish mercilessly to promote themsleves, social distancing is the last thing any Thais do, I shall await future research as to why some countries have had little impact with cv19 inc surrounding countries. Whether climate affects the results or not, outdoor lifestyle etc.
Claptrap - indeed your post is! Whilst it's true to say much much more research needs to be done to determine the different effects in different countries, the Thai people have and are behaving far better than citizens in other countries. The UK has and is still shambolic.
I visited a shopping mall yesterday. First time since the easing. Very impressed at the precautions on entry, on entering individual shops within the mall and the general sensible behavior of the vast majority of the people in the mall.
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On 5/26/2020 at 2:34 PM, Thaiwrath said:
June 30th headline:
Country under state of emergency until July 31st !
Pathetic, power mad leaders.
Yes, all this Covid nonsense, probably all a hoax.
All the governments around the world battling huge infection and death numbers, all a big hoax.
Thailand, handling it far better than most, at a government, business and population level, need to listen to the knowledgeable geniuses on TVF.
Have you emailed, Donald, Boris, Macron, etc etc etc to tell them they're power mad pathetic losers too?
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On 5/26/2020 at 2:34 PM, Thaiwrath said:
June 30th headline:
Country under state of emergency until July 31st !
Pathetic, power mad leaders.
Yes, all this Covid nonsense, probably all a hoax.
All the governments around the world battling huge infection and death numbers, all a big hoax.
Thailand, handling it far better than most, at a government, business and population level, need to listen to the knowledgeable geniuses on TVF.
Have you emailed, Donald, Boris, Macron, etc etc etc to tell them they're power mad pathetic losers too?
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On 5/17/2020 at 7:43 PM, BritManToo said:
I'd say go home to your girlfriend.
This isn't your child, and isn't really your business. He's an adult with his own partner and own home.
As an old guy you get to pick and choose the problems you deal with in your twilight years.
It would be nice to think your post was written as some odd humor or when under the influence.
Sadly, I think it rather does reflect your view on life.
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3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:
Including the Daily Mail?!
Strange goings on in the press. The Mail, Telegraph and Sun all rounding on Cummings and ignoring the 4 Labour MP's who broke the rules.
Cummings has made some powerful enemies!
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3 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:Probably true but we are talking about Cummings in this thread, a government employee who was the architect of regulations designed to save thousands of lives, regulations he drove a coach and horses through. I don't think he should resign, I think he should be sacked.....today.
Surgeon initially backed her former medical officer staying in the job. Even though she broke the rules twice, never offered a good reason and also never self quarantined after traveling. Sturgeon definitely pushed her to resign once she weighed up all the public sentiments.
Boris would be well advised to sack him. He can't back track his support. Sturgeon back tracked behind the scenes. Too late for that, Boris needs to be seen to act. If he's got any sense, he'll use the lying about Barnard Castle once confirmed by the police.
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15 minutes ago, stevenl said:
Those 4 labour MP's were not involved in drawing up these rules, admitted violating the rules, did not try to obfuscate the issue, can be removed by their constituents if they so want, are not the topic of this thread.
As you can see many differences.
Those 4 Labour MP's, one a shadow Minister, broke the rules because it suited them too. How many other laws and rules do they consider themselves to be above? The admitted it - of course no apology or remorse because they believe themselves above all the plebs.
As elected public servants they must have a higher transparent code of behavior and adherence to the rules.
They should be judged by the electorate. Not in 5 years, but as soon as possible. Decency demands they resign. But as we see time and time again, decency and the Labour party in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
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3 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52806086
Junior minister Douglas Ross resigns saying Dominic Cummings' view on lockdown guidance 'not shared by majority'
And it rumbles on...
It's becoming clear that a great many in the Conservative Party, Conservative MP's and government, don't like Cummings to say the least!
Shame Ross has resigned. He should've just waited. If Cummings is shown to have lied. then he will have to go.
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2 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:
Agreed. What time will Cummings be kicked out of Number 10?
The two things are not connected by time. We have to await the report from Durham Police after they've completed their inquiries. Given the acting Commissioner and Chief Constable are on it, that shouldn't be too long. If he shown to have been lying, unquestionably, then he should be dismissed immediately. He's an employee.
The 4 Labour MP's must be hounded in the same way by the press until they resign. They are free to stand for election again, thereby giving their electorate the chance to re-elect or not.
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Just now, stevenl said:
Really sad you try to twist the topic about labour.
You mean sad that 4 Labour MPs transgressions and their leader's apathy can't be swept under the carpet.
Once you allow a justice system to be subservient to political will and agendas you threaten democracy. An independent justice system, fair and impartial to all, evenly applied, without regard for political agendas and correctness, is a cornerstone of democracy.
I think it's sad how arrogant entitles MPs, lawmakers, can show such contempt for their electorate and the law. And worse still, their Leader's apathy to it, considering he's a former DPP. Albeit with a dubious record.
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1 hour ago, vogie said:
Not according to momentum?
Aw, you pi33ed on his parade!
Typical Yorkshireman - facts, truth and reality, thank God.
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6 minutes ago, puipuitom said:
THE question is: did Cummings something other British citizens were NOT allowed to or not ? If No =what the fuzz. If YES, face the consequences. Reminding in the UK, the Elite still have more freedom as the normal British citizen, do not be surprised...
You british voted overwhelmingly ( thanks to the"winner takes it all-system) for Boris Dominic Johnson-Cummings, so.. this is where you voted for.
The difference between the Dutch p.m. and the British leaders.
If Cummings did as he initially claimed, made one trip and then self quarantined for 14 days after arriving in Durham, due to concerns about the continued welfare of his possibly autistic child, then there is a strong argument he had reasonable cause, as per the guidelines.
However, if he made more than one trip, went out and about during the quarantine period, and deliberately lied to conceal that, then he must be fired or resign.
However, we also have 4 Labour MP. one a shadow Minister, who admit to breaking the law. No apology, no remorse, no comment from their party leader. A clearer example of entitled elites sticking their middle finger up to the electorate they supposedly serve you couldn't wish for.
What happens in the Netherlands is irrelevant. Each country handles this differently. But I don't think you'd see such blatant political bias and hypocrisy there. IME Dutch people would apply to all equally, not selectively based on a political agenda. And that is something that needs to be learned. Because the current Labour leader puts politics before justice and right,
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40 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:
More likely to be that Durham police had just announced that they had received a number of other reports concerning Cummings in recent days and were investigating them.
Interesting unraveling going on. Durham Police Force used to be, IMO, one of the better forces in the UK and had an excellent Chief Constable. There handling of this affair has been good so far. Now we have to wait and see what transpires from their further inquiries.
If a complaint is received by the police, they are required to investigate it.
Now, the 4 Labour MP's who broke the law are not under any investigation because they freely admit it. Safe in the knowledge that their leader isn't remotely interested.
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3 hours ago, Tug said:I disagree the wealth of experience the respect and familiarity with the other world leaders the ability to work across the isle the ability to listen and learn the ability to work with a TEAM of experts in their fields his team knowing their boss will have their back even if they disagree no sir I think joe and his TEAM will be a great asset in restoring our country
Your're having a laugh! Who do you think respects dodgy Joe in the world leader community?
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31 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:
Amazing that such a small country as Ireland could produce such renowned and talented people, Tyson Fury, Marc O,Polo, to name a couple !
Tyson Fury was born and bread in the North West of England, to Irish parents.
Do you think John F Kennedy was Irish too?
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I had a driver just turn up at the house recently. No email, no phone call.
Guess sometimes the systems and procedures aren't followed.
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17 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:
He was also lying about his reason for going there and having a stroll by the riverside.
Lying cannot be accepted, and he must go.
And then you agree, so must the 4 Labour MP's who broke the rules very clearly?
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14 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:
Not covered by the rules. Cummings' caveat only applies to life threatening situations. His situation was nothing near that.
No it doesn't. Read the actual rules.
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12 minutes ago, evadgib said:He was in the town rather than the medieval fortification that gave it it's name. This somewhat changes the context IMO although not enough to appease the professionally outraged.
It was specifically stated that he strictly observed the 14 days quarantine with relatives leaving provisions at the door.
If he now changes the story, his credibility has gone, he lied and he must no go.
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12 minutes ago, Logosone said:Well, that's not quite the full picture, because when the UK published its guidelines it allowed for an exception, which was "reasonable excuse".
It did not define "reasonable excuse".
Whether Cummings broke the actual guidelines depends on how "reasonable excuse" is defined.
Cummings made the case that his situation was "reasonable excuse".
Other have argued that only risk to life would have been reasonable excuse.
It's not clear, because the UK government did not publish clear guidelines.
Did Cummings have reasonable excuse? One can argue it to death. Did he break lockdown? He certainly did.
I posted the BBC's explanation of the rules covering reasonable excuses. It lists examples but stresses the list is not exhaustive.
As an example, Scotland's former chief medical officer made two trips, offered no reasonable excuses, and didn't self quarantine on either, as required. Even then her boss said at first she needn't resign but quickly changed her mind.
There are 4 Labour MP's who broke the rules:
1. MP Stephen Kinnock, a shadow Minister, drove hundreds of miles, with his wife, a former PM of Denmark, to see his elderly parents during lockdown. His local police force shamed him.
2. MP Kevan Jones, attended a constituents’ birthday party.
3.MP Tahir Ali attended a funeral in his constituency as one of 100 mourners at the start of April.
4. Labour’s Health Secretary in Wales, Vaughn Gething, had a picnic with his family in a park at a time when the Welsh Government he sits on explicitly said “No picnics in the park.”
None of the above have been pursued by the press. None have apologized or shown any remorse. Sir Keir Starmer, Labour Leader, has not comments on them, rebuked them or suggested they resign. Even though they are far more accountable to the public as elected servants for their behavior.
If Cummings deliberately lied about breaking the quarantine when he was in Durham, he should go.
But these 4 Labour politicians, who clearly think they can do as they please, must also be made to go.
The law, rules, guidelines and acceptable behavior codes must apply to all equally. And not selectively based on their political affiliations.
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1 hour ago, BillStrangeOgre said:
Personally, i'd do whatever it takes to protect my child. A neighbour of mine in the UK has a daughter, a single parent with 3 toddlers, who couldn't charge her electric vehicle the cable was broken. My neighbour had a spare and drove a round trip of 90 miles to give it to her daughter through the kitchen window.
My guess is there are millions of people in the UK in the past couple of months who had to make similar choices
A perfectly reasonable reason, covered in the rules.
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4 minutes ago, Logosone said:
Well you asked for the "real situation" before, you asked if he had been at Barnard Castle, and if he had that he should go.
Now Cummings has admitted he was at Barnard Castle, do you still feel he has to go?
Yes. Either he previously lied about that, or the PM did.
Deliberately lying is a whole different ball game.
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9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:From the UK Government’s published rules:
“Do not leave home if you or anyone in your household has symptoms.”
What’s not to understand?!
“During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.” It then lists a series of reasonable excuses:
To obtain basic necessities like food or medicine; to take exercise; to seek medical assistance; to provide care or assistance to a vulnerable person; to donate blood; to travel for the purposes of work or to provide voluntary or charitable services; to attend a funeral of a household member or close family member; to access critical public services; for access arrangements with a child who does not live with one or both parents; for a religious minister to visit their place of worship; to move house where reasonably necessary; to avoid injury or illness or to escape a risk of harm. So the list is not exhaustive - a reasonable excuse might arguably be something that is not on it. It is also important to make a distinction between the law and the guidelines drawn up by the government."
Source BBC.
BBC article explaining the real situation.
Of course, as often the real situation doesn't reflect what those with a politically motivated agenda would like it to be.
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Taweesin explains the need to extend state of emergency
in Thailand News
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Yeah right, and you could do so much better! ????
Why haven't you returned to your own country to lead them through this pandemic? ????