thenervoussurgeon

You are having a larf the old crone was the one who sold off British manufacturing to make more profit for her cronies at the expense of the british working man who she despised.

She certainly did not despise the working classes ,but she did hate the fact most did not want to work for a fair wage and spent half the time on strike ,thats why the manufacturers left ,to go where the workforce actually worked ,she may have done much wrong ,but by God she made us proud to be British again .

If you wasn't here it wouldn't of happened in the eyes of the law.

If you wasn't here it wouldn't of happened in the eyes of the law.

The only answer to this is, rubbish.

I was turning left ,signaled well in advance when two girls on a m/bike tried to undertake me ,hit me and came off ,they tried the old" it your fault" routine ,but with a good fully comp insurance you do not have a problem ,your insurance company will be on your side.

When i first came to Pattaya about 24 years ago ,most of the girls in the bars were teenagers ,not saying its right ,just saying. how times change ,now lots of them seem much older and fatter,,where i go for a drink on the darkside the owner turned a girl away a few weeks ago because she looked about 15 ,she was in fact 19 but he just said he didnt need the agro. now though as i get older a young hottie to me is about 30 years of age.

This is not going to help you one bit ,but we all know how much pistachios cost for a small bag here in Pattaya ,but my sister has to go to a market near the border once a month and she gets me a 1/2 kilo bag for 190 baht ,yet here they cost an arm and a leg ,amazing thailand

I've used QSH and also rave about it -- up to a point. The waits are exceedingly long and English is hardly spoken. There are times when I don't mind that, but I'd like an alternative.

It's very close to U-Tapao airport -- at the junction of Sukhumvit and Highway 331.

Good hospital ,the only problem ,is if living in Pattaya and having a heart attack or stroke ,its quite a long way to drive.

I don't think they can handle strokes or heart attacks. No cath lab. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Actually i am not sure ,but as we live near BPH ,its the hospital i would go/be taken to.

Funny how nearly all the bars with underage workers are"boy bars"

So are you saying I've misinterpreted your position?

Sometimes it's not about winning or losing, it's about trying to understand other people's viewpoints.

Am I correct in believing that your view is that the dollar will soon go up relative to the baht? Or not?

Am I correct that you believe the Thai economy will soon collapse into economic recession, which will cause the relative decline in the baht mentioned above?

Am I correct that you believe the US economy will become more self-sufficient, and less reliant on imports generally?

Which, presumably, will result in a strengthening of the dollar, allowing imported goods (i.e. Santa's toys) to be replaced with invisible imports (i.e. tarts in Pattaya)

SC

Lordy I want to stop but it's hard. No, you went way beyond what I said, inventing things I didn't say. I know you were just having fun with it but...

I'm just repeating myself. I believe that Asia, and China and Thailand in particular are in a bubble and when it bursts, think 1997 in Thailand.

Yes I think Asia is entering recession, led by China. China is already there in a big way. China has crashed. People on this forum talk about China being the replacement for the West in tourism and investment. I don't see that. Maybe Russia but not China.

The value of the baht? 1997.

No, I have no hope near term that the US will become self sufficient. The enviroterrorists have it shut down. They won't even admit the resources are there in coal, oil, timber, etc. I just posted another link about oil reserves. See, the Government Accounting Office which says the oil is there and asks why we don't use it is part of the Federal Government. But it's only advisory as accounting. The Federal Energy Commission and the White House deny the definition of reserves and deny the use of them. Obama refused to let Canada bring in a pipeline which would have let the US at least buy more oil from Canada instead of the ME.

(Off topic but we could really weaken the ME by telling them to take their oil and shove it, and stop sending them around $700 billion a year to use against us.)

I believe it will take a Great Depression in the US for The People to rise up and want those resources and the jobs that go with them. Wisdom has left the room atm.

No, that's not what I think about the dollar. The dollar would be printed into oblivion if it weren't for every other major player also printing, keeping some balance.

But I keep trying to explain. The capitalist countries have a divide between the government and the private sector. The private sector can thrive while the government destroys itself with deficits. The strength in the West right now is the strength of the private sector. Look at corporate profits and the stock markets as opposed to China, for instance. China can't separate the two and that's its big weakness.

So as an investor I have a lot more confidence in the West than I do Asia. The West has the technology and the drive and the training. Look at shit cars built by China as opposed to the UK or Canada or the US or Japan or N. Korea. SE Asia and China are way behind the curve.

I'll put my money on the West simply because the West has the money resources. Edit. I mean the private sector has the money. Corporations are awash in money. Westerners have money. They aren't spending it either, which is slowing down any recovery.

OK China is in a recession and the US dollar and GBP will rise again. Ya sure. Now for the expats who actually live here a tip on adjusting your budget to the new reality. Forget about go go girls; too expensive. Switch to massage girls and you can get a shower in the morning too for free. Now don't say I never gave you a money saving tip.

I can save you even more ,stay home and post on Thai visa ,cheaper still

Where's paradise?

soi 6 or so i'me reliably told

Its strange but my wifes sister who has always lived in Thailand would not bat an eyelid at this ,yet my wife who has lived many years in the west thinks its a disgrace ,just goes to show that Thai people are indoctanated to this sort of thing and see it as normal ,its only when they leave Thailand they see how the world (or westerners) at least see things.

If you were so impressed about it, why didnt you mention what the hell its all about? Also could say where it is.

Sorry ,its north Pattaya just past big c ,there are signs ,basically its a large building with some very good interactive artwork where you can take pictures of yourself ,my description really doesnt do it justice as the 3d murals are massive and of places around the world also famous paintings and animals its on you tube or just google it. hope that helps..

Just thought i would give it a mention,we went there today with my niece and nephew ,and to be honest was quite impressed ,well worth the 150 baht (with your licence) 500 baht for falangs if not resident ,which i felt was a bit high,but hey ho it was a great couple of hours ,dont forget your camera.

Sorry he is in a coma and hope he recovers ,but yet again a tourist on a motorbike racing along the street ,we have enough idiots on bikes already without importing them.

I've used QSH and also rave about it -- up to a point. The waits are exceedingly long and English is hardly spoken. There are times when I don't mind that, but I'd like an alternative.

It's very close to U-Tapao airport -- at the junction of Sukhumvit and Highway 331.

Good hospital ,the only problem ,is if living in Pattaya and having a heart attack or stroke ,its quite a long way to drive.

To be honest most of us expats dont care where the tourists come from we just wish they would ALL p--s off.

Not all of us. I like the Russian girls in the short, short, short shorts.

Oh alright ,i agree they can stay

Thailand is corrupt and never transparent. We have no idea how many

"good loans" the banks have as collateral going all the way back to

1997. They simply aren't required to write them off. Condos built in

1997 sit empty while empty new ones go up all around. This is all on the

backs of the banks in Thailand.

you are not informed "neversure". the lion share of construction is not financed

by banks but was always paid for by "black" money. it's the ideal way to launder

Baht which escaped the Thai taxman.

Thai Bank Alert - JP Morgan.

13% year over year bank loan growth.

Don't forget fractional banking. And don't forget that in some countries such as the US, banks hold only about 20% of wealth, where in developing countries it's usually more like 80% making the whole country more vulnerable if banks stumble.

Good call, there is much more to Thailands property market then the few lucky corrupt folk who buy BKK and tourist area apartments.

Seems like the banks there are desperate to copy the west and create their own property bubble .. quote - housing loan outlook is improving from the past couple of years. From 10-12% housing loan growth in the past two years, "we see a good chance

of this expanding into 15-17% next year."

No doubt remortgaging for the latest Toyota is also rife.

You hit the nail on the head there , my wife has a friend who owns her own car and small condo outright ,i know this lady likes to look good and spend her wages ,which by Thai standards are not bad ,but the other day my wife told me that this lady was in debt so much that she has to sell her condo to pay off her debts ,she wants us to buy it at a reduced price and then she will rent it from us untill she can afford to one day buy it back . And this is an inteligent woman , Thai people just seem to live for the day and have very little forward planning ,i see this time after time after time here.

We have lights all around at night as do our neighbours ,we also have alarms on all doors and windows , all our neighbours have two dogs that bark at the slightest bloody thing , so come on make my wifes day cause she has a gun ,so does our neighbour who chased the last guy down the street shooting at him (i kid you not) he is now in prison ,that is the guy he was chasing ,the lights by the way cost very little.

In the case your describing, all the foreigners that are thinking of spending their Holiday in Thailand can't afford to come anymore. And I don't think that Thailand will let that happen as Thailand needs Tourists.

It's already happened and Thailand still has tourists.

There's a noticeable increase in tourism from non-Western countries. Loads of Indians, Chinese, Russians rockin' up at Swampy.

I guess the days when Westerners could regard Thailand as their own private Disneyland are coming to an abrupt and ignominious end with Tom, Dick and Harry's barstools being taken over by Raj, Xeng and Dmitri.

Except that Raj and Xeng don't even drink, so the barstools are only occupied by Dmitri, plus a specially reinforced barstool for Dmitri's 200 kg wife.

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Tom, Dick and Harry's dime has been spent supping happy-hour cider with a mini-skirted walrus whispering "hansum man" platitudes to their wallets perched on their laps

Raj'll be ploughing dosh into a factory producing goods he'll export.

Dmitri's buying up condos and bars in Pattaya.

Xeng's over-paying for cheap tat and spending 50,000 baht shopping for status-enhancing brands at Siam Paragon.

Who's making more of a contribution to Thailand's economy, I wonder?

Love it

but Raj'ii will be sitting in a bar with two mates sharing a chang ,then a woman

Dimitri's on a package tour with the wife and kids all found ,and in Tesco buying cheap clothes

and Xeng's in a tour group walking down walking street following the tour guide holding up a rolled umbrela.

i think thats closer to the truth.

Yes i have never understood the Thai mindset ,there was a computer place near us where all the kids went to play games ,it was always busy ,in the last year three more have opened now none are busy ,same with a shop doing printing , within 6 months another opened within 50 yards . crazy ,it seems the same with condoes ,and to be honest i have friends in agencys here ,its not rich Bangkokians buying to escape flooding ,its a myth.

Thailaw

You are right ,i myself was not thinking of a rapid rise in prices then a drop ,more the oversupply of property ,far more condoes and houses being built than people to buy them , many of the condoes going up at the moment really are just boxes, i a see so many that come straight back on the market at inflated prices ,who will buy them?

Thailand is corrupt and never transparent. We have no idea how many

"good loans" the banks have as collateral going all the way back to

1997. They simply aren't required to write them off. Condos built in

1997 sit empty while empty new ones go up all around. This is all on the

backs of the banks in Thailand.

you are not informed "neversure". the lion share of construction is not financed

by banks but was always paid for by "black" money. it's the ideal way to launder

Baht which escaped the Thai taxman.

Taken From the Naam book of facts

information from a couple of Thai-Chinese developers whom i know personally since many years. none of them is nervous, they keep on building, selling ~60% and renting out ~40%; both obviously without any problems.

Sorry i Apologise

Taken from the Naam book of two developer friends he knows.