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23 minutes ago, kkerry said:
Except every report says there were two off duty pilots...
Very often in a collective bargaining agreement there is language which says "the most senior off duty pilot/FA will be offered the opportunity to work, if they decline the next in line will be offered the work. This will continue to happen until the work is accepted or the most junior off duty person is called and they must accept the work".
This may be the answer. When I was a senior FA I used to bid to be "on reserve" which means on call, for events like this or others. I refused everything I was offered, always. I even called crew scheduling and told them not to bother calling me unless I was the most junior person on the list, save them time. They appreciated it.
I would go months at times without ever seeing the inside of an airplane, going for a couple or 3 weeks was normal.
Of course, this didn't affect my pay. I was on call, after all, which means on duty. I just wasn't flying.
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16 minutes ago, scorecard said:
Thanks for the background lesson.
You wrote "Everything this airline did sounds to me like it was exactly as it should have been done...'
But earlier in your post you mentioned that it's SOP that deadhead pilots fly in business class.
But in this incident they refused t take available business seats.
Seems to be conflicting.
I don't know why but my first guess would be something in the pilots' collective agreement with the airline. What that is, is anyone's guess. The pilot in question would have had something backing up his decision to refuse a business class seat I am certain.
It could be something as simple as "the DH'ing pilot can sit in the highest level class the aircraft has to offer" and the aircraft may have had, economy, business, business first, first, executive class seats..and they didn't want to disturb one of the more expensive seat sitters and asked him to take a business class seat. But, who knows. There is a reason though, to be sure.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the left out part would have discussed Freddie and young boys.
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Let me fill some of you in on what this story is about and why it happened from the perspective of a person who worked as a cabin crew member (flight attendant or FA) for 10 years for an international long haul carrier.
1) A deadhead crew member is on duty. It is quite possible they will be expected to work shortly, or at times, almost immediately after arrival.
2) Very often, I think especially in this case as it was only a single pilot, the original pilot expected to fly had an issue: illness, accident, injury... thus the DH pilot was probably called at the last possible moment. He or she may have just returned from a workout at the gym, a 4 hour hike...whatever, and could be tired already. He or she may have been on reserve and at the very end of the potential calling period.
3) Because DH crew members are on duty, they are considered to be working that is why it is SOP (standard operating procedure) for them to be in uniform.
4) It is SOP in collective bargaining agreements that if you are DH'ing you sit in business class. The reasoning for this was mentioned above. The DH'ing crew member may be scheduled to work/fly as soon as they arrive therefore it is imperative they are as comfortable as possible and able to sleep/rest during the DH period.
5) It's also important to note that a DH'ing crew member can be called into service on the flight they are DH'ing on if they are qualified on that aircraft. FA's are qualified on every aircraft type an airline flies, pilots usually 1 aircraft type - the one they fly, although they may have been and may still be qualified to fly other aircraft types if they have recently moved to a different aircraft due to promotion
6) Because a DH'ing crew member is on duty and will start a workday upon arrival, it is clear and obvious why they take precedence over a passenger. This is because the pilot (for example) may be a long haul heavy wide body pilot and it is more cost effective to the airline to accommodate 1 passenger who is disrupted than potentially cancel a flight and have to accommodate 300 or more passengers on the other end.
7) DH'ing is absolutely normal. I've done it countless times. DH'ing counts as duty hours not flying hours.
example: Cereal at home in Vancouver. Crew scheduling calls. Cereal, we need you to DH to Tokyo, you'll have a 3 hour wait in Narita then you'll pick up flight 111 and return to YVR okay. You're on duty in 90 minutes, your flight leaves in 2 hours.
???? Everything this airline did sounds to me like it was exactly as it should have been done.
It ain't all that glamorous a gig when you've done it. That's why I don't do it anymore!
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Personally I'd ignore it on the hope that because the driver is having a bit of fun and trying to be surreptitious he's probably concentrating on the road ahead a little more!
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4 hours ago, lamyai3 said:
Sorry about what you suffered, but that's an appalling allegation to make.
Yes, I agree. And you absolutely must believe me when I say I wish I didn't feel that way. But I do.
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I spent 10 years in the airline business and grew up an air force brat. I've been through more airports than I care to remember and BKK is the worst airport I have ever been through. I can't see how adding anything could make it worse!
A short while ago my wife and I went to Bangkok on vacation and flew in and out of DMK. It's a dream compared to BKK. It reminded me very much of ICN airport which ranked as #2 in this article. Efficiency personified.
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11 hours ago, oilinki said:
In practical level.
I think it's fair to say that forget hibernation. It was a thing from past when computers used to start slowly (15 minutes) and suspend technology didn't always work.
Today people either shutdown and restart their computers each day, or they simply suspend it.
I normally reboot my laptop every 3-4 weeks or so. This is due some software being upgraded or some software behaving badly. I simply put my laptop to sleep (close the lid), during nights, when my laptop is not doing anything else, like downloading Linux torrents.
My laptop's current uptime, or the time it has been up and running without reboots or shutdowns, is 17 days. The system has been behaving well, so I don't even think of shutting down the system at the moment. I just put it to sleep, whenever it's not doing anything productive for me.
air:2018-02-18 oilinki$ uptime
21:34 up 17 days, 1:06, 6 users, load averages: 1.96 2.20 1.94
Summa summarum. If you have a laptop, which works well, forget hibernate as a thing from the past. Use suspend to continue what you were doing before you suspended or 'freezed' your computer.
If you want to start over each time, simply shutdown your computer and start it, the next time you use it.
For most of us, who use our computers everyday, suspend is the best way to go.
Thanks for this. I do the same thing but I never knew the reasons. I just close the lid on my DELL laptop which I gather puts it to sleep. I open it up the next day and it boots up quickly. Every once in a while I get a notice for updates or something which I will do and then the computer needs to restart. Also, whenever it gets a little wonky I restart it and it works as normal again. I bought my laptop in early 2012 and it came with a core i7 processor and still runs like a charm.
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What Thailand should do is jettison the great Chinese tourism ideal and get the Japanese to come in droves. They are super clean, super polite and friendly. Remember the Japanese staying after a World Cup losing game to clean the stadium? That is the norm. I've personally experienced their cleanliness in my previous workplace every single time I had to deal with them.
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The person getting tossed around in the green shirt looked female. It was clearly a guy doing the tossing, the tosser!
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Do you know how many flags have the colours red/white/blue on them as the only colours of the flag? I looked but didn't count, but it's gotta be a significant percentage by just looking at the flag. Then there are the flags that have those 3 colours plus a symbol.
How can people get so riled up over something this insignificant? Man, Larry Flynt once wore an American flag as a diaper to a court hearing.
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6 minutes ago, jgarbo said:
So 2/3 know what they're doing, right?
No, don't know how you could extrapolate that from my statement. Included within that 2/3 would be all of the other assorted terrible drivers one expects to see everyday.
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Which came first: the removal technique for disasters you darn well knew were gonna happen, or the tattooing of eyebrows?
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I've said this before after quoting an article, and I'll say it again. When 1/3 of Thais believe there is nothing they can do to prevent an accident while driving because it's fate or karma, what do you expect other than carnage on the roads?
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According to the Information Centre for Emerging Infectious Diseases at Chulalongkorn University, 40 per cent of stray dogs also carry the rabies virus.
This is the thing that got me. Man, if this is true it is a terrifying statistic. 40% of stray dogs have rabies? That is scary sh!t man.
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Didn't the Thai police say they'd ask for her extradition to Thailand to try her for slander or libel or whatever if their investigation proved she wasn't raped?
I wonder which flight she'll be on back to the LOS?
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On 10/9/2018 at 2:56 AM, balo said:
Of course its the wrong numbers given , as always in the Thai news.
I would think maybe 10000 members.
I would not dare to think we have 100 million pedos walking around.
7.5 billion people on earth. Half are male so let's call it 3.75 billion male's. About 5% identify as gay from my quick Google search. Research also shows many pedos are straight.
100 million seems too high and likely a typo, but it's possible. There's also the likelihood that many are just lookers and fantasizers.
It is my highly controversial and totally unsupported personal opinion that every gay man is a closet pedo and would act of they were 100% certain they would get away with it.
Sorry for that, but I was molested twice as a kid. Once by my dad's best friend and once by my best friend's older brother.
The torture and torment never goes away. 5 decades of never forgetting.
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I taught in Korea from 2011-16 and during that time there was a front page store in the national English newspaper that Korean men were the #1 sex tourists for underage kids in the world.
It's sick. A slow agonizing very painful death to all pedos. Zero sympathy.
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Sad. I'd love to be rich but I'd hate to be famous. Paul Allen was like that. I bet he coulda walked around most any store outside of Seattle in jeans and a t-shirt and no one would have known him. To me, he had a perfect life. Parties, boats, bands, billions, and no wife.
Can it get better than that?
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Shocking that this is news at all in 2018.
I recall about 10 years ago or so reading an article in the local newspaper that registered nurses -RN's - were going to be taught how to give injections by practicing on oranges.
That's like telling a medical school graduate it's time for stethoscope class.
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13 hours ago, balo said:
Not really that strange , it all happened within 30 seconds.
Someone called for an ambulance but in this case it would have been too late anyway , when a big truck and the wheels drives over a body you just can't survive. Trying to move the victim in that short video clip would not make much sense.
Maybe someone tried CPR after the video clip.
Think about it , what would you do if you were sitting in that car and witnessed it ? You would get out of the car and reach for the phone and trying to inform/call for help. Maybe you would also look for damage for 1 second and then try to assist. There is not much you could do in this case.
We'll, personally I would follow my training. I have been very highly trained in emergency procedures.
Number 1 call for help. Describe the situation where it is and what happened. Say you're trained in emergency procedures and start the assessment and follow directions if any from the emergency services call centre.
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Every Thai I see seem to hold their phone in their hand all the time, and yet it doesn't look like anyone tried to call emergency until perhaps the guy and the very end of the clip. You'd think it would be priority number one.
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16 hours ago, CanuckThai said:
Where did you find this movie? I searched Netflix, couldn't find it... (sounds like a good movie)
It was a very good movie. I watch all my movies and TV shows on a streaming site called Popcorn Time for free. It's got everything.
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Thai Airways investigate "deadhead pilot" delay drama
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Dude, you don't understand the airline business. Everybody is tired all the time. Do you have any idea what it's like to live your live never quite in your own time zone? Being tired is part of the job.
Also, every airline I know of, but certainly not all, oversell their aircraft. Sometimes by as much as 10-20%. This is to cover no-shows and waiting list passengers. Airlines would rather fill an airplane and kick someone off every time. It's more cost effective in the long run.