Cereal

Isn't it shocking that people in this position have to order people in those positions to do their jobs safely? Good God, what an absolute joke.

That is a seriously nice boat.

This is new. Usually they just flee. This dude fled in a friend's set of wheels. Cool.

At least the plane landed safely. That's good news. Looks like I'll choose to not follow this beacon of light!

I'd expect a 10% loss. I'd also expect to have a better plan for contingencies in the future.

What a fool. Lock him up until he gives up the details of every person on that disgusting food chain above him. Then, keep him locked up but feed him a bit better.

I still maintain my questioning as to whether this person is female or not. Perhaps one of those new pronouns Jordan Peterson refuses to use would suffice.

I've been teaching over 13 years: Korea, Laos and China. These sound like Korean kids to me and I have experienced this behaviour. 

I would plan fun games to play in class and count the bad kids out. They can't play. I'd completely ignore them and so would the rest of the class. These people are lost when they are ostracized from the group. They soon get the point and behave accordingly and my experience has been there's always one who starts and becomes the defacto policeman of the group keeping them in line. 

When the rest of the class are laughing and having fun and the baddies are being ignored they tend to straighten up. 

Not saying this is for you, but I've tried it and it worked for me.

I watch most of Ramsey's shows but this was by far the best of them.

Kinda thinking about the shoe being on the other foot thoughts here.

"...the world's deepest depths."

As opposed to the world's shallowest depths? The world's almost deepest depths?

Seriously, who writes this cr@p?

Looks like any old regular pile of junk left behind by low life losers. But, what's up with the used tire? That one is a mystery to me.

23 minutes ago, MikeN said:

Cost effective ? After you spent months on full pay by deliberately gaming the system :

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I would go months at times without ever seeing the inside of an airplane, going for a couple or 3 weeks was normal.

 

Of course, this didn't affect my pay. I was on call, after all, which means on duty. I just wasn't flying  “

No dude, now we understand why airfares are so expensive, paying for free loading bludgers to do nothing.

 And people operating public transport, be it busses or planes, should not be working while they are tired.

Dude, who doesn't take advantage of a system? You're dumb not to. And airfares are expensive for many reasons, employee salaries and fuel being numbers 1 and 2. However, most airlines have 10% of their flight crews on call every day. That's SOP to cover stuff just like this. People on call are not freeloaders, man. Can't you understand that? They're on call. It's not like they can go out boozing with the boys. They gotta be ready to go to work. When I was on call we had a 2 hour window to show up and punch in from the time we received a call when we had to go.

The bottom line here is this: If you haven't done the job you don't understand the job. That is it. That is all.

Not sure what a bludger is. I think it's the thing quidditch players hit in Harry Potter novels.

2 minutes ago, scorecard said:

And what does 'just come from the gym' mean?

 

Does that mean there's some additional special planning  dispensation or whatever because 'just come from the gym?

 

 

It means exactly what it means. Your response is absurd and argumentative and a strawman argument.

1 minute ago, MikeN said:

1 Nobody can be completely rested after a long distance flight even in first class so I would not be comfortable with that pilot taking off at the controls of another flight immediately after arrival. Get some sleep in a proper bed first !

2. It was not just one pilot.

3. In your hypothetical case, the airline knew at least 15 hours in advance of your takeoff from Japan ( called you 2 hours before your flight to japan, + 10 ? hour flight time +3 hours at Narita) so presumably they knew to save you a seat outbound and would not have filled the plane ? Why did Thai Air not do the same ?

Dude, you don't understand the airline business. Everybody is tired all the time. Do you have any idea what it's like to live your live never quite in your own time zone? Being tired is part of the job.

Also, every airline I know of, but certainly not all, oversell their aircraft. Sometimes by as much as 10-20%. This is to cover no-shows and waiting list passengers. Airlines would rather fill an airplane and kick someone off every time. It's more cost effective in the long run.

23 minutes ago, kkerry said:

Except every report says there were two off duty pilots... 

Very often in a collective bargaining agreement there is language which says "the most senior off duty pilot/FA will be offered the opportunity to work, if they decline the next in line will be offered the work. This will continue to happen until the work is accepted or the most junior off duty person is called and they must accept the work".

This may be the answer. When I was a senior FA I used to bid to be "on reserve" which means on call, for events like this or others. I refused everything I was offered, always. I even called crew scheduling and told them not to bother calling me unless I was the most junior person on the list, save them time. They appreciated it. 

I would go months at times without ever seeing the inside of an airplane, going for a couple or 3 weeks was normal.

Of course, this didn't affect my pay. I was on call, after all, which means on duty. I just wasn't flying.

16 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

Thanks for the background lesson.

 

You wrote "Everything this airline did sounds to me like it was exactly as it should have been done...'

 

But earlier in your post you mentioned that it's SOP that deadhead pilots fly in business class.

 

But in this incident they refused t take available business seats.

 

Seems to be conflicting.

I don't know why but my first guess would be something in the pilots' collective agreement with the airline. What that is, is anyone's guess. The pilot in question would have had something backing up his decision to refuse a business class seat I am certain.

It could be something as simple as "the DH'ing pilot can sit in the highest level class the aircraft has to offer" and the aircraft may have had, economy, business, business first, first, executive class seats..and they didn't want to disturb one of the more expensive seat sitters and asked him to take a business class seat. But, who knows. There is a reason though, to be sure.

16 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

 

 

It wouldn't surprise me if the left out part would have discussed Freddie and young boys.

Personally I'd ignore it on the hope that because the driver is having a bit of fun and trying to be surreptitious he's probably concentrating on the road ahead a little more!

4 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

Sorry about what you suffered, but that's an appalling allegation to make. 

Yes, I agree. And you absolutely must believe me when I say I wish I didn't feel that way. But I do.

I spent 10 years in the airline business and grew up an air force brat. I've been through more airports than I care to remember and BKK is the worst airport I have ever been through. I can't see how adding anything could make it worse!

A short while ago my wife and I went to Bangkok on vacation and flew in and out of DMK. It's a dream compared to BKK. It reminded me very much of ICN airport which ranked as #2 in this article. Efficiency personified.

11 hours ago, oilinki said:

In practical level.

 

I think it's fair to say that forget hibernation. It was a thing from past when computers used to start slowly (15 minutes) and suspend technology didn't always work. 

 

Today people either shutdown and restart their computers each day, or they simply suspend it. 

 

I normally reboot my laptop every 3-4 weeks or so. This is due some software being upgraded or some software behaving badly. I simply put my laptop to sleep (close the lid), during nights, when my laptop is not doing anything else, like downloading Linux torrents. 

 

My laptop's current uptime, or the time it has been up and running without reboots or shutdowns, is 17 days. The system has been behaving well, so I don't even think of shutting down the system at the moment. I just put it to sleep, whenever it's not doing anything productive for me. 

 

air:2018-02-18 oilinki$ uptime

21:34  up 17 days,  1:06, 6 users, load averages: 1.96 2.20 1.94

 

Summa summarum. If you have a laptop, which works well, forget hibernate as a thing from the past. Use suspend to continue what you were doing before you suspended or 'freezed' your computer. 

 

If you want to start over each time, simply shutdown your computer and start it, the next time you use it. 

 

For most of us, who use our computers everyday, suspend is the best way to go.

 

Thanks for this. I do the same thing but I never knew the reasons. I just close the lid on my DELL laptop which I gather puts it to sleep. I open it up the next day and it boots up quickly. Every once in a while I get a notice for updates or something which I will do and then the computer needs to restart. Also, whenever it gets a little wonky I restart it and it works as normal again. I bought my laptop in early 2012 and it came with a core i7 processor and still runs like a charm.

What Thailand should do is jettison the great Chinese tourism ideal and get the Japanese to come in droves. They are super clean, super polite and friendly. Remember the Japanese staying after a World Cup losing game to clean the stadium? That is the norm. I've personally experienced their cleanliness in my previous workplace every single time I had to deal with them.