JoeLing

Half the international and national media reported the incident in Pattaya,
So whilst people from Europe, America to South Africa, from Australia to
Japan read those news from Reuters, ABC, BBC to Alejazeera, the Nation,
Bangkok Post or what ever other news outlets, according to the Phuket Gazette,
Deputy Commander Peerayuth Karajedee . . . .

“was unaware of the arrests in Pattaya”

On the ball reporting, happened on 14th ?

Very sad indeed though, RIP

Likely not reported before because it is being kept out of the Thai media for the fear of negative impact on tourism.

Notice this is from a source in Switzerland, not in Thailand.

Absolutely tragic story. RIP

I trust the people or organisation responsible will never be brought to justice over this gross negligence

Sorry to say but actually, the source seams to be in Thailand.

On the bottom of the 20min article they say, the source is farang.com

a German forum for ex-pats in Thailand.

The article in farang.com is dated 25 February, no time given.

In the Swiss online paper, the article was first published on 25 February 00:56 h Thailand time and updated at 04:41 h

Who was first? Did the Swiss website have the link to farang.com already with the first publication shortly after midnight or did the Thai source become available later and the Swiss site made the update based on it? Is farang.com known for quoting the sources from which they take the information for their articles?

On the first on-line articles of the 24th February at 18:56, 24min.com and TeleBasel referred to farang.com as source.

Even the printed versions of Blick or Basler Zeitung refer to farang.com as source.

From my understanding, the source IS in Thailand even if you don't find a date and time on farang.com.

So not quite sure what you want to imply Maestro?

On the ball reporting, happened on 14th ?

Very sad indeed though, RIP

Likely not reported before because it is being kept out of the Thai media for the fear of negative impact on tourism.

Notice this is from a source in Switzerland, not in Thailand.

Absolutely tragic story. RIP

I trust the people or organisation responsible will never be brought to justice over this gross negligence

Sorry to say but actually, the source seams to be in Thailand.

On the bottom of the 20min article they say, the source is farang.com

a German forum for ex-pats in Thailand.

In other words,

95% of "criminals" in Pattaya are foreign nationals
whilst 5% are just unfortunate Thai people caught
up in this massive clean-up operation.

Stop foreigners from entering Thailand, then no police
would be necessary any more and this country would

be virtually crime free.

And on the 15th February, they all flew again despite of being "underqualified:?

... Thai people to learn from past lessons ...

And I thought it would be 98.9%

.... Besides they have not had any movement to run away, he said. ...

Frozen stiff?

... She said she believed if her group is arrested more students of the group will have a movement ...

They gonna move it, move it!

I wonder, is it bad translation, bad editing or is it just me?

Shouldn't it be motivation?

Death Island strikes again

Can someone put together a comprehensive timeline of all of the foreigner's deaths just on Koh Tao? You would think that for a small island the death of a visitor would be a very rare occasion, but here's another one.

http://www.farang-deaths.com/

One problem with the chart - it's based upon official data. Nowhere near the truth.

Sure more accurate than any polls about corruption, happiness,

tourism or economy we are getting from the different government

agencies.

I'm aware it's not as complete as it could be but at least,

it shows some kind of indication, some kind of trend.

Those fatalities have been researched and are not just based

on wild speculations and conspiracy theories like most of the

obscure postings of TV members.

Unlike the Thai Government or our Embassies, at least there is

someone who tries to shed some light, not very bright but at least

it's a candle in the dark.

Death Island strikes again

Can someone put together a comprehensive timeline of all of the foreigner's deaths just on Koh Tao? You would think that for a small island the death of a visitor would be a very rare occasion, but here's another one.

http://www.farang-deaths.com/

Death Island strikes again

Can someone put together a comprehensive timeline of all of the foreigner's deaths just on Koh Tao? You would think that for a small island the death of a visitor would be a very rare occasion, but here's another one.

http://www.farang-deaths.com/

Well thank you for all the emails supporting all those tourist that created that mess, it sad to see the lack of respect for the thai people and their country,

all the concern was what I said and not the mess, well this is the internet and say what you like and know you can't be held accountable.

WELL DONE HOPE YOU ENJOY THAILAND

DO NOT REPLY I BIN ALL THE STUPID ANSWERS

I look very much forwards to the day Thai people start respecting Thai people.

Not just beating, stabbing or shooting each other because of honking their car

horns or having a different opinion.

I look very much forwards to the day Thai people start respecting their country.

Not just throwing their rubbish out of the train, car or house window. Not just

dispose of their old fishing nets, oil or faeces at sea. Not just slash and burn

agriculture, without any concern of people's health.

I would even go further and say, if western people wouldn't have been in Thailand

and moaned about the way trash is handled, Thailand would look even more of

a dump then it is now.

Travel just a bit around Thailand and you will quickly see, places with tourists are

often cleaner, not spotless but cleaner than many places where there are no tourists

at all.

BUT - there is hope as I see many, many young Thai people taking environmental

issues serious, more serious than their parents or grandparents ever did. I see

school children cleaning trash on the beaches, streets and parks (no, not necessarily

tourist places but all over the country). I saw small children educating their parents

and grandparents about the impact of throwing just about anything out of the window.

So, there is hope, maybe not in my lifetime but in my children's future.

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WELL PLAYED SIR !!

THOSE ARE PICTURES OF THE FLOOD !

What's your point SIR ??

THOSE ARE PICTURES OF BAD WASTE MANAGEMENT !

(Taken during one of the many floods, somewhere in Thailand)

Sure you didn't think those pictures where taken during a drought?

Or do you see a difference between on land or in water?

So just for you,

THIS IS NOT A PICTURE OF A FREEZING FARMER !

(Taken during one of the many drought times, somewhere in Thailand)

Happy now

BTW, accoring to the legend, 1985 is the year the Full Moon Party at Koh Phangan began...

I reckon that's more of a Myth than a legend.

I lived on Koh Phangan and worked in Samui from 1978 until 1987.

In 1985 Koh Phangans population was just around three/four hundred people.

(You can go and check in the Civic Office). There was no pier, no roads (apart

from a couple of miles down towards Bantai), no cars (just one Jeep) ,

no electricity (apart from a few hours a day in Tongsala), no hospital, no police

station and for sure, no organised Full Moon Parties.

The only way to get down to Hadrin, which was just part of the jungle, was either

along the beach at low tide or a few hours hiking over the mountain. Much easier

was to get there from Samui by longtail boat.

What people believe to be the first organised "Full Moon Party" in 1985, was actually

just an improvised, one off gathering of a few "Hippies" at a deserted beach that was

easily accessible by long tail boat from Koh Samui, without police but a lot of drugs

present. - I was there!!!

That's exactly the well known legend, you are telling - no one mentioned "organized" - and the story also says that it was someone's birthday that full moon night, but nobody remember the name...

As you were there, perhaps you will shed more light to the tale..?

Even before 1985, people went to Hadrin from Samui to see the moon rise out of the water,

play guitar, getting drunk and stoned, sleeping on the beach and being bitten by sandflies

Although I been many times down in Hadrin back then, sometimes from Samui by boat,

sometimes walking from Tongsala down along the beach, I do remember Christmas 1977,

I went to Samui to celebrate my 21st birthday as here on Koh Phangan there was nothing.

No bars, no discos. The only place close to a "nightclub" was the Lamai Inn in Samui.

After spending most of the day in Samui eating Mushroom omelettes, mushroom noodles,

mushroom burgers and mushroom shakes, we decided to go over to Hadrin for the night

to have fun without the dreaded police around.

I remember this Thai girl, her nick name was "Frog" who came with us. Her parents owned

the restaurant and souvenir shop just by the pier in Nathon and organised the long tail boat

for us to go over to Hadrin to watch the full moon rise out of the water and celebrate X-mas

(and my birthday) with sex, drugs, music, sand flies and gonorrhoea

I reckon there must be quite a few guys remembering "The Frog", she was just so desperate

to marry a foreigner, any foreigner and has been quite a few times to Hadrin, so she might

be the right person to ask, when did the first organised and regular party started in Hadrin.

BTW - we did clear up the mess and took the bottles back again, just in case some people

assume, all parties have to end up with a pile of rubbish left over.

Who in the right mind would even consider reading the Mirror?

The headlines look like they would be written by a Thai or Filipino.

The article reads like it has been written by a primary school kid.

The picture is stolen.

The whole story is just crap and badly researched.hu

BTW - in 1985 there was no Full Moon Parties on Koh Phangan,

in fact, there was no parties at all at that time.

Seems you read this crappy news sheet along with millions of your fellow Brits , so why not ask them why they are retarded.

BTW, accoring to the legend, 1985 is the year the Full Moon Party at Koh Phangan began...

As predictable as X-mas . . .
and as predictable as Easter, clarification time will come soon ....

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/710165-questions-over-crackdown-on-phuket-dive-industry-as-foreigners-arrested-over-permits

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/716629-foreigners-in-phuket-dive-shop-blitz-clarifies-instructors-work-descriptions/

Sure must generate quite a bit of an income, this diving industry

Who in the right mind would even consider reading the Mirror?

The headlines look like they would be written by a Thai or Filipino.

The article reads like it has been written by a primary school kid.

The picture is stolen.

The whole story is just crap and badly researched.hu

BTW - in 1985 there was no Full Moon Parties on Koh Phangan,

in fact, there was no parties at all at that time.

Seems you read this crappy news sheet along with millions of your fellow Brits , so why not ask them why they are retarded.

Seams you read it too and had to comment on it.

Now what on earth gives you the idea, that I'm British?

2015/2016 - 253 deaths and 2,412 injured in 2,338 accidents,
2014/2015 - 227 deaths and 2,163 injuried in 2,104 accidents.

So in the same time period as last year, there was:
26 more deaths, 249 more injuries and 234 more accidents.

So in fact it's an overall substantial drop of - hmmmm,
about minus 10%ish ?

Unless it's the Lottery Numbers, Thais are pretty bad with those hieroglyphs.

Well thank you for all the emails supporting all those tourist that created that mess, it sad to see the lack of respect for the thai people and their country,

all the concern was what I said and not the mess, well this is the internet and say what you like and know you can't be held accountable.

WELL DONE HOPE YOU ENJOY THAILAND

DO NOT REPLY I BIN ALL THE STUPID ANSWERS

I look very much forwards to the day Thai people start respecting Thai people.

Not just beating, stabbing or shooting each other because of honking their car

horns or having a different opinion.

I look very much forwards to the day Thai people start respecting their country.

Not just throwing their rubbish out of the train, car or house window. Not just

dispose of their old fishing nets, oil or faeces at sea. Not just slash and burn

agriculture, without any concern of people's health.

I would even go further and say, if western people wouldn't have been in Thailand

and moaned about the way trash is handled, Thailand would look even more of

a dump then it is now.

Travel just a bit around Thailand and you will quickly see, places with tourists are

often cleaner, not spotless but cleaner than many places where there are no tourists

at all.

BUT - there is hope as I see many, many young Thai people taking environmental

issues serious, more serious than their parents or grandparents ever did. I see

school children cleaning trash on the beaches, streets and parks (no, not necessarily

tourist places but all over the country). I saw small children educating their parents

and grandparents about the impact of throwing just about anything out of the window.

So, there is hope, maybe not in my lifetime but in my children's future.

Suppose even after 20 years, Swiss men still
prefer the more traditional stripper clubs

I live close to Hat Maerampung beach in Rayong and it's full of rubbish all year round from the fishing fleets dumping plastic rice ballast bags, sodium arc lamps, fluorescent tubes etc. We then have the weekend and holiday Bangkok crowd who plaster the beach in rubbish and the hordes of families in pick ups throwing rubbish out as they drive up & down the beach road.

It's not just a Thai problem, I have seen it in Turkey in national parks where the ground is covered plus the town where I grew up in, in the UK where drunken youngsters will throw their food wrappers away as they're unable to walk 1m to a rubbish bin and that's without the pavements caked in chewing gum.

You forgot the dogshit next to the chewing gum

Irresponsible people with no sense or understanding of culture, heritage and nature are the culprits!!! Greed, shameless western values (such as twerking), and just wanting to have stupid senseless fun are the main culprits of this type of thing!

It is a disgrace and shameful that these people see and the people that defend them see it as having no done any wrong and just having fun!!!

I hope Myanmar or Burma which is just recently opening up do not accept these type foreigners, do not have these type of gatherings and also the ordinary local Burmese understand what nature means to the local ordinary citizens. All "FUN" always needs to done responsibly but the major blame is on the locals who through greed stage these type of parties... I hope Burma sees this and weed out all these idiots and educate the locals on the destruction it brings in the long run...

I suppose you haven't been to Myanmar yet?

This is a totally clueless article. Do your homework first buddy. Been on Phangan 16 years so obviously have learned by now to steer clear of the full moon party. But for those that want the truth here are the facts that will come to fruition after that photo was taken.

Once the Thai's and Burmese wade (and snorkel) through the shallow water and comb the beach multiple times looking for money and valuables the beach gets properly cleaned. Every person that enters the full moon party pays 100 baht entrance. The entrance fee gets you a fairly cool bracelet for a souvenir and the money goes to some sort of Haad Rin association. This group is in charge of cleaning up the beach and promoting the party and events on Haad Rin. For instance the new years bikini contest (of which I was a judge multiple years:)), monthly volleyball and football tournaments with prizes around the full moon party.

The clean up includes a quite expensive looking German made beach cleaner that looks like a Mini Zamboni (the machine that ices hockey rinks). There is no question that after they bought the machine the beach is way cleaner after parties. As for the water there must be a lot of floating waste but most of it is kept in the natural bay by the wave action and it gets cleaned after high tide. I dove and participated in the first underwater scuba clean up of Haad Rin and we were all quite shocked as to how little we got out of the water. Most of the garbage was under mellow mountain bar where everyone is on mushroom shakes.

Myself I hate plastic, avoid using it as much as possible and would not defend the full moon party or Haad Rin for that matter. But, what I am saying is that I am always amazed at how clean they get that beach within days of the full moon party.

Spot on .

You should put your reply directly under the Mirror's ridiculous Article on their website.

If anyone is to blame, I would put the blame at the council.

Although they do charge for Beach Clean Up, it's mostly done

by volunteers.

Travel through Thailand and you come across many very beautiful

maintained villages in the poorest parts of the country and here

on Koh Phangan, despite the huge amount of money coming in to the

economy on the island, the whole place looks a mess. Shitty roads,

playground build and dilapidated within a couple of years, any empty

plot filled with building trash and plastic. Although there is daily

rubbish collection, follow the rubbish truck and you will be covered

in trash.

It seams to me, Thai businesses here on the island have not realised

yet, if you want to make money, you have to put money back in to

keep the place attractive and not just line their own pockets