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On the surface, a reasonable assessment. Unfortunately, the explanation only skims the surface.
The unspoken circumstances that put the case in perspective are ignored. The PM and the PTP took office in difficult times. The Democrat party and its allies were intent on doing all that they could to sabotage and bring down the government. They made it very clear they would "get" her. The government had the view that there was a real threat of being violently overthrown by the military. Considering Thailand's history, it wasn't unreasonable.
It is understandable that a man who held a key position in the government and who was responsible for components of internal security had to be someone who could be counted on. In Thailand, only family can be trusted and even then, only up to a certain point. In the jaundiced world of Thai political life, there had to be a change, particularly of a person who was not a supporter of the government. Where the government erred, was in the appointment of someone who was "family". They should have appointed someone in the interim, a non descript person who was loyal. Perhaps, the view was that there was an immediate need to have a loyalist in the position. It was a miscalculation, For a government that has meticulously planned its return to power, its strategists erred and created the basis upon which the PM could be removed. Whatever the reasons, or the motives, it was poor political judgement to appoint a "family" member to the position. Had it been someone else, the case would have floundered.
That the government assumed its role in difficult times is a matter of record. That it therefore should have kept its collective nose clean should have been a given.
As with any other HR issue, changing peoples' jobs or firing them has rules that need to be followed - they weren't
"In Thailand, only family can be trusted and even then, only up to a certain point" - what a terrible statement and one that roughly defines why Thailand is in this position.
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One thing I haven't seen yet is if there were any "penalties" for those removed from office . . . do Yingluck and the other 9 get banned, jailed, fined or have any other penalty imposed? . . . or can they run again in the next election?
I would like to know the answer to this question also,seems strange that she gets booted from the CTPM position but retains her Defence minister position.Surapong and Charlem still head up CAPO,maybe the CC still has to issue the penalties I really don't know.
My understanding is that Snow White and the nine dwarves have nothing further to do with the Thai government.
The caretaker government now consists of those who were members yesterday morning minus the 10 above. This cannot be added to until a general election has been held.
A new acting caretaker prime minister (a great title for one's CV) has now been selected from that august body of people
The new acting caretaker prime minister may find himself ousted today when the NACC reads the verdict on the rice scheme.
David Bowie - "we can be heroes, just for 1 day"
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she was a great PM and really suprised me, i didnt expect she could step up but she did.
her standout and defining moment, apart from her excellent election campaign, was how she handled the protesters. patiently she waited them out, eventually they lost supporters every week and finally there was hardly any left.
compare that to Abhisit and Suthep who gave the order for live ammunition .... and killed almost a hundred.
also the way she dealt with some pretty ugly, fanatical, hate filled opposition groups in the public.... when she responded it was with grace, dignity, unlike the ugliness from her opponents. and im sure some of that will be on display again in the responses to this post.
anyhow, well done Yingluck....
What was her epitome of greatness for you?
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She has been a far better PM than anyone from the opposing side...ever.
Hahahahahahaha!
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It is my understanding that barring the cabinet that was in place before midday, there were no other MPs left following the dissolution of the house.
That means that a new PM must be selected from the beheaded, dismembered and gelded remains.
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I think the best thing to hope for is that YS either resigns today or gets the chop, Abhisit stands down, elections go ahead and it's Korn on a reform platform vs another plastic Shinawatra
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Lightning is hotter than the sun.
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What a coincidence!
So. Resign or double trouble.
Thaksin's way to the land of camels?
Or Yinglucks's retreat to Chiang Mai?
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What was Samak kicked out for? Receiving 5,000 Baht for appearing on a cookery programme in a previous piece of blatantly political interference from the courts.
Tarit was effectively a civil servant who was openly critical of the government. He had to go.
Tarit has to go for sure.
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No point going half cocked
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Just spent 75 minutes northbound on Phaholyothin going 200m.
There appears to be a fire at or near the criminal courts at Ratchada.
This was after a massive storm so probably lightning
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Actually it's the responsibility of the storage depots to keep records and report these to a central office who eventually reports to the government.
It's like saying it's the governments responsibility to know where all the fuel tankers deposit their fuel after it's left the fuel depot.
No it isn't!!!
Every storage depot should have a transport manager and logistics manager who logs all the entries and exits.
Every depot should have a weigh bridge as well to tally up what's on the shipping/transport invoice.
That's not Yonglucks responsibility there's dedicated people who should be hauled up for questioning waaaaaaaaay before she's been hauled in.
Poor analogy.
The Petroleum AuThority of Thailand is the government body to which you refer and is more usually referred to as PTT.
It most certainly should know where its stock is at any given time and it does.
How in the name of God could anyone ever run such a scheme where nobody has a grip on either cash or stock?
You wouldn't run a noodle cart like that!
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The NACC have the power to take down a government.
Therefore the highest level of scrutiny and accountability should be put on this organization, by the public to ensure they are independent, just, consistent and fair with their actions.
Fact is, the NACC are not independent, they are a judicial arm of certain interests, and a full public investigation needs to be opened ASAP, they are not above scrutiny.
Common street hookers have the power to take down governments
NACC is not judicial in any way
The evidence they uncover will be considered by a court of law and if the decision is againts Yingluck, she will have the right of appeal
So - enough of your misguided hyperbolex
Last thing I heard, your average "common street hooker" as you put it, doesn't have the power to recommend to the Senate that a PM be impeached.
NACC is not judicial in any way? You might want to tell Vicha Mahakhun that before he gives out any more interviews to the press outlining corruption which his Committee hasn't proved.
He also defined the NACC "system" was an inquisitorial system who's remit was to establish "facts" not an adversarial system where a lawyer is allowed to defend the accused. Unfortunately he seems to have got the two systems mixed up and ended up with an adversarial system where the facts aren't checked ("missing rice") and the accused has no access to a defence.
I didn't say that the ladies of the night have the power to recommend to impeach - but as Berlusconi discovered, they can bring an end to a corrupt politician's career.
Outlining the basis of a case to the press is certainly within the remit of any investigative organization - from the DSI to the DA. It's called transparency.
I'm sure that when the outcome is read out it will be made abundantly clear whether missing rice forms part of the evidence. If it doesn't then will YS or her legal representatives apologise?
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With the way things are here if you were a Thai male wouldn't you be cavorting with ladies wearing hot pants and if a suitably built lady wear them and earn some good money ?
I know that short sighted attitude is wrong because Mr. T will return and all can live happily ever after.
The Mr T crack is lazy thinking and self aggrandizing. Wow. You must really love yourself.
I was enjoying the hotpants story.
Please leave Mr. T's crack out of it!!!
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Interesting to see Khaosod admitting to several tens of thousands . . . quite a lot larger number than any recent PT/UDD rally.
How many RS people were at Thawee Wattana over the weekend?
I didn't see it in any news
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The NACC have the power to take down a government.
Therefore the highest level of scrutiny and accountability should be put on this organization, by the public to ensure they are independent, just, consistent and fair with their actions.
Fact is, the NACC are not independent, they are a judicial arm of certain interests, and a full public investigation needs to be opened ASAP, they are not above scrutiny.
Common street hookers have the power to take down governments
NACC is not judicial in any way
The evidence they uncover will be considered by a court of law and if the decision is againts Yingluck, she will have the right of appeal
So - enough of your misguided hyperbolex
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And where are the comments from the government on this and other shocking events such as Rohingya trafficking and the murder of Indonesian officials?
One would think they are doing nothing...
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I still don't understand how any party expects to achieve reform without subverting the constitution and the law.
How.about this for a novel idea. Some person write out a list of what they want to reform and make it a manifesto and see if the people will vote for it?
It may well come down to that. Probably the dems as the others lack the nous
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Wait a sec,,, The anti-graft has the authority to call any witnesses and introduce any evidence into the case say's the NACC,
BUT when the defendant wants to call witnesses or introduce evidence into the case, the NACC say's NO!!!
And now the has been a compliant about the unfairness of the NACC, they are crying the PM's lawers are intimidating them.
I see no intimidation, only lawers manovering inside the law as lawrs do, isn't that what you pay them for?...
Unless you know what evidence the NACC has and what evidence YS' lawyer is attempting to introduce, you are talking out of your hat
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When there's been accusations of missing thousands of tonnes of rice the onus is on the accusers to prove this is indeed the case and normally when such accusations happen then a stock take by an independent authority is required and if the stock isn't missing then be prepared to be countered.
I don't see a problem in the government insisting the stocks be checked if they've been accused of having such huge numbers missing.
Whose job is it to maintain accurate stock and cash figures on this scheme?
The government!!! They are the administrators. Their own records show losses.
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NACC have already stated that the witnesses they didn't allow had nothing further to add to the case. End of argument.
Perhaps if PT/CAPO/UDD stop criticising, intimidating and threatening legal action against NACC etc if a decision doesn't go their way, and perhaps if (just for once in her life) Yingluck was available to meet them directly for once instead of campaigning for votes as always, they'd be a bit more lenient/sympathetic/helpful.
The NACC has already been far too lenient with her by bending its own rules to assist her.
I don't see too many of the 60 odd million people in this country who have followed the stories of the rice scheme and witnessed the massive losses believing anything other than guilt.
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The NACC have denied the government the chance to mount an effective defense, The government has stated that if they are not treated fairly then they will bring charges.
The NACC are not above the law they should be fair and un-biased but they are not.
If I were in Yingluck's shoes I would have attended all the hearings in person instead of hiding in CM and sending thugs to the offices.
Is the NACC obliged to see any witnesses? No. Just to have enough of a case to move forwards or to drop it.
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This is great news
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Intimidation is a very strange way to uncook a goose
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NACC to make decision on rice-pledging case against Yingluck at 1pm Thursday
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This will be interesting.
Will the "disappearing rice stocks" be part of the evidence? I doubt it.
Was anything ever done to investigate the corruption that the Dems raised in the censure debate a couple of years ago?
What was done following the NACC's warning to the government about the rice scheme corruption?
Does never attending a meeting as chairman provide enough evidence for negligence?