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6 hours ago, Bluespunk said:
Nonsense.
They are subject to the same regulations as everyone else.
If you can catch the buggers.
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5 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:
Because it isn't just the people with Covid who are at risk. Once ICU beds are full it's not just sufferers from covid who will be getting substandard care. Not to mention being cared for by exhausted medical personnel. There's a magnifying mortality effect during a pandemic.
Mortality was "magnified" in the UK all right - by the failure to protect the vulnerable elderly in care homes and ensure the chronically sick under house arrest for months could access the treatment they needed.
Hospitals were never stretched, as the viral videos of nurses and orderlies doing the conga around deserted corridors and wards demonstrated all too clearly. Maybe those high jinks account for your reference to "exhausted medical personnel"!
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5 hours ago, Bluespunk said:
Not true. Quarantine regulations, as they were, applied to all subject to them no matter how you arrived.
Show me a link that excepted dinghies.
Unless of course, you were making an off topic comment promoting false claims on immigration...
Depends where they land.
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"No, no - I insist. This is on me!"
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Just now, johnpetersen said:
You know smart people who say there is no HIV virus, you know that the medical community will be dreaming up symptoms and that vaccinations will be mandatory. Enough said.
Enough said.
That's a relief.
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Hardly fake news. By the sound of it, just con-artists advertising a dodgy product which turned out to be another scam. But it set me thinking. . .
Like "hate speech", the pejorative "fake news" is becoming increasingly popular, and ever harder to define.
Memes like these don't just pop out of the woodwork. They emanate from well-paid behavioral scientists paid to cleverly "nudge" us into conformity with whatever the official narrative happens to be.
Time to ditch them before they become . . .well, the "new normal".
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1 hour ago, johnpetersen said:
Not nearly the range of symptoms caused by Covid. And flus have been with us for a much longer time. Give covid a few years and I bet there be even more Covid symptoms tabulated.
You're right.
The more symptoms that can be dreamed up, the more we'll be scared into believing the only escape from endless "new waves" is a dodgy vaccine - rushed to market without sufficient safety testing by drug companies indemnified against any claims for resultant damage.
So roll over, everybody, and get ready to roll up your sleeve for those mandatory shots. OMDB.
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8 hours ago, kingdong said:
stone me chomper,never thought you,d do a post i agree with.
While comparisons between COVID 19 and flu are heresy to some, there are striking similarities not only in their common symptoms but also in the hidden collateral damage both are capable of causing.
A number of very serious conditions can piggyback on seasonal flu and the corona viruses which spread the common cold. The health problems they cause can linger long after the initial infection has passed.
The list run from potentially fatal viral or bacterial pneumonia and includes also some of the same conditions now being attributed to COVID 19 - ranging from temporary loss and smell of taste to inflammation of the brain, heart and liver.
Could it be that the coronavirus responsible for the current panicdemic is not really as "novel" as the "experts" would have us believe?
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8 hours ago, Enoon said:
They've been grasping it since the beginning of April:
"Ferocious rampage through body, brain, toes. . . "
If cool, dispassionate scientific analysis like this doesn't get us all begging for our mandatory COVID shots I can't imagine what would.
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17 hours ago, bkk6060 said:
It sounds to me as if the act may be amended to make it mandatory that everyone wears a mask.
The words "edge" and "thin end" come to mind.
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I could do you a favour. Still got a bit of room left under my mattress.
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20 hours ago, Saint Nick said:I just got a haircut!
Can anyone - again- explain to me, why THAT was okay, but I can not sit in a pub, with a mate and have a beer?
Oh, for a sense of perspective. For anyone under pensionable age, the chances of becoming seriously ill, let alone dying, from this latest coronavirus are infinitesimal.
You're probably at greater risk driving to the pharmacy to buy a bottle of sanitiser.
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4 hours ago, johnpetersen said:
First off, the first link is to a prediction and nothing like it has materialized.
As for the second, it says an excess of 6546 died. A good guess is that they died from not getting medical attention for fear of covid. So what you suggest the medical community should have done differently? Over 40,000 actually did die from Covid.
You seem confused. First you say predictions of excess deaths from lockdowns didn't materialise. Then you "guess" thousands did.
There was not much the medical community could have done about these excess deaths, this as their hands were tied by government policy.
Nobody knows how many of those 40,000-plus COVID fatalities were individuals who died of the virus or simply with it. One assumes you know the difference.
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6 minutes ago, Mavideol said:
with a leader who provides such clean cut instructions and some members of the government not respecting their own rules, .... no roadmap and/or supervision, selfish people brainless activities it's the perfect recipe for disaster
Boris Johnson on Tuesday confirmed that pubs and other leisure businesses can re-open from 4 July, as the UK prime minister relaxed social distancing rules from two metres to one metre.
"" Johnson said: “Where it is possible to keep two metres apart, people should. But where it is not, we will advise people to keep a social distance of one metre plus, meaning they should remain one metre apart while taking mitigations to reduce the risk of transmission.”
We need to replace this inept and inaccurate ruler with sixty million tape measures.
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6 hours ago, PremiumLane said:That is the point, we need vaccines, and until then there needs to be measure to stop the spread - hear immunity is not a strategy.
The economic impact, well that just shows how neo-liberal capitalism can't cope with crisis, I don't see what that has to do with herd immunity? Or are you saying sacrifice old people so young people won't go broke, I think there is a better way than that.
Be careful what you wish for. There's never been a vaccine for a coronavirus. Even the shots for seasonal flu are of limited efficacy. Vaccines rushed to market in the past have turned out dodgy and damaging.
Besides, some of the boffins working on the latest shots them are whingeing about not having enough COVID cases left to experiment on. Now that's what I call good news.
The world, by the way, was in a deep financial crisis before the plandemic gave those responsible a scapegoat to dream up a "reset" to the global economy.
Have a look at this: https://www.weforum.org/great-reset
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44 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:
No cases and deaths peaked after the lockdown on the 23rd March
Did you actually watch the video?
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14 hours ago, geriatrickid said:
Your question is focused on the UK which is not related to the German topic;
1. You are complaining that patients "desperate for treatment for other serious conditions died in their homes under lockdown".
Do you have any verified data to support this allegation? No one was denied urgent care and some emergency procedures did continue at designated facilities. However, you seem oblivious to the fact that there is a SOP when a hospital is faced with the presence of a highly infectious contagion and when there is a catastrophe. Non urgent care is to be minimized and personnel is to be directed to the support of the designated catastrophe. Put Covid19 aside and consider the response when there is a c. difficile outbreak: All non urgent invasive procedures are suspended, and wards are either emptied or subject to the cold/hot designation. The Covid19 response was no different.
Are you aware that there is an ongoing shortage of medications and PPE? How exactly do you propose that non essential procedures be undertaken when there is not enough medication to support urgent care patients? The amount of PPE consumed for the care of urgent care patients has meant that other activities cannot be undertaken. In plain language, if there is no protective equipment and inadequate sterilization capability, it is impossible to carry on as usual.
2. The lack of PPE is an underlying limiting factor and there is no way that any one country could have stockpiled enough for this catastrophe. Hospitals went through in a month what they have used in a year. The PPE is needed because this is a highly infectious disease. Are you aware that a reported 200+ healthcare personnel have died due to COVID19 infections? It is immoral to demand that health care workers undertake their work without adequate PPE. It is wrong to put patients at risk when the healthcare workers cannot treat them safely. patients stayed away from the urgent care facilities because they had legitimate concerns in respect to infection.
3. You complain about the initial excess capacity. That capacity would have been required had the social distancing efforts failed. This is now being demonstrated in the USA where hospitals no longer have capacity. Arizona is at the start of a surge and its ICU beds are at close to 80% capacity. 73% of its hospital beds are occupied; with 14% of all regular beds occupied by Covid19 patients. When the rural/urban characteristics are taken into account, the principal city hospital ICUs are in excess of 100% capacity
When a hospital accepts an infectious disease case, it must create buffer space to prevent an outbreak in the facility. This buffer space takes away beds from other patients.
In effect, the Covid19 patients are starting to crash hospital systems in the USA, particularly in urban areas.
You are criticizing the UK because it was able to avoid what we are now seeing in some US states. In effect, you are angry at the success of the Covid19 response.
Some success story.
Thousands of elderly care homes residents needlessly sacrificed. . . a belated lockdown that trashed civil rights. . . a deliberately-contrived fear-mongering campaign which made sick folk too scared to leave home to seek help. . . endless muddle over masks and self-distancing measures. . . a wrecked economy. . . a massive black hole of debt. . . violent mass protests on our city streets. . .
If this is success, what in heaven's name would failure look like?
All the issues you have raised here have already been addressed in previous posts by myself and other forum members critical of the UK's pandemic strategy.
Carry on nitpicking and flogging your pro-Government dead horse if you like. I'm happy to await the findings of a public inquiry, which MUST be held into this self-inflicted wound to our nation.
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12 hours ago, candide said:
As has been already objected to you by another poster in another thread, this not true. The lockdown started on March 23rd and the case peak occured around April 13th.
The death peak occured on April 8th.
Yes it is. Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D41vEJMEmw
Read this:
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3 hours ago, Bender Rodriguez said:
safe than sorry?
lockdown forever?
did daughter not spend time with other children or people the last 5 months ?
hysteria has taken over "normal" thinking
the new normal is: be scared, be very afraid of everybody
germs will kill you
there are 100 trillion bacteria in YOUR BODY
I assume your question about my daughter was meant to imply that if she were going to catch the virus she would already have done so.
The reality is you have no idea whether this is the case or not. Neither do I. Which is why I would like schools to test all returning children and inform their parents of the results.
Better safe than sorry seems a reasonable attitude when one happens to be head of a household which includes several generations, including a vulnerable octogenarian.
I share your sentiments re the general hysteria generated around this particular pandemic. We've survived and prospered after worse.
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33 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:
Nightingale hospitals were built on the presumption of better safe than sorry. They were mainly for younger fitter people. The most serious cases were attended to in
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/do-many-nhs-nightingale-hospitals-remain-empty/
Really? Critically ill people who weren't suffering from Covid died because they were refused admittance to hospital?
Don't twist my words. I never said anyone was refused admittance to hospital.
One day we will learn the full, catastrophic impact of lockdowns on sick people too scared to leave their homes for treatment. Meanwhile. . . and there's plenty more out there if you care to look.
https://www.rt.com/uk/488829-covid-additional-deaths-mystery/
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Too little too late. Data is the new oil - and social media giants have made fortunes selling ours without passing anything on in appreciation This is unethical and unfair.
We need new privacy laws limiting rights to our own personal information. We should be able to decide if it can be passed on and to whom and be entitled to a copyright fee if it is sold.
Could be a nice little earner!
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The government should set up testing facilities at all schools from day one and at regular intervals thereafter. Parents need to know if their child is infected in order to keep them away from the elderly relatives for whom COVID can easily be a death sentence.
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If the government fears a second wave, it should put its money where its mouth is and organise nationwide tests for all returning students from day one and at regular intervals thereafter.
Otherwise, large numbers of schoolchildren risk catching the virus and passing it on to vulnerable elderly relatives, for whom COVID 19 is frequently fatal.
Parents of infected students need to be informed asap so they can safely separate them from the rest of the family, just as they routinely would for flu, measles or mumps.
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14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:
I was being sarcastic..........no I don't trust him
However I do have great respect for Bill Gates
He seems to be one of those love-him-or-hate-him guys. But how many of his admirers and critics actually know much about the man and his mission
If you have the time and interest, I thoroughly recommend this series:
Building a safer and stronger normal in Thailand with 5G
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The usual predictable PR twaddle from one of the outfits which stands to make a killing from a totally untried and untested technology which many consider to be a threat to our health, safety and security
If 5G is safe, why does Mr Oxford imagine thousands of scientists, medical experts and environmentalists have petitioned the UN, EU and governments across the world for a moratorium on the roll-out?
https://www.5gappeal.eu/
They say radiation from powerful new technology will be hazardous to every living thing on the planet - not least its human population. A growing number of towns, cities and regions across the world have already banned 5G.
https://smombiegate.org/list-of-cities-towns-councils-and-countries-that-have-banned-5g/
Human rights advocates see the arrival of 5G as a serious potential threat to personal freedom and privacy, as it will enable Chinese-style population surveillance and control by Western governments.
https://www.corbettreport.com/5g/