ktm jeff

Ah !! .  Thank you eisfeld , i didnt know that. Completely agree with you. Would you want to get this bike "serviced" at a mom & pop shop.

Naboo.Your list is correct , but my explanation was of the energy contained in a liter of fuel , of the different types. E 20 is a compromise for SOME cars , of later years , but still  has less energy than E10. Hence the higher consumption , and reduced power mentioned by hkt83100 .The bio-fuel diesel is a big problem , waiting to hit the fan. If you think of the planned increase of Bio "fuel" as the Ethanol of diesel , you can see the problems that is going to cause.  All thanks to all the misinformation from the sandal wearing tree-huggers.

8 hours ago, Happy Grumpy said:

Nice looking.

 

Probably nice riding, for what it is.

 

a joke of a price. 

I think the price is out of whack due to this bike being one of the few that are actually being made by Honda Japan , and is subject to some import tax. I wonder if Thailand could just import them from Indonesia , bringing the price down to about 160K. Dont forget the Yamaha R3 is only 180K , and has much more power , and the Yamaha build quality. At this price , its like the 24 BHP CRF 450  -  dead in the water.

1 hour ago, jackdd said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel

 

 

So if i'm not mistaken the calculation should look like this (85% ethanol, 15% gasoline vs. 10% ethanol and 90% gasoline):

x = y*((85/1.5+15)/(10/1.5+90))

y = price of gasohol

If the E85 price is lower than the x from this equation E85 offers the better energy / cost ratio, if it's higher then Gasohol is better

Currently this site here: http://www.pttplc.com/en/getoilprice.aspx

Shows Gasohol 91 at 28.98 and E85 at 20.84

Using the equation from before: 28.98*((85/1.5+15)/(10/1.5+90)) = 21.485

So with these prices by using E85 you get slightly more energy per baht

Another way to work it out is Ethanol has 60% the energy of gasoline. E10 is 90% gasoline + 10% ethanol , so 96% energy. ( 90% + 0.6 of 10% ). E 85 is 15% gasoline + 85% ethanol , so 66% energy. ( 15% + 0.6 of 85% ). This means E10 has just over 45% more energy , per liter , than E85. So if E 10 is priced at 45% or less than E 85 , it gives better energy per Baht.  The problems with the harvesting , conversion and production of Ethanol , not to mention its total carbon footprint , makes Ethanol a very poor choice for the environment , not to mention the long term problems associated with its use and water absorption.

It looks a very nice bike , but shouldnt be called a CBR "RR". This bike is a few cylinders short , to be given that moniker. As with many Hondas lately , i would want to wait a year or so , to see what quality issues surface later on. Who / where is this engine / bike made.  In India , by Hero or TWS , or China , or Thailand. Its a great looking bike , but the Kawasaki 250 starts at 122K , and the 300 at 154K. This bike needs to be much cheaper than the Yamaha 300 , that has more power , and a lot more torque. Priced about 160K would be good.

This style of bike is made buy Ryuka , called the 110 Sport - 31,900 Baht. Could be worth buying new at that price.

I think part of the problem is lack of trained mechanics , seen throughout multiple marque dealers . Maybe this is why some bikes are returned to the factory. Cant be the easiest option , depending on where you live. A decent independent mechanic is is most valuable if you dont want to/cant do the work yourself. Another problem is some mechanics and potential buyers cant see past the sticker on the tank ,  or they fear the unknown , so are reluctant to deal with , or buy , these machines . Years ago , i bought a 2011/2 model Platinum PX 250 motard , in Chiang Mai. I fitted motocross tires on the 17" rims , and it has served me very well on and off road since. Other than service items and replacing  the plastic hand guards and front fender for Acerbis copies ( from Honda ), the only items i have replaced are the front disc brake master cylinder piston and rubbers , and the brake pads. I used genuine Honda parts for replacement , as they are the same fitment. Two years ago , i replaced the brake pads again , and used Bendix type , again from Honda. What a great improvement over the Honda parts. The Chinese / Taiwanese companys are heading in the right direction , and quickly too. 

In January 2017 , it was 129,000 Baht.

Lets hope Zongshen will lead the others by example. Ive heard of terrible service from a past Lifan dealer in Chiang Mai , so much so , they are no longer allowed to trade with Lifan. The lady that took over the sales licence of Lifan has 3 shops . The one i have visited is North bound on the HangDong road , just North of Big C. Her professional attitude mirrors your experience with Zongshen . That is the way forward. Years ago , the biggest problem with buying an "unknown" make of bike/quad , was the dealer set up and their backup service. A problem also found in some "mom and pop" shops. This is a step in the right direction. 

Fantastic Zongshen Ryuka service. They have dealt with this problem ( well out of warranty ) in a very professional manner throughout. And at an excellent price. What impressed me most from your post , was they have also done some preventative maintenance , renewing the seal. This type for-thought isnt always forthcoming at many garages. Enjoy your Quad.

30 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Whenever at lights I leave the bike in 1st gear and turn off the engine... 

I restart & go as soon as the lights change. 

 

Does that make any difference to the heat with Ducati when stopped at lights? 

Starting any bike in gear can put extra strain on the starter / starter clutch , but my main concern would be switching the engine off.  Even without an oil cooler , the engine/gearbox oil helps cool the engine , but only if it is flowing - IE engine running. With no coolant flow of either water or oil , the engine will just sit there , cooking itself. Which is why these stop/start systems are such a stupid idea , unless there is an electric pump to circulate the cooling fluids.

Well done Zongshen. That sounds good service to come to your house , and take the quad away. Shame they cant get the part/s earlier , but i guess they dont stock everything.

The engine code could be ZS 170 FMM. It might be behind the gear lever. A video on Youtube , suggests the engine kill switch ( if it has one ) is on the left side of the bars , under the light switch , in the place the indicator switch would be. May be worth checking 

If the mechanic comes to him ( now thats good service ) and cant fix on site , maybe he will take it away , to further investigate. Its encouraging they are pulling out the stops to fix this. I know Zongshen is a good company , so lets hope they lead the way for other generic motorcycle companies , in customer service.

2 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

Just a thought. Have we eliminated the handlebar kill switch from the equation? maybe disconnect that first? As it may ground out the ignition. 

He has been told there is power going into the CDI , but unless one can confirm , its all just 50/50.  Im very annoyed with the unhelpful response of Zongshen. How do they ( and other "generic" bike makers ) expect to be taken seriously if they dont stock spares. You can see why people default to the main players , to avoid this problem. A personal visit may bear fruit , rather than e-mails.  Theres a Zongshen shop in Chiang Mai where the lady owner is helpful. I can ask her for phone numbers of contacts in Pattaya if this helps. 

There is a very good , but busy , motorcycle mechanic in Hang Dong. His name is Nung. His workshop is behind a display of spirit houses for sale , on the Northbound side of the Hang Dong / 108 road , almost opposite North Chiang Mai college. I believe he is on LINE. 

Just point to the valves and say dont touch / OK. They wont be offended.

You seem to be heading in the right direction. Please let us know the outcome.

If Eddys has gone - unless somebody else knows another shop - you could try WWW.ZONGSHENTHAILAND.COM   Get details of a local dealer.  Parts are sometimes difficult to identify , hence many shops reluctance to spend hours looking for a simple part. No thinking outside of the box here. 

That Jag XK combo had the rad in the sidecar unit. The carbs were just in front of the rider , resulting in a very pleasant / unpleasant experience if you braked too hard.

Zongshen Ryuka are a good and popular company. They make some good bikes , but i never knew they made quads. I would search out the local dealers. The biggest problem will be finding a decent mechanic unless the dealer is good. At least he will have access to parts. Independent shops arent too keen on this type of "generic" bike , as they cant always identify the parts. Zongshen Ryuka dealers would be my first choice. The engine code should be stamped into the lower area of the block / gearbox. This may be needed for part identification.

What is the quad make , Lion or Basham , or engine ID code. Maybe something like 189FMM etc. Do you have the original CDI unit , or its ID. Eddys was ( its been a few years since i was down Pattaya way ) over on the "Darkside" , near the big auction place. Sorry , i dont have the phone number.

2 hours ago, KittenKong said:

1. Yes

2. Maybe he was worried about debt collectors taking it? Or maybe he has been using it for illegal purposes?

3. Does it ever end if you are involved with Thai people?

Spot on with 1 and 2. With Q3 , he will be annoyed about loosing the car , so i wouldnt sell it just yet. Maybe he will buy it back , providing any outstanding tax and fines are paid. Registered in his name . of course.  There will be no financial loss to yourselves if this proves the case.

Are you able to transport the quad to the garage. There is Eddys motorcross bike shop in Pattaya. Some more details of the problem may help. Spark at plug . Power in/out of  coil. Bad earth somewhere. Power in/out of ignition switch.

In Chiang Mai there is a place selling 2WD Lion quads , 200/250/300 cc  , Northbound on the HangDong road , just North of Big-C. I see the 4WD quads when im out riding off-road , but these are imported/expensive Polaris types. There may be some club for these who can advise further.