ktm jeff

1 hour ago, SteveK said:

It's about 45k!

My bad. 2018/2019 price is 89,000 Baht. Bargain !

3 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Absolute rubbish all car manufacturers are in the same boat.

New car buying has slowed down , and will get worse , for everyone , but those companies who have traded on their old reputation , and kept their head buried in the sand , are now going to suffer most . Or close down. Smaller dealer network and re-sale values on the floor. Honda has been behind for years in technical , quality and customer "service" , with both cars and bikes . They lost a fortune trying to get back into F1 with a unreliable , underpowered engine. At a time when buyers were deserting them and spending elsewhere , on better products. 

Ryuka , and GPX are both well respected companies by those who know. They use Chinese components - sane as Honda etc , but the finished product quality isnt as  high as Honda etc. They are however much cheaper. If you only want a new cheap runabout , the classic Ryuka CUB (similar to Honda cub ) is from 30K Baht. The Honda super cub is 110K Baht. Thats some difference. Is the Honda better. Yes. Is it worth the extra . Depends on how you feel about brand names , hype and your planned use. Any decent mechanic can keep these type of bikes going for years.

25 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

188k according to the Yamaha site.

 

Yea that's why I don't fully understand the 250cc for this bike. Don't most licenses across Asia allow up to 400cc?

 

Added costs would be marginal. Or maybe at 250cc the masses are so small that making it rev to 17k isn't too crazy expensive?

188K is a great price. There was a 400cc license limit in Japan in the 80,s. Dont know whats about now. In Thailand i thought after the 110cc age limit , there was no restrictions. A 400 would have a "bit" of torque making it slightly less manic. In England i have a ZXR 400 track bike , but max power is 13,000 RPM. It will rev higher. The old Yamaha/Kawasaki/Suzuki  250/4,s would rev to 19/20K and had 45BHP. The Honda had 40BHP. The 400,s had 60 BHP . If this new ZXR 250 has 59 BHP , thats some machine.

4 hours ago, papa al said:

Redline on papa's ceeber is 11.5.

sounds ~ the same.

Usually shift at 11 tho.

Or 10.

They / Yamaha / should make a 125 or 150cc 4-banger.

papa would go for that.

Naked.

20,000 r's is nice round number

Making a 125 4 cylinder with such advanced technology as this ZXR wont be much cheaper. Looking at that from another angle , making a 400 wont be much more expensive. Until then we have the R3 321cc twin and the 400 Ninja twin.

I wouldnt be surprised if Honda doesnt close dealers in many other countries too. It hasnt done much since 2000 , and their market share has since plummeted. Overtaken by many other forward thinking companies offering more advanced products at better prices/re-sale. Their motorcycle arm will soon follow. What a shameful fall from grace . They were really good once , but that was in the 80,s and 90,s.

9 minutes ago, Nebula said:

The cbr exists but not 4 but 2 cylinders. Expected to be upgraded to 4 and a it more power.

Thanks. It seems the Honda has 38BHP , but the Kawasaki has 59BHP. Some difference.

1 minute ago, Nebula said:

The cbr 250rr is 250,000 b

Does this thing exist ?. 4 cylinders , 59 BHP. For sale in Thailand. Ive never seen one. Would be nice though. The Yamahas and Kawasakis of the Eighties would rev up to 20,000 RPM

5 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

How does this compare with other bikes in Thailand?

Nothing even comes close. Best so far is the twin cylinder 300cc Benelli and Kawasaki and the 321cc Yamaha , giving about 40 BHP.  A 250cc four cylinder giving 59 BHP will really kick things off. I would price it about 280/310 K.

The fact that these "type" of bikes can run for years , with minimal maintenance , is amazing.

Answeing the 3 above posts together. Thanks for the video. I didnt know Ohlins had since bought most of themselves back from Yamaha. The video shows the Honda with a oil centrifuge and a gauze. I think most bikes have a centrifuge. The Yamaha also has a proper paper oil filter. And the Yamaha can still run on ethanol (E85) , but i agree , E20 is the most id like to use on any bike , no matter how advanced. As i said before , a wave , and its suspension etc will be fine for running about. I just prefer the quality of Yamaha.

On 3/14/2020 at 6:10 PM, tlandtday said:

I don't believe those mpg figures myself no way it is getting much  more than the honda.

Then educate yourself and read about it on the Yamaha website. A number of bikes were given to journalists to ride a public road route , not over 60 KPH , and the consumption was between 260 MPG and 272 MPG. 

On 3/14/2020 at 6:03 PM, tlandtday said:

From what I have seen on the smaller bikes 300 and under yamaha cuts corners on the suspension.  Hondas much smoother ride and engines.  I would do the wave simply for the reason they are so popular here regarding service and resale. And that 110i engine is bulletproof.  Go buy a 2000 baht bicycle at big c lol.

You might want to do some research. Yamaha own Ohlins ( THE suspension company ). Yamaha suspension , brakes and engines are another level compared to Honda. Consider for a moment , the Honda engine doesnt have an oil filter and cant run on Ethanol fuel. Honda has fallen behind on the technology and quality. A wave/scopy will be ok for running around , but there are much better bikes now available.

16 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:

 

 

Sorry , wasnt implying any doubt on your behalf. Just thought id mention the Yamaha website is where the test came from. Yamaha make very efficient bikes/cars.

Steve , i think the Honda quality of years gone by , has gone. The Yamaha will be a great bike. Sharp looks , alloy wheels , electric start and disc brake. It also does up to 96 Kilometers per liter. Yes , 96 KPL. As tested by journalists recently. 

On 1/28/2020 at 4:20 AM, Farangwithaplan said:

lubricants-03-00054.pdf 328.63 kB · 13 downloads

 

Attached is a doc that some may find interesting. Section 3 shows the conclusions.

Wow , that was heavy reading.  So the up-shot is , fully synthetic oils are more thermally stable then semi synthetic , but both types of oils depend on their base stock oils and additives to remain stable over the long term..

1. B10 Has less damaging plant waste bio than B20. Your car is fine with both , but it may be wise to see what extra servicing/filter changes Toyota recommends. Wise of your wife to check first.

On 1/21/2020 at 8:09 AM, giddyup said:

Now it's out of warranty I think I'll wait for the 100K before worrying about it.

Your car is 5 years old. Its done 20K. You want to wait until 100K to have a 400 Baht cam belt change. Good luck with that .  If your still alive , please re-post educating us how you got on.

12 hours ago, jackdd said:

Four types, you forgot 100% synthetic.

 

There may be more . Mineral , Semi Synthetic , Hydro-cracked/Molecular cracked ? ( Castrol lMagnatec ) , Fully Synthetic , FS Double Ester ( Motul 300V Factory) and 100% FS. Clever stuff oil. The Shell Advance Ultra i use in Thailand  , and called FS , is really 100%. My error. Its 360 Baht/L. I use Motul 300V in England due to its double quantity of long chain ester molecules. In Thailand this is 950 Baht/L. I get it for 1100 Baht  (£55 / 4L) in England. As an oil change on a simple scooter is done once per year , id spend a little bit more on FS.

6 hours ago, papa al said:

The best oil for most engines is group 4, PAO [polyesterolifins].

 

PAO,s are Polyalphaolefins. I always prefer to use fully or 100%  synthetic oils in all my bikes. It may be too good for some , but im happy knowing its got the best oil in there if the vehicle is used hard or in extreme conditions. For the cost of 1.4 liters of FS oil (500 Baht ) id use Shell advance ultra or similar.

23 hours ago, papa al said:

Depends:

AX3 is B130/l

True .. But the oil to which  the OP referred - Shell advance ultra 100% synthetic - is 360 Baht. Those others are lower quality/price , but many will say they are suitable too. I just prefer to put the highest quality oil in as i have to justify my decision only to me,myself and i. 

10 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

This will be good?

The CVT belt is dry , so unless there is a leak , the MA/MB oils make no difference. I thought MA oils contained EP extreme pressure additives to cater for the gearbox requirements , and no friction modifiers that cause clutch slip.  Scooters having CVT pulleys instead of gears , dry centrifugal clutches and dry belts can use friction modifiers , same as car oils do. Gear oils of 90 weight viscosity can sometimes be described as having a 30 crankcase weight. Gearboxes dont get as hot , so a 90 weight in a warm gearbox would thin out to 30 in a crankcase.  Shell Advance is about 360 Baht , Motul 300V nearly 1000 Baht. 500 ML of Shell 75/90 gear oil will be fine.