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That the executive is also barred is patently excessive and ridiculous. That these people ---- who may have had no knowledge of any wrong-doing are also banned ------ is obviously unjust. Your position that the executive (either did or) should have known what each of their underlings were doing is unrealistic and self-serving in the extreme.

How is it self-serving? Who is getting self-served here?

Running a party is a teamwork, and the team goes up or down together.

Or consider this - they reap the benefits of the fraud together, but only one gets punished when something goes wrong. Do you realise that it iwould be in their interest to encourage vote buying and the wrongdoers, if we accept your proposal. Chances of them being caught are minimal and scapegoats are ready to be sacrificed.

Or how do you get around this situation - a party exec commits some fraud that brings the party twenty extra seats on a party list. What should happen to these seats when this exec is punished? How do we even know how many seats exactly were gained due to fraud? How about justice for those who actually deserved those seats?

Bottom line - collective responsibility was introduced to force executives watch over each other and thus reduce vote buying, first and foremost. I, personally, do not see any real value in proposals that would lead to increase in vote-buying. The aim of these laws is to protect the public, not politicians.

I forgot to add, most of the time my computer runs Linux with the bare xfce desktop, it's on practically 24/7. When I actually use it I log into kde desktop that has aero like effects (not working in Windows). No need to reboot for that one.

I do like booting into Win7, though, it's just beautiful.

Oh, and if you don't have any spare drives, download "gparted" live CD, it can shrink your existing partitions to make space for Win7 install. There's no free Windows based software for this task, as far as I know.

Secondly, how hard is it to locate a high profile businessman with his own jet and helicopter who eats in the best restaurants around the world and has international press coverage daily?

You think Thai police has access to Dubai private airfield logs? You think they have an officer in every best restaurant checking customers?

You think they have any resources to monitor someone's movement around the world?

You are not in Jason Bourne movie, lights just don't go up on the greed everytime Thaksin pays for a meal with a credit card.

Here in Bangkok many wouldn't even want to date a foreigner - social pressure, you know. Dating foreigners is for the desperate Isanese. Also most foreigners are not "cool" by modern Thai standards.

If 60% of girls here were thinking of marrying a farang it would be hel_l. I guess about 60% are not thinking about marrying at all.

Does the current Government or the top police and judiciary really care about the extra-judicial killings in the drug war?

My guess is that it's far from their minds. Even if they do care, the probably think: "Jeez, not now, I have enough on my plate already"

Party executive board is responsible for wrongdoing committed by executive members in their official capacity and in the interests of the party. It is their job to know, it is their official position to be "accomplices", you don't need to prove any special connection.

thanks to a swiftly re-jigged constitution that proof is not required here

What's your point?

TRT was dissolved before the constition was "re-jigged".

PPP knew the deal when they took the jobs.

If you mean to say that the rule is unfair - that's your opinion, it can be argued. It IS argued right now in that parliamentary commission.

In my view the rule is fair to the people, and is practical - it's physically impossible to try hundreds of politicians to accertain their connection to wrongdoing. If the agreement to engage in fraud is not entered into official meeting minutes, there will be no evidence, and no witnesses.

The rule as it is, however strict, is not practical enough - it took a year to punish a party that had been governing the country illegitimately.

Twenty years ago media role was simple - go out, look around, and tell it as you see it.

Twenty years ago media could flatly refuse to broadcast lies, now they are hunted for it. They can't refuse, they have to be "balanced".

Now the media is forced to simply provide a channel for one way communication, without any personal input. Now the mantra is - let people decide what the truth is.

That's not what the media was originally meant for - people gave the media the power to separate facts from fiction they didn't want for themselves. That's why we have concepts of reliable media and investigative journalism.

Twenty years ago "mouthpiece" was a derogatory word, now it has become media's duty - to serve as a mouthpiece for anyone who wants to talk.

I think Justanothertosser actually justified the drug war, eventually, for cleaning the society of drugs, so things change, these kind of posters actually evolve.

What, no corpses stuffed with drugs?

At least the guys feel ashamed. There is hope.

It's not marrying into money, it's marrying into foreign culture, though only 16% want to actually leave Thailand.

I suspect that marrying into local money would not be to their taste.

he is held responsible by Abhisit .... for absolutely everything that goes wrong in Thailand.

Regarding Abhisit - that us just not true.

They'd respect the vote count (because there is a good chance they would get most votes)

They'd respect the seat allocation (because they'd likely be the largest individual party - albeit without a majority)

And you think they'd respect Democrats forming another coalition?

Realistically, they are likely to lose big time, they'd be lucky to keep half of their 2007 parliament seats, if Newin plays it right.

Many banned TRT/PPP did not buy votes. But they were banned. Are they not legit in your word?

Only party executives were banned, for condoning electoral fraud, as accomplices. Do you know that being an accomplice is also punishable?

From Pbs channel: watch the car going back and forth to make it convenient for the reds to attack. The video said this happened for 10 minutes.

At 2nd minute, the video said when the reds found that Abhisit and Suthep were not in Interior Affairs, they slowed down.

Thanks, Koo, for the video.

What a disgusting lynch mob that was! These people have lost all their dignity, it's like watching monkeys in the zoo.

I don't know what your point was, but if you wanted to elicit any sympathy for reds, it didn't work.

Maybe they should replay these clips on PBS again, so people don't forget them, as reds are trying to make a comeback while everyone else is trying to get over the horror of those days.

I really hope they do not replay them on Dstation, and no red ever blinks an eye anymore. If that is the case, I don't know how anyone can defend their humanity.

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It also reminded me of your other post where you said reds never cover their faces, never attack anyone and always smile.

Btw, 5-4 conviction in Ratchada case doesn't tell the whole story, it was only a vote on the sentence. The actual guilt was 8-1 or something equally overwhelming, they were several questions relating to it, all solidly in favour of prosecution.

It is not correct to say that he was found guilty by a slim margin.

It's very simple, distorted information is what you post on this board.

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Distorted here means knowingly posting false information. Confusing reports about Thaksin passports treaking from all around the globe is not distorted information, even if some of them turn out ot be false.

"Was Abhisit it the car?" is case distorted information, for example.

The point here is to imply that Abhisit wasn't attacked, and information is presented in misleading way to support it.

First of all - what car? Abhisit certainly was in the car at the Interior Ministry on that day. Was he in the car that was shown on TV? I never for a second believed he was inside. Have you? He left earlier.

I have no doubt that the car Abhisit left in was attacked, it was reported by the reds themselves. They've changed the tune only two weeks later.

Second - does it matter? Attackers thought he was in the car, reds are trying to present as if it was completely unrelated case. It isn't. I believe govt spokesman who say CCTV footage showed masked gunmen keeping the perimeter. He said they were waiting for reds to break into the car then shoot him. I don't know about that but it's very plausible, It was certainly not about giving hi garlands, and govt security detail should consider the worst possible scenarios.

So here it is - a perfect case of Jatuporn trying to manipulate public opinion by distorting the truth.

The problem is not wiht looking for wealthier men, the problem is looking for foreigners.

Well, yeah, but at least they don't have problems with mating..

I hope god built in some hibernation mechanism in all those middle aged single women waiting for their English knights.

It's just misery all around.

Depressing topic.

It doesn't do any good to their image if many of them are hiding their husbands while they try to seduce farangs.

vice versa..........

I think reputation of Englishmen looking for brides in Thailand is beyond salvation, it's not them I worry about. Most of them are way past mating age, too.

"He said if the newspaper presents distorted information, it will create damages to the country and violate the law""

What's wrong with this statement?

Is presenting distorted information benefitial to the country in any way? I can easily to think of several scenarios where it would violate the law.

Or do you mean he is prejudiced against red media? Hard to blame him when they insist that he wasn't in the car when he was attacked, and that all rioters were soldiers in disguise.

For me the price is not an issue as you might have guessed.

I think it's not the money issue you mean, it's the bandwidth. I just saw you post in another thread and you set up 18mpbs connection.

For most of us it's out of the question, money or not.

Yes, you will lose all your data if you install Win7 over XP, you'll need a separate partition for that. Win 7 then will give you an option to run "earlier windows version" on boot.

The biggest pain in the neck would be installing all your programs in Win7 again, they won't work anymore, even if you can see them in your drive D (win7 renames the drives when it runs).

The good thing you can still boot into XP and everything will be just as it was before.

I can't say how Win7 is better than XP. I've used it for a couple of weeks on two machines. It's nice, has a better look and feel about it, but it's still just an OS. It opens directories and copies files and has icons everywhere. That much hasn't changed, just everything looks better. I can't say it loads particularly faster, or transfers data particularly faster - performance impovements are negligible.

It's the fresh look and old dreaded XP default theme that makes it a no-brainer. I have booted in back in XP only once. It's awful.

Is it possible to get say two 2mb true lines and combine their bandwidth with this pep router?

I don't think True would give you two lines.

I assume they declared themselves single for this survey.

It doesn't do any good to their image if many of them are hiding their husbands while they try to seduce farangs.

On the second thought, many of them could be way past an acceptable "mating age", just old hags trying their luck.

Is there any hope for Isanese women reputation at all?

I think we are talking about single women of mating age, five hundred of them should be enough for a sample. Of course the poll could have been screwed up but it doesn't matter, really.

What if only twofifths want to marry a foreigner? Would the "shock" effect been any different? I'd think any more than 10% would be worrying already - there's something seriously wrong with Isanese society.

I thought Thaksin fixed all that already. Oops, no politics, sorry.