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21 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Speaking with my physician today, whose friend is on the “committee”, the medicinal marijuana won’t be smokable but will instead be a sublingual tincture.  Just an FYI

that seems like a healthy way to ingest cannabis. 

i hope it won't be too expensive and I hope it Will be quick and easy to get.

2 hours ago, LomSak27 said:

Weill Military do have to have different specs and usually come with more spare parts etc ...... plus a training package, different radar, different  ummm but it is said that is the way someplace - would not know where ... wait lets call it Paraguay heh yep there you go. The way Paraguay does it is have the seller put a big price on it then out of that, an amount is kicked back to the purchaser. 

 

You should read the article that is linked in the OP.

It says the listed price for a military fitted version and also mentions what the military bought Is an older version yet they paid more.

18 minutes ago, andygrr said:

 Nothing new there same in the UK for instance a motor that retails for around say 500 pounds 

might be purchased for use by the Royal Navy at a cost of 2000 pounds. The reason is often due

to the amount of documentation required by the MOD. Sometimes individual component might

requires quality assurance certificates as to where the material came from including batch numbers

of stock material used and test results. The price the MOD pay is crazy but so is the amount of

work generated by the documentation required for some government contracts. And I would 

imagine there to be a lot with any items used in aviation.

Or maybe there was fraud involved. It happens even in so called "not corrupt" countries like Sweden so why wouldn't it happen in Thailand where corruption is rampant?

34 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

 

The so called war on drugs has been an abysmal failure, in case anyone has not noticed. It has doubled the prison population in the US, and has drug use gone down, one iota?

 

It is the most ridiculous war ever created. Let it go. I say legalize any and all drugs. Consumption will go down, and the cartels will disappear within a month. The US would save billions on the prisoners who are locked up for drug offenses. 

 

Oh I forgot. The private prison industry is paying to keep these guys imprisoned. Lobbyists are visiting the very White House regularly, and Trump cannot say no to any lobbyist. Well, Thailand appears to be seeing at least one issue clearly.

Yeah, people are too uneducated to understand concepts such as "pragmatic vs right".

Sob-stories like "my brother overdosed on heroin and now you want to make it legal??!!??" Prevents people from thinking straight... People will overdose and lives will be ruined, doesn't matter if it's legal or not. So at least when we make it legal the overdoses will go down because products will have the same strength and won't be tainted with fentanyl etc... People just don't understand the issue... Frustrating..

And a fraction of the costs from war on drugs can be used to educate and harm-reduce.. and this cost will easily be paid for by the taxes .. it's a win win win win ... But no.. let's keep butting our heads against the wall.... 

32 minutes ago, Moon6966 said:

It's better being stoned then drunk
Less problems and no violence
And Thailand will make loads of money
Tourists will buy it by the millions
I can imagine the lines
And
It can only benfit the country
Alot better then poor people drink Lao kao that's for sure

Sent from my MI MAX 2 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

The process to get it legally for medicinal use could take weeks

. Need to see doctor, get diagnosed, get a license,, for a tourist on a 3 week holiday it might not be feasible... hopefully its the opposite way.. just go to a doctor, get the license printed the same day and walk into dispensary and get product the same day ????

hopefully.

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Great news. This may actually bring the death rate down, on the roads. If someone chooses ganga over alcohol, that is a far safer alternative. Regardless, it is a way to move the nation forward, end the scalping for pot possession, and join the more progressive nations of the world. It is also a way to embarrass Indonesia and Singapore, which is a beautiful thing, with their silly and draconian laws.

 

I wonder how this will affect foreigners caught with ganga, or if the RCD (revenue collection department) aka RTP, will continue to scalp those caught with tiny amounts.

Since they reclassified the drug it should mean the fines / penalties will be lower.. how much I don't know..

The problem is the threat of deportation...

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Great news. This may actually bring the death rate down, on the roads. If someone chooses ganga over alcohol, that is a far safer alternative. Regardless, it is a way to move the nation forward, end the scalping for pot possession, and join the more progressive nations of the world. It is also a way to embarrass Indonesia and Singapore, which is a beautiful thing, with their silly and draconian laws.

 

I wonder how this will affect foreigners caught with ganga, or if the RCD (revenue collection department) aka RTP, will continue to scalp those caught with tiny amounts.

When they legalized recreational cannabis in Colorado the road safety didn't change at all. Not for the better, not for the worse...

One explanation is that the law doesn't change people's behavior.. people got stoned before it was legal and they kept getting stoned after... This is why the war on drugs is so futile.. it doesn't actually prevent people from doing drugs.. its just a waste of money..

31 minutes ago, HAKAPALITA said:

Will you stop spoiling the Red Shirt and Fan Room Rhetoric.

Well I bet they will claim that the 10x price tag just means that US military spending is even more corrupt! (It's actually possible lol 555, wouldn't surprise me 55)

20 minutes ago, Moon6966 said:

It's better being stoned then drunk
Less problems and no violence
And Thailand will make loads of money
Tourists will buy it by the millions
I can imagine the lines
And
It can only benfit the country
Alot better then poor people drink Lao kao that's for sure

Sent from my MI MAX 2 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

It's will not be legal for recreational use.. and we don't know what type of system there will be for getting it from doctors.. could be really easy.. could be that doctors that overprescribe will be threatened with life in jail etc...

But in the long run this means a huge step towards recreational so it's all good IMHO.

57 minutes ago, elgenon said:

The OP says for Thai people". Will farangs be able to indulge? I can't read Thai.

 

Somehow I doubt 99% are in favor. Thai society is very conservative. Plus 99% of any population wouldn't agree that water is wet.

Can confirm, I have a friend that thinks the water in my faucet tastes dry, and I don't have anywhere near 100 friends.

Just now, Surasak said:

My mistake. I thought I saw it moving?

Must have been the rats and roaches

I just did some quick Google searching and the price tag to have a chopper fitted with custom military stuff can be absolutely massive.

https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2018/09/24/the-air-force-picks-a-winner-for-its-huey-replacement-helicopter-contract/

"....which received an initial $375 million for the first four helicopters and the integration of military-specific items needed to bring the AW139 to the Air Force’s requirements."

this price is almost 10x the price of the vanilla commercial one... So a 3x Price that thai military paid sounds like its actually perfectly reasonable...

that being said,, I guess it is possible to squeeze in some tea money into contracts like this...

27 minutes ago, tandor said:

..the Army's chopper probably had a gun mounted in it plus other hardware and reinforcements. 

The gun and hardware costs twice as much as the chopper itself?? Expensive guns and hardware....

15 hours ago, Psimbo said:

Completely different fits for military and civil aircraft avionics and other stuff wise. Military aircraft are inherently more expensive than their civil counterparts.

 

Doesn't stop the uninformed gnashing their teeth and beating their chests though. As pointed out they are two different types of a/c as well

But it does it warrant a triple price?

Shouldn't all the extra stuff be just a fraction of the cost.. so maybe a 120-150% price tag? Not 300%?

Or are you saying the stuff inside costs twice as much as the chopper itself??? 

12 minutes ago, dallen52 said:

Get everyone stoned,  who isn't already, or drink affected,  and the election is a no brainer. 

They will blow it in.

Like,  "wow man".

Stoned people have a long history of voting for military dictator type characters....not.

This legalization will not get people stoned that wasn't already stoned.

It Will be easier to continue buying from the black market than to find a doctor and end up in some government computer system where now your insurance company etc will know you have a medical problem...

The good news is that ppl that actually benefit from medicinal cannabis might be able to get it now. And also this is a huuuge step towards recreational cannabis because it will create a huge market and this market will have incentive to lobby for the recreational use.

1 minute ago, Surasak said:

Yes agreed, and the elevator doesn’t go all the way to the top

 

The elevator doesn't go anywhere and is used as a garbage bin

2 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

The problem is that with CCTV the camera picks up the license plate and send the ticket.  Happens more than people think in Canada.

 

The good news is she is sure to get off.  The problem today is that every little mistake that is made becomes an internet sensation.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, and when there's yet another hit and run nothing is done and no sensation... Just another statistic.

4 minutes ago, Henryford said:

The whole country will be too stoned to vote.

Any evidence that legalization increases use?

5 minutes ago, whaleboneman said:

I’m all for banning black shorts-they’re far too hot in the sun.

Maybe that's how they cause accidents lol.

25 minutes ago, GAZZPA said:

There is plenty of incidents where people crash and cause deaths whilst under the influence fella... 

 

Personally I don't touch any drugs at all and i don't condone it, but it seems that millions of people do think its a good idea so Im happy to concede I am in the minority, and therefore accept that sometime soon marijuana will be a legal, recreational and medical drug soon across the world.

 

 

There's plenty of accident's where sober peoole cause the accident as well. You need to prove a correlation between cannabis abuse and increased ratio of accidents. I bet you can't because most people that use cannabis drive better, less road rage, more cautious etc. So they make up for the few that loses concentration or has diminished reaction time.

Simply being tired while driving is way worse than Driving when under influence of cannabis.

American journal of public health has published a study that shows that the legalization of recreational cannabis in Colorado did not increase traffic accidents .

Ofcourse there was an increase of accident's where someone was high. But that doesn't prove anything.. it's like if all of a sudden everyone starts wearing black shorts you will see an increase of people wearing black shorts getting into accidents. Doesnt mean that black shorts cause  accidents. It just means that black shorts are on the rise. Don't get fooled by pseudo science and fake news.

If marijuana caused accidents you would see an increase of overall accidents when they legalized marijuana in Colorado and that didn't happen. Unless ofcourse legalization doesn't mean more people using the drug..and then it doesn't matter anyway.

14 minutes ago, Easy Come Easy Go said:

It depends how deep you want to get into it.
For example, who do you think is helping to run and control the opium trade out Afghanistan right now, where 90% of the worlds heroin originates?
Why are drugs such as LSD, DMT and psilocybin based mushrooms highly illegal? Is it because they cause mass death and insanity? No of course not, governments do not want the masses and common person getting 'ideas above their stations' - they like effective workers who do not question orders or have notions of anything away from the agenda of society.

 

It comes down to money and control, power and financial benefit. It is completely obvious to anybody with half a brain that the war on drugs not only doesn't work, but it carries on anyway. Portugal though has decriminalised all recreational drugs, so that people selling them can be put away, but users are treated like people with a problem instead of criminals. This has seen a good impact in crime in general there, and the country hasn't gone drug crazy either. This won't happen in countries like the US, because there's no big bucks to be made. Make weed legal there means evil entities such as Monsanto can buy into the business and create yet another monopoly. 

So if government doesn't want the masses to "get ideas above their station" that would be a form of corruption as government is supposed to represent the masses.

Good points thou

16 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

Not need to legalise it - just decriminalise it?

 

Anyhow medical marijuana, (as I understand it) has the principal psychoactive constituent - THC - removed or heavily reduced.

THC is the active ingredient in some forms of medical marijuana. CBD in others.

They both have medical properties but only one gets you high.

41 minutes ago, Easy Come Easy Go said:

Well there is a lot of stigma based around anything weed related, and that comes from all of the propaganda that was pushed by alcohol companies, but also way back in the 1920s when a man named Andrew Mellon (one of the richest men back then) basically used his wealth and power to demonise it, so that his paper company would triumph over the use of hemp. All of this has painted weed with a very negative brush, when in fact it's safer, more beneficial, and easier on society, than most recreational substances out there, including alcohol. 
Here is a link about Mr Mellon and his business ventures 

http://www.ozarkia.net/bill/pot/blunderof37.html

 

Heard about that stuff. But governments shouldn't enforce laws based on stigma and propaganda. That makes them look incompetent and/or corrupt. 

I really don't get it who benefits from the war on drugs. 

It's not the people.

It's not the government.

The only one who benefits are the drug dealers. Why would governments enforce laws that only benefit mafia / criminals? 

Legalization on the other hand benefits everyone. People get better quality drugs. Government gets tax revenue. People can get help for their drug abuse problems without fear of being penalized. 

I could go on.