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Just now, Thian said:

Solly mate, i don't agree...and no i'm not sick....i'm just tired of ignorant/stubborn westerners who won't listen to anybody....i also learned a lot of life the hard way which is fine...what doesn't kill you makes you stronger is my motto. And nope, i wouldn't have touched her at all, also not brought her home or have a drink with her since i don't fall for alcoholics...don't like them at all actually.

I guess sick is a misused word. I understand being tired of ignorant idiots. Its difficult to have empathy for someone that you don't know I guess. 

4 minutes ago, Thian said:

It's very easy to make yourself a victim....smart people don't do that...others might get smarter after a lesson.

Why am i sick? i'm from Europe as well and know how girls there are...that's why i have a Thai wife now.

You are sick if you have no empathy for someone that went through something extremely traumatic. 

You can think they are stupid etc, that's all ok.

But at least have some empathy. I hope you do.

2 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

Not sure how good your reading comprehension skills are, but mine are fine.

 

This what the poster said

 

there is a strong likelihood she will be taken advantage of and probably raped by a local.  Thai men are like that so be warned.

 

 

"Thai men are like that" implies that all Thai men are like that. If I misunderstood, I'm sorry.

12 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

Rubbish.

 

25 years ago in the UK, a neighbour`s 32 year old wife decided to meet her friend (another female) for a drink in a pub on a Friday evening after work.

 

At midnight an hour after the pub closing time she did not arrive home. Her husband started to worry and went out walking the streets looking for her without success, also did not know the friend she was meeting, just someone from work she said. At 3.00 in the morning still no wife at home and her husband called the police. He was told a person has to be no show for 24 hours before the police treat a case as a missing person unless involving a minor.

 

At 10.00 the following morning his wife turned up. When he asked his wife where she`d been, said; she got drunk, a guy in the pub offered to give her a lift home. Then after that all she could remember was waking up in the guy`s bed the following morning. The husband decided to call the police to report his wife had been abducted and raped. But his wife was adamant she did not want the police involved.

 

Suspecting something was off with her story her husband visited the pub and asked the barman and some customers questions. It transpired that his wife had met a friend in there, but got chatting with a male customer. Several drinks later her friend left the pub and the guy`s wife willingly went off with the guy. The husband was told that his wife and the guy were openly flirting with each other and both were very drunk.

 

A short time later the husband filed for divorce after 8 years of marriage, deciding his wife could never be trusted after that incident.

 

Now for example this would have happened in Thailand, thousands of miles away from her home turf and those she knows, she would had probably said she`d been taken advantage off and raped to protect her own reputation.

 

So saying this is a male Thai trait is just bigoted nonsense.

 

 

Thailand definitely has a strange view in rape... Not saying all Thai men are rapists or that only Thailand has this problem or similar problems and ofcourse there's rapists everywhere in the world..

Read this..  https://undertheropes.com/2016/04/01/rape-culture-in-thailand/

We are talking about a country where the PM has made a couple of statements that reflect this issue.

He said tourists shouldn't wear bikinis, specially if they were pretty. This is after the rape and murder on Koh Tao. Victim blaming at it's worst. Implying that men can't be held responsible for their urge to rape... Taking away responsibility from the rapists and putting the blame on the victim.

He also made some remarks regarding women being like candy that should be in proper wrappings as to not get spoiled.. this was in regards to song kran dresscode... 

Again, I want to stress that Thailand is nowhere near the worst or alone in any way and that I believe most Thai people have empathy and would never ever rape anyone.

10 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

Tell us why ladies have to be warned about Thai men specific when the very same actually happens everywhere in the world, including their home countries?

 

 

I think it's because we are talking about Thailand because it's a forum mostly about Thailand. I think he knows that it happens in all countries and that some countries it's even worse than Thailand.

Thai society is a bit behind Western societies regarding rape. Evident by how it's depicted in Thai TV dramas and how cops treat rape victims. 

Saying all Thai men are rapists is absolutely false. Most Thai people, just like most people everywhere in the world have empathy and don't enjoy traumatizing people... 

15 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

Thanks for informing us that this doesn't happen in our home countries, but only in Thailand

Consider this statement: "23 is a number." Does the statement imply that 23 is the only number?

5 hours ago, Aussieroaming said:

Penetrated by the same filthy finger he uses to pick his nose. I am sure non consensual sex of any kind is RAPE.

Semantics.

28 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

An interesting (but technical) article on Safety and Side Effects of CBD:-

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5569602/

 

 

One small measured step at a time, until ALL negative side effects and risks are fully understood e.g. long term hormonal effects.

"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread"! Fools can be reckless. An "Essay on Criticism" by Alexander Pope.

 

Just like Iboprufen - we are only now understanding the side effects and doing something about them.

 

 

I gotta add something to the whole safety debate.. sure there may not have been clinical trials etc.. but people have been using cannabis for a loooong time. If there was actual safety issues they would be known already... It is safe. Period. Science just needs to catch up and confirm it with whatever procedures they need. And it will happen soon.

Also, if the concern is actually safety.. would you want people to get illegally obtained

Tainted drugs or would you want them to get clean products? 

People always have been and always will be using cannabis. Period. If you care about safety you want it to be legal and regulated and quality controlled. Having it illegal actually is worse for safety and doesn't prevent use.

NO matter how you look at it legalization is the only sane option.

3 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

An interesting (but technical) article on Safety and Side Effects of CBD:-

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5569602/

 

 

One small measured step at a time, until ALL negative side effects and risks are fully understood e.g. long term hormonal effects.

"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread"! Fools can be reckless. An "Essay on Criticism" by Alexander Pope.

 

Just like Iboprufen - we are only now understanding the side effects and doing something about them.

 

 

Good points. Hopefully results will keep rolling in from countries where its been used medicinally for a while already. So far it looks very promising.

2 hours ago, lvr181 said:

Drug users are responsible? ????

 

Some are, some are not. 

I don't want to compare alcohol and cannabis as that comparison is nothing new. Instead I want to make an example to prove a point.

Alcohol is the drug that makes People behave the most irresponsible, would you agree? Yet most people that use alcohol do it in a responsible way, meaning they don't drink and drive. They don't become loud and obnoxious. They don't drink too much.

Same goes for other drugs. Most people that use drugs do so in a responsible manner. 

On a side note, why would CBD that doesn't even get users high, have to be controlled?? That makes zero sense to me. It's less harmful than ibuprofen and paracetamol and has way more benefits yet they treat it like it's some type of nuclear waste that only can be prescribed by doctors for special cases. It has awesome anti inflammatory effects, great for backpain, sleep, etc. It should flow freely. It not flowing freely is a crime against humanity.

11 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

If you don't want to take drugs, up to you.

But why should you be able to tell me what to do?

He is allowed to tell you what he want. The point is that despite what he tells you you will still take drugs if you want and he will waste his resources while trying to stop you and it doesn't make sense and just makes everything worse.

5 hours ago, HappyAndRich said:

Who decides that? The drug lovers or the ones against it.

People that are for personal freedom and responsibility.

People that are pragmatic.

People that look at evidence.

People that want less harm and more good.

People that don't want prisons overfilled with nonviolent drugoffenders.

People that don't want to keep wasting tons of money and resources fighting a failed war on drugs.

People that want to see those resources spent on harm reduction and stuff.

Those are all for this step towards sanity.

5 hours ago, adammike said:

When the smoking war is finally won then they will come for the motorists,they have started on the wood burning stoves in cities and the fireworks are getting on everyone's nerves they are on their way out.It will be great and as a bonus it will give me a laugh when all the gammons appear on question time.

Yeah, once EVs are equal or better than gasoline cars in every way there's no excuse to not heavily tax gasoline cars. I don't think they will be forbidden soon. Just heavily taxed.

8 hours ago, mommysboy said:

We live in different locations. You are describing a place and occurrence that I simply never see even though I live in a Thai city.

 

Remember we're talking outside here. 

 

If the bar is so high, the same argument of nuisance could be applied to any number of activities that some may regard as annoying.

 

You appear to be saying smokers are congregating outside of shopping malls- in all my years in Bangkok I never saw that.  Then at markets, but I was in JJ market a year back and have to take special safety note because I have a young child, yet I don't recall seeing a smoker- perhaps there were by the toilets but I can't say for sure. Out on the street, hardly worth noting.

 

Meanwhile cars pass on mass.

 

So let's take a real life example, Bill absent-mindedly strolls in to his ground floor car park with lighted cig. in hand. He is reminded, or comes to his senses, walks back and stubs it out.  No harm done- what's the big deal?  Meanwhile, of course, Bob, a resident, might come down to the car park and start his car, which pumps out exhaust fumes far above the scale of Bill's indiscretions . Can you see what I'm saying?

 

Bill understands, it's life,  but Bob isn't so philisophical, and rails at Bill for being so inconsiderate.

See your points. 

Car exhaust sucks but is tolerated for now... Because cars gives us so much.

Other annoying stuff being illegal? yes, there are for example noise regulations (also unenforced).

I see your points, one smoker smoking anywhere outside will not bother almost anyone except someone that is allergic to smoke. 

But a group of 4-5 smokers and it's a whole other level immediately.

These laws (if enforced) will hopefully only be used when they are actually needed.

14 minutes ago, Bournville said:

LOS since being here 6 years is a mystery to me. No smiles! Most days now a get zero smiles.. Not even a nod of the head. Sad indeed.

Where you living? Getting tons of smiles up here in Chiang Mai.

27 minutes ago, seancbk said:

 

This is Thailand, I'm sure getting a doctor's certificate won't be hard especially for the older guys among us who could believably have aches and pains.  

As for it being under very hard control, it's not under very hard control now really.  Loads of people smoke it all the time here and never have any problems with the law.
 

Stop bringing reality into what seemed like a good fantasy. ????

27 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

I did not say you made it up. I was referring to your kill and rape comments.

 

Alcohol is legal and still causes huge problems in society - what makes you think the legalisation/decriminalisation of "drugs" (cannabis or otherwise) will be different?

 

I do support "decriminalisation" to hopefully get rid of the criminal's trafficking. But I suspect that is about all, that may be gained. 

I gotta say, I would perhaps possibly support prohibition of alcohol and drugs if there was a way to effectively enforce it in the future. Would have to be some new way of policing. Current war on drugs doesn't work and just is a huge waste of money and causes more harm than good. Prohibition in the USA failed as well. And we don't want a society like some Muslim countries with super strict controls on everything... I bet it doesn't even work there..

13 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

I did not say you made it up. I was referring to your kill and rape comments.

 

Alcohol is legal and still causes huge problems in society - what makes you think the legalisation/decriminalisation of "drugs" (cannabis or otherwise) will be different?

 

I do support "decriminalisation" to hopefully get rid of the criminal's trafficking. But I suspect that is about all, that may be gained. 

I'm glad you support decriminalization, it seems like a good compromise.

Why I think other drugs are different from alcohol? I don't. If you make alcohol illegal there would be even more people overdosing and getting blind from bad alcohol. 

Google Portugal decriminalization results. 

Google Colorado legalization results.

18 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I'm not sure that applies to cannabis, the bad stuff just doesn't do anything.

Three ways comes to mind:

Spray it with dangerous pesticides. 

Spray it with anything to make it heavier and/or better looking. Examples include glass fibre spray (Google grit weed), hair spray, etc.

Don't flush it properly before harvest. Indoor growing requires using only water the last week or two flush out the chemical nutrients. Not sure how dangerous it is when this is not done but it doesn't taste good when smoking it, allegedly... ????

10 minutes ago, amse said:

Now with all the corruption we're familiar with, how can we be guaranteed how potent it is, being even testing labs can be corrupt, plus whether the plants were sprayed with ROUNDUP?

Odds of getting clean stuff is slightly better than when buying from a random drug dealer I guess.

Yet another benefit of legalization/ decriminalization. A chance that there is quality control.

22 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I like drugs, and take them whenever it's 'reasonably' legal to do so.

Once members of my family is over 18, it's up to them how they live their lives or not as the case may be.

Legalization/decriminalization is proven to reduce overdose deaths.

3 minutes ago, 3stan said:

Yes, because "medical profesionals" are known to not have vested interests, not work hands in hands with Big Pharma, be educated regarding plant medecine as an alternative, and always be up to date with current research..lol

You asked for it. You got it

26 minutes ago, HappyAndRich said:

Yeah, but that is not the case here.

This is a first step towards it. 

When money is on the table things tend to speed up. This will open the door for a massive markets and huge opportunity to make money for the right people... That being said.. who knows.

1 hour ago, lvr181 said:

"I am now cancer free for two years now." That is wonderful.

 

I have a daughter who is a 14 year survivor of HER2-positive breast cancer (with a double masectomy) without cannabis oil, Vitamin E or honey.

 

Personally, I have had to put up with many differing skin cancers for the past 4 years most surgically removed but some treated with Efudex (fluorouracil) or Aldara  (Imiquimod) - to stimulate the body's immune system - successfully for me in both instances and I would like to see the "Empirical evidence (fact based)" of cannabis oil for what you claim. NOT anecdotal 'evidence'!

 

I can understand the use of Fentynal (temporary) or cannabis oil among other drugs for pain control.

https://www.projectcbd.org/cancer collection of published research papers on CBD oil and cancer. Not sure if it's the best option in any cases. I would definitely always go for the option that a medical professional recommended as opposed to a random internet guy with anecdotal evidence.