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UJ is spot on with his summary Woofer.

It's normal to take the landlord's ID and house book when applying for extensions as proof of address.

Being a foreign Condo owner though your name will not appear in your blue book.

Your chanote will carry your name though and proof of ownership.

The renter may require a copy of your passport, chanote and blue book to satisfy Immigration.

Nothing unusual about his request.

Sorry Kenny, but you are so wrong. My wife has many friends from both universities that she attended and from places she worked and her family as well and they all know and use my name when talking with me or my wife. Of course we all socialise together, whether that is anything to do with the respect side of it but they only use the farang term when talking about strangers. As fey said it would be very disrespectful.

HL

No. I'm not wrong. We're talking about 2 completely different races of people. My missus left school at 12 born and raised in a village. If it's a tractor they call it a tractor, a farang a farang. They even refer to themselves in a third person sense. I know these people don't use the term farang in a derogatory way or to offend, as they would rather cut their hand off than do this. In our terms they are ignorant and uneducated. I have both educated and dirt poor Thai friends. Like I said completely different races. I like them equally

Oh yes you are. I completely agree with HL

My g/f was born in a village in the middle of Sakon Nowhere.

Her family and friends all call me by name.

My farang friends wives all call other Farangs by their name once they know them.

Thais have nicknames and rarely use their own name amongst friends.

Only if they speak about foreigners in general and not about a specific person do they use the word farang.

If your g/f and family are still referring to you as a farang, time to put your foot down and tell them it's Kenny!

If only one had to attend, there'd be Thai women queuing a mile long and a lot of Farangs back on the singles market.........and poorer and car less.

Kenny, with greatest of respect, your not listening or learning.

Government hospitals provide their services for public living and registered within there catchment area, under the 30 baht scheme, but outsiders have to pay, unless they have been referred from one hospital to another.

I'm sure when your g/f first entered the KK hospital she would have explained the circumstances.

KK would have contacted the hospital in Chaiyaphum and the doctors agreed a transfer arrangement in order to treat your g/f under the 30 baht scheme.

Of course they would automatically transfer her medical records, so they knew any allergies etc.

The KK hospital appear to have been very helpful in this process, but probably told your g/f that she needs to officially change her address to KK if she needs further treatment under the scheme.

They have effectively bought her time to make these changes under the circumstances.

If you don't want to make these changes, then if in 6 months time your g/f needed hospital treatment at KK again, I'd guess they would say they had given enough time for your g/f to make the changes and either offer her the option to return to the Chaiyaphum hospital for treatment under the 30 baht scheme, or receive treatment there, but pay for it.

Please re-read Sheryl's post ~39.

Faz, to my knowledge a Thai cannot register under the "30 baht" scheme at just any government hospital. It has to be the one that covers the physical location where they legally reside.

Up to you. I'm just trying to help you understand how the systems work here for Thais.

Mate again you have assumed a whole lot. May have mislead with my opening remarks but it's not a case of me not bothered to do it and her wanting to do the right thing. My reluctance is to not go on a wild goose chase. You may have seen a big car accident yesterday on the news where 2 guys died. They were her cousins and she is thus terrified of making this trip as well as the discomfort it will cause her and the baby. A relative in Chaiyaphum is not an option, they're all down south. What I was questioning was her interpretation of the procedure. She would rather cut her arm off than call and check options. Greing jai....you understand. Like I said have done many unesacary miles because of this. All the stuff about future schools and convenience etc is a moot point as we don't plan to live here long term. For now if the baby is able to get medical in Khon kaen I am happy. Well wait until after Songkrahn and the missus is feeling better and make the trip then and pay the fine. I believe the hospital scheme is the 30 baht scheme and am aware of moving medical registration. By the way, I'm the one who does most of the worrying and has the initiative to do things properly. She hasn't been uprooted from her family home and taken against her will to an unfriendly and foreign environment. I loved living in her village, she wanted to move here. And as for eating off the floor, hardly doubt it as i do 98% of the cooking (inc Thai food) as well as most of the housework....and pay for everything. I do this not because I'm an idiot but enjoy being busy. Appreciate ur time and effort but u flavour ur replies with little jibes and sarcasm from assumptions that just aren't the case. Please also don't assume you know what others on TV are thinking or speak on others behalf.

Thanks

Kenny I really am trying to help in your predicament.

If I assume, it's only because you haven't given the full facts, so I am left to assume.

However I have no wish to offend and offer my apologises if I have done so.

Short term I would return to Chaiyaphum as soon as possible;

1. To get the baby register on it's Mothers TB.

2. To get legalised as the babies Father.

Longer term, you wife needs to find someone she can trust who will allow her to use their TB to register her address in KK so that she can use the local services there, rather than keep returning to Chaiyaphum. I agree with your wife about the neighbours. Landlord, yes, or wait until she makes friends and can choose for herself who to trust.

Please let us keep it civil.

Faz, to my knowledge a Thai cannot register under the "30 baht" scheme at just any government hospital. It has to be the one that covers the physical location where they legally reside. If it were otherwise, half the country would be registered at Siriraj or Chulalongkhorn and their ilk, and for sure no one would be registered at a "community" (i.e. district level) hospital where almost everything has to then be referred up a level. Yet they are (and not happy about it). Indeed which hospital covers what location is often a factor in decisions about where to move.

Might be different for children under age 2, and never applies in an emergency, but otherwise AFAIK this is the rule.

Correct, which is why it's important for his wife to get on someone's blue book in KK asap.

However according to my Thai g/f no Thai will ever be refused medical treatment at any government hospital, for example they are visiting family in another Province.

However they will face a barrage of questions because they are registered elsewhere and will be charged

Children up to 2 years of age can attend any hospital and receive free care, which was Kenny's main concern.

It sounds as though his wife had her records sent from Chaiyaphum as in a referral to KK so she was treated under the scheme.

That's an assumption because Kenny didn't mention any charges.

That would be a one of situation but in the future his wife will either have to go back to Chaiyaphum for any treatment under the 30 baht scheme as that is her registered location, or pay at KK, or change her address to KK

It's a damn sight easier for a foreigner to move throughout Thailand, than it is for a Thai and I don't think Kenny yet appreciates the hoops his wife has to go through changing her details to a new province in order to get the services that she relies on. The problem is exasperated by the fact they now rent, so she has to rely on someone else in KK to allow her to use their address in order to complete her move to KK.

After just having a caesarean I don't think she is in much of a position to do anything at the moment.

Kenny's hands are tied to a certain extent because they are not legally married.

In hindsight these problems should have been foreseen and discussed before moving, but that's easier said than done.

At 8pm in an evening if you need cash for an emergency, your esaver account is worthless.

That's not correct. I can use my smartphone to log into Standard Chartered internet banking, transfer funds into the JustOne account, then go to any ATM and withdraw it. That can all be done within 5 minutes, and I've done it before for 25k THB withdrawn from a Bangkok Bank ATM.

otherwise your going back to Savannakhet to get a single entry Non Imm O to allow for the seasoning period.

I could instead apply for a 60-day extension of my current entry couldn't I, just to allow for the 2-month seasoning?

You can apply for the 60 day extension.

You will have to move the money into an accessible account which has a bank book. Both bank book and a letter from the bank will be required by immigration when you apply for the 12 month extension.

Not if he doesn't listen to the good advice he's receiving.

He'll be refused on his esaver statement, get a 60 day extension, then transfer the funds to his account with Passbook and ATM facility, but 60 days isn't 2 months, so he'll be back to Savannakhet for another Visa.

It's his first extension, let him find out the hard way and argue with Immigration.

Kenny I am trying to help you,

It probably is patronising because I'm looking at it from your wife's prospective and the problems she has.

All administarations are dealt with on a Province to Province basis, therefore when a Thai moves to a new Province they need to reregister all their personal documents to that effect in order to deal with local government offices. If they don't it will cause problems and countless trips back to their old Province.

For the short term your wife just wants to get her baby onto her Tabian Baan and comply with the law.

It appears she is willing to make this effort but it would cause you great inconvenience because of the 6 hour drive.

Jeez, she's been in labour for 9 months and had a Caesarean operation.

She has been relocated from a home she owned to a home she doesn't and will be aware of the things she needs to do in order to make her life easier to stay in KK. She is worried, concerned and you probably don't understand her aspirations.

If it were my g/f, I'd be getting her ID card, TB and babies birth certificate, getting up at 5am to go back to Chaiyaphum, pick up a relative and take them to the Amphur to register the baby on her TB. But that's me.

I've now probably said what others are thinking as well.

Why did you say your surprised my GF doesn't leave me in KK and go back too Chaiyaphum. Whats that about?

Your reluctance and complaint about a 6 hour drive to put your g/f's mind at ease.

If I were her I'd make my own arrangements and leave you behind in KK.

You'd be eating off the floor for a while as well as the dog.

A Thai can use any government hospital, but they need to register their details.

They don't need an address but do need their ID card. Living in one province but having an ID issued in another province may raise questions and delays, but not medical treatment. Most Thais are covered for medical under what's known as the 20 baht scheme. A government scheme to make hospital treatment affordable to all Thais.

The baby isn't old enough to have it's own ID card yet until aged 7.

It was born at KK hospital and they issued the birth certificate, so the babies information is registered there.

If you took the baby back to Chaiyaphum for example the local hospital will want details to register the baby.

In any event it will receive free medical treatment at any government hospital.

Having a TB and ID card registered within the same province you live, makes life a whole less complicated for Thais without running a gauntlet of questions and form filling. Long term your wife needs to get registered on someone's TB in KK, then change her ID card. She will know this anyway.

The neighbour is not a good idea, you have no mutual interests and your g/f is correct again.

The landlord would be a much better option because you have a mutual interest in the fact you rent his house.

Alternatively wait until she makes friends and can choose who to, or not to ask.

Until then be prepared to do some 6 hour trips if she has any official governments affairs she needs to attend to.

Thanks for all the "free advice" and ur opinions Faz but my question some posts ago was what happens if we don't register in 15 days and more importantly will the child be eligible for medical in the mean time.

I don't know which comment u suggest a reason my gf leaves me but you have presumed a lot.....as many often do here. I know my situation better than anyone as far as marriage, child's future welfare etc. If I was wondering what I should do there I would have asked. Please leave that to me. Do you know if a child under 15 is entitled to medical in every province irrespective of Tabian Ban. ...or not?

Your quote from opening thread;

My missus moved her medical from Chaiyaphum to KK. The baby was born in KK.

You answered your own question with regards to free medical for the baby in KK.

It's all about registration within provinces in Thailand to avoid delays.

A Thai can visit any government hospital but they have to register first.

You can attend any private hospital in Thailand, but you'll pay.

Children will never be refused medical care at any government hospital for free, usually up to the age of 2.

Adding the baby to the Mothers Tabian Baan is a separate issue not associated with healthcare but the registration of all Thais whereabouts.

You can be registered as living in BKK but live in CM, but it will cause problems.

Many Thais do go back and forth, for one reason or another.

We are foreigners, in a foreign Country and whether we agree or dislike the inconvenience some procedures may cause us compared to what we're used to, it's their way, their system and the Thais are very accustom to it.

It can be very frustrating for foreigners to understand.

The new pension is among a number of reforms to taxes, National Insurance allowances and savings coming into effect today to back hard work, support savers and ensure economic security at every stage of life.

Ossy, your having a larf.

What do you think we did for 35 + years.........played tiddly winks!

I suggested to the missus we ask the neighbour's to put baby on their TB and she said we'd have to stay in contact with them forever

Are you legally married or just the Village marriage?

Neither. I know legally it doesn't count for anything but I was surprised they used my last name on his birth certificate

Anyone can have their name included on a child's birth certificate, even your next door neighbour.

I'm surprised your g/f isn't already planning a move back to Chaiyaphum, with your last suggestion and leaving you in KK.

You are not legally married, therefore not a member of her family, that is why the Amphur refused.

You are not legally the baby's Father under Thai law and have no parental rights whatsoever.

I suggest when you register the baby at the Amphur, you also request being registered as the baby's 'legalised' Father.

Your wife will have to agree to this.

That then gives you parental rights and more choices down the line.

There are many topics covering why you should be legalised as the babies Father.

IMHO wait until your wife is fit enough to travel then go back to Chaiyaphum, to register the child, legalise yourself as the Father, and pay any fine they throw at you.

Long term if you plan to remain in KK you need to approach the landlord and seek his permission for your wife to obtain her own TB from the local Amphur, using his address.

You should therefore transfer funds of 400,000 baht into your just one account 3 months before you make the application to be on the safe side.

Yes I've realized that I could have done that but it's a bit late now as my permission to stay expires within 2 months from now. I also didn't want to miss out on the interest.

You can get just a single entry Non Imm O from Savannakhet giving 90 days which will allow the funds in you 'justone' account to mature.

Does your higher interest account reward you with enough funds to pay for the multiple journeys and Visas crossing a border.

You know the answer to that already.

Accounts which do not allow instant access to cash will not be accepted by immigration.

You must place the 400K in an accessible account.

You will need a bankbook + Bank letter to satisfy immigration.

What visa do you have now ?

The funds in the Standard Chartered eSaver account are accessible via internet. In Standard Chartered's internet banking portal I am able to do withdrawals directly from the eSaver account to any account (even to a third-party account at another bank). i.e. I don't need to transfer first to the JustOne account and then from JustOne to the third-party account. So funds in the eSaver account are directly accessible, but not via an ATM.

Funds can also be deposited directly into an eSaver account via internet banking from any other bank account, including from accounts at another bank. It's the same process as transferring funds to any ordinary bank account with an account number via internet banking.

I also once deposited a large amount of cash over-the-counter at a Standard Chartered bank branch straight into the eSaver account.

For over-the-counter withdrawals from the eSaver account, I've never needed to do it so I'm not sure if it's possible. Could that be a problem? It's easy enough to simply transfer some funds to the JustOne account over the internet and immediately afterward withdraw at any bank's ATM (and no fee is incurred).

So the funds in an eSaver account are not really locked away and are still quite accessible. It was for this reason that I decided to put my money in this account instead of a term deposit which may be less accessible.

What visa do you have now ?

I am on my final entry of a multiple-entry non-immigrant O visa based on marriage that I had obtained from Savannakhet. I am now hoping that I can get a 1-year extension of stay so that I don't have to leave the country every 90 days like I have been doing.

The funds in an esaver account are not instantly accessible and not acceptable to Immigration.

At 8pm in an evening if you need cash for an emergency, your esaver account is worthless.

If you are on the last entry of your Non Imm O, I hope you have 2 months left in order to do the transfer and season the funds required to your 'justone' account, otherwise your going back to Savannakhet to get a single entry Non Imm O to allow for the seasoning period.

The account must show minimum 400,000 baht for the entire 2 month period, averages are not accepted.

I suggested to the missus we ask the neighbour's to put baby on their TB and she said we'd have to stay in contact with them forever

Are you legally married or just the Village marriage?

If a Thai puts their name on someone elses Tabian Baan , does that person have to release you so you can move the name somewhere else ?

And what happens if the Tabian Baan owner , moves , disappears , dies ?????

It just seems you could get stuck being forced to go back to the Tabian Baan hometown to vote , hospital care and other services if you could not find the Tabian Baan owner or they refused to release you so you could move ......

or am I wrong ?

1. The other person would have to visit the Amphur with the other person because it would be their book that required the change.

However if the other Thai had their own book for the same address, then they could make the changes themselves.

2. If they remain at the same address, with the homeowners permission it isn't a problem.

Otherwise they would need to find someone else who would allow them to use their address to register.

3. The problem with the system is that it is based on home ownership.

A person owning the house can allow as many people as he wishes to use that address, either added to his blue book, or obtaining their own blue book with his permission.

The problems arise when a Thai rents, or moves to another province whether they neither own the property or have family or friends within that new province. Then they have to rely on the landlord or someone else who is a homeowner to allow them to use and register as living at their address. Being registered in a different Province to where you actually live can cause all sorts of problems.

Hence Thai families are usually found living within the same province, or they want to own their own homes.

I privately rent, my landlady lives in another province. She has 2 blue books, one for this house and one in another province for her other house.

However she can only be named in one of the books as her registered address otherwise she would be duplicated on the records.

As a foreigner and with her permission I obtained my own Tabian Baan, which she had to attend and sign for at the Amphur, but I am issued a Yellow book to denote a non Thai.

I will be moving shortly to live in my girlfriends home. (Same Amphur)

I will then have to surrender my current book and using my g/f's ID and TB and signature, obtain a new book detailing her address as my new address.

This is completed same day at the same office.

If she lived in another province, I would first have to surrender my book at the old Amphur to be removed from the register. They would give me a form which I take to the new Amphur (basically just informs them I have been removed from the register), then the new Amphur would issue me a new Yellow book with the new address within their district.

I assume your talking about an extension of stay based on marriage from a local Immigration office in Thailand, rather than a Non Imm O Visa which you can only obtain from a Thai Embassy/Consulate outside of Thailand.

Your esaver account wouldn't be acceptable to Immigration as it's not immediately accessible.

Your justone account is a savings account with passbook and an ATM card, which would be acceptable to Immigration.

You should therefore transfer funds of 400,000 baht into your just one account 3 months before you make the application to be on the safe side.

Updated passbook and letter from the bank as proof of funds deposited in a Thai bank,

Your passport is your ID card.

As for having a Tabian Baan, just one more reason why obtaining a TB makes life so much easier in Thailand.

You have transferred your bank account to KK I presume, otherwise your going to pay charges for withdrawing cash in another province.

Bloody annoying. Called the Amphur this morning hoping I could take the paperwork on behalf of my missus but no go. I'm sure if we spoke to the right person something could be done. Missus doesn't have any family here so the reallity for us is transport a newborn 3 hours and back in 40 degree heat and raving lunatics on the road...during Songkrahn. And we're lucky. Pity the poor buggers who don't have wheels and have to sit on a bus or in the back of a pick up.

Some of these people sitting in their offices should get out and try following some of their own stupid, pointless pen pushing rubber stamping rules. Anyone here ever ask why the Frk they do things a particular way? "Not want make proprem"

Whoever told you that was wrong. In many, many cases a family member goes to the Amphur to register the child, because the Mother needs rest after giving birth.

The pen pushing, rubber stamping is just the way the system works here, it's still a developing Country.

Even in your home Country there are procedures to follow when changes occur, but they can usually be completed by phone or e-mail.

Your wife herself doesn't have to be present.

You or someone on her behalf can take the Mothers Tabian Baan, ID card and birth certificate to the old Amphur to have the baby registered.

If the baby has your surname, then your ID will also be required.

Failing to register the child within the 15 days, technically means you've broken the law, but it's only punishable by a fine imposed by the Amphur.

It's usually less than a 1,000 baht for just a few days, however the longer you leave it the fine could be increased.

Recovery from a Caesarean section is usually 4-6 weeks.

As a law abiding citizen, your wife will be concerned and worried about breaking the law, she probably doesn't even know what the penalties are.

You could always get a letter from the hospital stating your wife isn't fit to travel for x weeks.

It won't avoid her paying a fine, but it sure as hell may put her mind at rest and stop her worrying so much.

I'd be willing to show you around and make a few contacts, but I'm going back to the UK 21/4 - 13/5.

Local Transport is the problem here. Know someone who may be able to rent you a bike and can recommend places to stay.

Apartment buildings usually have a shared internet. There are private apartments where you would need to install your own internet.

Houses for rent as well, 5,000 - 6,000 baht per month.

A man and his van would probably be the cheapest method of moving. Check for services in BKK.

Lots of motorcycle shops, spoilt for choice.

Roi Et has a large central lake and Park with a track around it for jogging.

There are government facilities providing gym and exercising facilities all around the lake and park area.

(Check google maps/ Roi Et/ zoom into the central lake and park then select street view for a look around.

Roi Et may be a small town but it has all amenities and facilities.

Parks, lake, moats, BigC, Makro, Tesco, Robinsons. 2 large shopping centres, a sports stadium (free activities) and 4 swimming pools to my knowledge.

If your seriously considering moving here I'd suggest you take a long weekend out, to view and find an apartment/house.

When you register in a blue book, they don't give you a new book, they simply add the name in the existing one for the address you want to register at.

If you are on someones tambian ban, and they sell the house, you don't have to surrender anything unless the owner let you hold on to their book. You also don't need to go get registered on a family members book. You could stay on that one if the new owners don't mind.

As far as immigration goes, the problem you might have if you live with a spouse who is registered somewhere else might be providing proof of address. You wouldn't be able to do that with their book.

You've been misinformed.

When you register in a blue book, they don't give you a new book, they simply add the name in the existing one for the address you want to register at.

That is entirely at the Thais choice. You can have as many people as you want registered in one book at the same address, or each person is entitled to have their own book.

If you are on someones tambian ban, and they sell the house, you don't have to surrender anything unless the owner let you hold on to their book. You also don't need to go get registered on a family members book. You could stay on that one if the new owners don't mind.

You don't have to hold onto anyone's book, or they yours. If the homeowner is agreeable each individual can have their own book.

You can have one address with multiple people registered at that address, but one person cannot register at multiple addresses.

As far as immigration goes, the problem you might have if you live with a spouse who is registered somewhere else might be providing proof of address. You wouldn't be able to do that with their book

That depends where Kenny wants to report to.

He can use his wife's blue book if he continues to use the local office for Chaiyaphum.

If he wants to use the Khon Kaen office he will have to use copies of the landlords ID card and Tabian Baan, although he should report his change of address first on a TM28.

Further down the line and where children are concerned it's important that the Mothers Tabian Baan has an address within the Province in which the children will attend school. It would make life easier all round for Kenny and his wife if she could therefore find someone in Khon Kaen who would allow her to use their address (if not the landlord). But for now she must return to Chaiyaphum.to register the child in her Tabian Baan.

Your wife is 100% correct.

Under Thai law a new born child must be registered on the Mothers Tabian Baan within 15 days.

She cannot change her address in her Blue book as you are renting and she would need the permission of the land owner in order to get a new book, with the new address in Khon Kaen. That process may take longer than 15 days and only if the landowner agrees.

She must therefore register the baby (now) in the Tabian Baan she possesses at the Amphur where the address is registered.

If the landowner refuses, and as and when the house is sold, her old book must be surrender, and both she and the baby will then have to be entered on a family members Blue book, as all Thais must register an address somewhere under the Civil Registration Act.

Alternatively, she could find someone who would allow her to use their Khon Kaen address. She would then need to surrender her existing Blue book to the old Amphur in Chaiyaphum who would deregister her from the register and issue a form which she then takes to the new Amphur in Khon Kaen, who will then register her new address and issue a new Blue book for that address.

You rarely cut and run in Thailand, everything is dealt with Province by Province and there are procedures Thais must follow when changing addresses to a different Provinces..

You can register at any government hospital and receive care for the same cost as a Thai.....nothing new.

Child has father's English surname! The Thai passport just avoids another set of visa issues! Been suggested that child goes to Laos on ID card..no passport required, "loses" ID card and permit and re-enters Thailand on UK passport. Bet that is illegal!! What would the Laos do with an illegal 16 year old farang immigrant?

Wouldn't work, same scenario.

How did she get into Lao, no entry stamp or Visa in UK passport.

Thai ID card, lost, send her to the nearest Thai Embassy in Lao to get an emergency document to re-enter Thailand.

Doesn't solve her Thai passport issue.