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I didn't apply anything the first day and I couldn't even touch it without excruciating pain.

As I said I was convinced I'd broken it.

It was only the evening of day 2 my g/f applied this lotion.

Day 3, I could walk on it and move it.

Day 4, wouldn't have known I'd dropped a block on it 3 days earlier.

It was swollen and just starting to go black and blue the day after.

By the morning after it was applied, the swelling and bruising had disappeared.

In my younger days I had plenty of knocks, bumps, lumps, scrapes, cuts and broken bones to judge the severity of this injury.

No medicine or medication I ever received before acted as fast as this potion did.

I'm still gobsmacked by it's healing powers.

Yup thanks khaoniaw, I'm pretty sure that's the case. I remember when she wanted to renew her I'd or something she had some problems with her tabien baan. She was on some friends or relatives I can't remember who exactly. Hmmm. Not sure what to do. I don't want to have to hang around for weeks while she tracks down the blue book. How long does it take for a Thai to get entered into someone's tabien baan? Is it a long or difficult process? I really want to get this divorce done asap and I do genuinely think my wife does too (I've agreed to give her some cash when it is done), so really need some good advice here guys...

She just goes to the Amphur office with anyone that has a Blue Book and is prepared to enter her on it.

I paid a neighbor 1,000bht to put my Misses and kid on her book, and 500bht every time we needed to borrow the book.

First person I asked said YES.

(Hint: the little old Thai ladies with houses always need a bit extra money)

PS

Faz is giving incorrect information, don't need the old book to be entered in a new book.

PS. Where did I state you needed an old book.

Reread what I said.

Thai or Foreigner can only be registered in one book.

If you want to register in another book, you must be removed from the other.

Please enlighten us MJ why your wife doesn't have her own TB.

This is not true anymore...

Wife did it with both little brother and mother...

Moved them from house book in outer province and add to her house book here in Bangkok

Nothing to do at the old location, all can be done at the province adding into new blue book

As others have said the people at Ampur advise no need to remove from old Tabian Baan anymore ... Now it is all computerized.

Well I'd say I stand corrected, but my last experience was only 3 weeks ago.

The Amphur here insisted on surrendering the old book to the old Amphur and getting a receipt as such before they would issue a new book.

There was another topic recently where someone else reported the same experience as myself.

However I appreciate this is Thailand and anything is possible.

I'm not arguing.

Obviously the boss at our Amphur has his facts wrong then.

Strange because the law definitely states, one registration, one book per person.

Guess the law is wrong as well.

So is my g/f for that matter!

She'll be annoyed when I tell her she went 50km back to her old Amphur to be taken of the register, just so she could be issued a new book at this Amphur (allowing her kids to go to local schools).

2. My misses had two farm properties in rural hell, we don't live in either. But want to use the services of Chiang Mai hospitals and schools for her and our kids. So we needed them all registered in a local house book. I also wanted my boy registered in a local house, when he was born, so he could own land (no chanote) assigned by the village head man which (strictly in the legal sense) can only be owned by those born and first registered in the district.

I can understand that, but why didn't your misses just get her own TB in CM.

Why be put on a neighbours book?

A Tabian Baan is an address registration, not proof of ownership.

Or are you saying for an unknown reason she kept her old book at the old address, and was put on another book, therefore being registered twice.

That doesn't make sense as we already agreed the database will show previous registrations.

happylarry, please reread what I said.

At no time did I disagree with your report.

I totally agree that they can also trace your details on the national files, but...........that particular Amphur can only transfer your name to another book, if you were registered within the same Amphur in the first place.

What they cannot, or will not do, is amend the records if you registered at a different Amphur in the first place.

My Thai g/f had to surrender her old TB at her old Amphur and be removed from their register when she moved to another area, in order to get a new book from the new Amphur. I encountered the same experience helping two other foreigners.

It's not the name transfer, it's the change of address within a different Amphur that dictates how you proceed.

Thais should also get a new ID card showing the same address as their TB, to avoid issues at other government offices, just in the same way a foreigner should notify Immigration of a change in address and get a new DL to match.

Only know of one over stayer.

He isn't even sure what year he arrived here on a Tourist Visa, but it was some 30 years ago.

In his early 60's now. Never worked, no money, passport expired years ago, won't get a Pension from his home Country either.

He survives on the little income his wife makes and a little that his elderly parents send him.

He doesn't have any options to choose.

Life as usual unless he's caught or dies.

In those 30 years he's been a house hermit, rarely steps outside the front door, what a miserable existence.

Yup thanks khaoniaw, I'm pretty sure that's the case. I remember when she wanted to renew her I'd or something she had some problems with her tabien baan. She was on some friends or relatives I can't remember who exactly. Hmmm. Not sure what to do. I don't want to have to hang around for weeks while she tracks down the blue book. How long does it take for a Thai to get entered into someone's tabien baan? Is it a long or difficult process? I really want to get this divorce done asap and I do genuinely think my wife does too (I've agreed to give her some cash when it is done), so really need some good advice here guys...

She just goes to the Amphur office with anyone that has a Blue Book and is prepared to enter her on it.

I paid a neighbor 1,000bht to put my Misses and kid on her book, and 500bht every time we needed to borrow the book.

First person I asked said YES.

(Hint: the little old Thai ladies with houses always need a bit extra money)

PS

Faz is giving incorrect information, don't need the old book to be entered in a new book.

PS. Where did I state you needed an old book.

Reread what I said.

Thai or Foreigner can only be registered in one book.

If you want to register in another book, you must be removed from the other.

Please enlighten us MJ why your wife doesn't have her own TB.

The easiest thing to do in this situation is for the wife to find a friend who has a blue book then go to the amphur with the friend and get put onto that blue book. All she needs is her id card and obviously the friend to sign for her and its done. You could then do the divorce straight after at the same place.

HL

Agree. Just get her added to a friend's book. Takes very little time. Right after that she can get a new ID card. Right after that you can get your divorce.

Sorry to disappoint, but you cannot be added to further Tabian Baans.

@markinth. You wife will be named on a TB, whether it be a friend or relatives.

In the event that she has forgotten, or doesn't know where the person is, she only has to give her name to her local Amphur office and they can trace the TB and print her a copy from the register. Every Thai is registered somewhere, but they can only be registered at one address.

She doesn't need a Tabian Baan to get divorced, just her ID card. Her address is immaterial.

You do have to divorce at the same Amphur you got married, so they will have records.

Faz is quite correct when he says the wife will be on a TB somewhere and he is also correct when he says that she can get a copy from any amphur, this being down to the wonders of the computer age, also she does not necessarily have to show a copy to get a divorce (but as with the immigration service this is down to the interpretation of the officer at the time, so some may want it).

She can go to any amphur with another TB holder and they will transfer her name, and guess what, due to the computer system her name will magically disappear from the original TB so that she isn't listed on two at the same time.

You can get divorced at any amphur as once again that same computer system can access the original marriage records.

HL

happylarry, it's only possible to transfer the name onto another TB if she was originally registered at that same Amphur.

If it was another Amphur, she must first have her name removed from their register before she can be included on another TB at another Amphur.

I know this for a fact as I've just helped a couple of expats moving into the local area get a TB from our local Amphur.

They first had to return their original TB to the issuing Amphur, who removed them from their register and issued a document confirming such.

The new local Amphur would only register them and issue new TB's on production of that document.

On the other hand they issued one of the wives a new TB on the proviso that she later returned her old TB to the old Amphur and had her name removed from their register. Guess they trusted her!

All Thais can only be registered on one TB. It's all part of the Civil Registration Act, which acts like an ongoing Census record.

They can own as many properties as they want, and hold a Blue Tabian Baan for each property, but their name can only appear in one book.

Children are added to TB's almost immediately after birth, and issued an ID number, but they cannot hold an ID card until 7 years old.

I did it once when my daughter was 7 years old. We (me and Thai girlfriend) went to the Amphur with my daughter. If I remember correctly, the only document we have was the child's birth certificate and of course my passport. They ask my daughter some questions to confirm that I'm really the father and living together with them. We then signed a document (mother, father, daughter) and 2 witnesses (my GF's sisters) having me as the guardian and staying that I'm supporting financially my daughter. They then issued a certificate (yellow color) which changes my daughter's surname to mine. The fee was very minimal at that time not over 1,000 baht. Yes, it was quite easy process and took us 2-3 hours at most in the Amphur office. Now my daughter is 15 years old having a Thai passport with my surname. She was issued a 10-year USA visa too and we use all this documents as evidence in the visa application. We already travelled so many times abroad (including USA) and back without any issues at all. I hope this info helps.

Hi THJOSH,

Are you down on the birth certificate as the father and if so, did you sign that birth certificate to legitimize your parental rights? Just curious.

FYI you can apply for a US passport that would prevent you from having to mess about with all the visa issues for most other countries. It would probably cost less than what a visa costs as my sons UK passport did. However, you may not want a US passport for your daughter for your own reasons. I do know that if you earn a salary in a foreign country as a US citizen, you have to pay tax not just in the foreign country, but also to the authorities in the US which i find criminal and hard to get my head around.

Thanks for sharing your experience

Signing a birth certificate does not legitimise parenthood or provide parental rights

So what does?

In most Western countries, the Mother and Father of the child get equal rights and obligations. Under Thai Law, this isn't the case. According to section 1546 of CCCT, when a child is born and the mother is NOT married to the father, the father has no LEGAL RIGHTS over the child. Only the mother has rights (and obligations) over the child.

A person could be named on the birth certificate as the father, but his rights are NOT legalized under Thai law. Even with a DNA test, he could be the father on the birth certificate and be the biological father, but he won't be the LEGALIZED FATHER.

There are 3 exceptions mentioned in article 1547:

1. If there is a subsequent marriage between the parents

2. If there is a registration made at the amphur

3. If there is a judgment by the Court.

Exception one is easily understood.

Exception Two is more complex: Both parents must consent that the Father is the legitimate Father and the local authorities (Amphur or Khet in Bangkok) will normally require the child to be old enough to understand and accept this situation.

In Thailand, each registration office is different and they often do not apply the same rules. However, they will normally legalize the Father ONLY when the child is over 7 years-old, able to sign his name, able to consent, and all parties will have to give their consent to the local registration office.

If the child is younger and there is an attempt to register the Father's rights at the amphur, the applicant is often told to get a judgment from the Court before it will be possible to legalize the rights of a Father. After a Court decision is rendered and, if it is positive, becomes enforceable (after 30 days), it is then possible to use the judgment to legally register the parent’s rights at the amphur.

Exception Three: Re a judgment by the Court, see the section below called "action to legitimate a child under a Thai Court".

Read more: http://thailawonline.com/en/family/children/custody-of-a-child-thailand.html

As I said before, I don't believe you have any authority to change the child's surname as you have no rights over that child, unless you legitimise your status as the Father. Lets put it another way, you wouldn't be able to get an extension of stay at Immigration based on having a dependant Thai child, just because your named on the BC.

If you didn't register yourself with your child as the legitimate Father within the first 15 days of birth, then the only option is to get a Court Order, which I believe is a fairly straightforward procedure provided both you and the Mother are in agreement.

My Immigration office have advised that if your still pending after 7 days, you should in the first instance ring them as a reminder.

The system was also down for about 3 days last week.

@Steps

I'm fairly sure you have to be legalized as the legitimate Father.

Just having your name on his Birth Certificate doesn't cut it.

Why would anyone prefer to do a border run rather than pay the 1900baht for a further year extension based on retirement? Must be less convenient than popping over to Jomtien surely. Perhaps it is to avoid to 800,000 baht requirement. Or am I missing something.

Den

Some like to travel frequently, so they never spend more than 90 days at a time in Thailand anyway.

No hassle with documents, or local Immigration offices, come and go as they please for 12 months.

Its quite easy, you and your son and the mother just go to the local ampur office and they will do it for you.

A man will ask your son to point to his father, so long as he points to you then it'll be OK !

Your son will have to sign a bunch of forms, I did the same thing and my son got really bored being asked to sign so many forms.

Then you can change the name, your son can also get an I card with the new surname on it.

At what age does a Thai have to be to get their own ID card ? Thanks.

They must be 7 years old.

The easiest thing to do in this situation is for the wife to find a friend who has a blue book then go to the amphur with the friend and get put onto that blue book. All she needs is her id card and obviously the friend to sign for her and its done. You could then do the divorce straight after at the same place.

HL

Agree. Just get her added to a friend's book. Takes very little time. Right after that she can get a new ID card. Right after that you can get your divorce.

Sorry to disappoint, but you cannot be added to further Tabian Baans.

@markinth. You wife will be named on a TB, whether it be a friend or relatives.

In the event that she has forgotten, or doesn't know where the person is, she only has to give her name to her local Amphur office and they can trace the TB and print her a copy from the register. Every Thai is registered somewhere, but they can only be registered at one address.

She doesn't need a Tabian Baan to get divorced, just her ID card. Her address is immaterial.

You do have to divorce at the same Amphur you got married, so they will have records.

Faz , all that for a 90 day report ?

All that for the INITIAL, FIRST EVER 90-day report. As he said, once all that is 'in the system', one can either drop by personally with just the TM47 form and passport

Also depends on the immigration office. Chiang Mai requires all listed copies for every 90 day reporting either in person or via mail in.

The listing I gave was a first ever in person report as you stated.

(I omitted the last 90 day report slip because you haven't done one yet).

I'd be very surprised if they didn't ask for proof of address on your very first visit.

Always better to go prepared, rather than be disappointed and have to revisit.

As Tywais also states, different offices, different documents.

That's the beauty of online reporting.......no documents, the same for everyone across the board.

You should ask what's required at your local office for mail in, or in person reports when you introduce yourself first visit.

Amnat requires all the copies I listed, plus the last 90 day report slip, for mail in, or in person visits.

Most of the copies are taken from your passport anyway, so it's not a hardship.

I always carry the same copies on my person should I be stopped by the Police (which is frequent).

I also keep scanned copies of everything on my PC should I lose anything.

Your decision NE1, I'm just trying to give you some sound advice.

My belief is that the first 90 day report must be made in person thus ensuring entry to the local database. From then on the online system can be used

Thanks for your speedy reply. May I ask what documents I need? Thanks in advance for your time.

1. Completed Form TM47

2. Original Passport + Copy of Homepage showing given names / Passport number / Hologram or Photo etc, plus copies of;

- Current Visa

- Last Entry Stamp

3.TM6 Departure Card + Copy (Front and Back)

4. Proof of address, such as copies of landlords ID card, Tabian Baan and rental agreement (signed by landlord)

All copies should be signed.

Once your local Imm office set up a local file on their system using the above supplied details you should be able to do online reports.

Sorry for your predicament Simon.

One of my daughters chose the wrong road.

To be quite frank, until you can stop her mixing with the same group of friends, their influence will be far greater than yours.

Then and only then will you have a chance to make a difference.

Another common tablet they drink with coke are cold remedies that make you drowsy, appearing drunk and high.

Freely available over the counter even to children.

That snippet of information comes from my g/f visiting niece (school girl), who says it's common with certain groups.

Well the inevitable had to happen........whilst building an extension a concrete block just split in half, one half in the hand and the other half on my left foot...OUCH!

Of course I was wearing Thai Safety Boots......flip, flops.

Anyway the morning after I got out of bed and literally fell on the floor.

The pain was so excruciating, I was convinced I'd broken a toe (the one next to the big toe).

I had no option but to remain as a prisoner in my home all day, even a visit to the toilet or kitchen was unbelievable painful.

When the g/f came home in the evening I suggested I go to the hospital for an x-ray.

Instead she pulls out an unmarked bottle of Grannies home made potions and lotions made back in the village.

I insist that won't do any good, but just to appease her..............carefully, very, very, carefully.

She rubs it around the toe (which bloody well hurt).

Unbelievably next morning, not only could I stand I could walk on it.

I shower and she puts some more on.

Tonight I can flex my toe backwards and forwards without any discomfort.

Never again will I call a homemade lotion nonsense without trying it first.

I have no idea what's in it, but Grannie your a star!

If I can make a suggestion from personal experience, try to get her to wear the wedding ring on any finger bar the wedding finger. Something about gold rings on Thai girls' wedding finger, they seem to instantly put on at least 10 kilos

congrats,

Thaifelix

That's because as soon as their married they try to emulate their husbands.

It's when they start growing facial hairs you need to worry!

OP your asking 3 questions in one.

1. The marriage procedure.

2. Working in Thailand.

3. Visa types.

Maybe your topic should be moved to the General forum, rather than the Visa forum to allow broader answers to your questions.

There is no Marriage Visa!

You either have a Non Immigrant O (Multi entry) Visa issued by a Thai Embassy/Consulate based on being married to a Thai.

With that Visa you must leave and re-enter Thailand every 90 days.

OR

You have an extension of stay issued by a local Immigration office based on marriage to a Thai.

You must report every 90 days to a local Immigration office.

I'll be booking through Thai Airways.

If they want to put me on a Thai Smile flight then charge for anything above 23kg, there's going to be an argument!

To be honest I'm going back with literally empty bags.

I'll be returning fully loaded up to my International flight quota, which is 23kg for hold luggage.

I actually get 23kg hand luggage allowance, but I'm guessing 10kg will be enough.

I don't mind paying 55 baht per kg over a total of 30kg.

I especially want to bring back a few hand tools, including my Hitachi 18v 4amp Battery drill.

The batteries will be in my carry on bag.

Many thanks for your input.

Nok Air flight schedules do seems uncertain and unclear at the moment.

Safest option is Thai Airways to Khon Kaen.

30Kg Baggage allowance, no change of airport and even better I've had an offer to be picked up at KK.

Other option is to book Air Asia, Suv - Khon Kaen.

ThaiSmile (spin off of Thai Airways) operates that route.

10:40h also "tight". That would be another very optimistic connection.

13:00h is next.

DMK to ROI on Fr, May 13th: the Nok Air website (currently) shows NO midday flight on this date (only 6:10 and 18:40).

On other days the midday flight is 11:50.

Maybe related to their current trouble (lots of flights canceled).

Seems to point to Khon Kaen?

Bangkok (Don Mueang) - Roi Et Bangkok (Don Mueang) - Roi Et Roi Et - Bangkok (Don Mueang) Flight Departure Arrival Flight Departure Arrival DD9114 05:40 06:45 DD9115 07:15 08:15 DD9116 12:20 13:30 DD9117 14:00 15:10 DD9118 19:30 20:30 DD9119 21:00 21:55 Travelling periond: 25 October 2015 onwards

http://nokair.com/content/en/destinations/roi-et.aspx

Yeah, it's a funny one. The midday flight doesn't appear in their search facility, yet advertised on the homepage.

I know there is a midday flight because a local expats arrived back only last week on that flight.

How long before the scheduled flight time can you check in for a domestic flight?

Air Asia fly from Don Muang Faz, but the late afternoon flight to KK would be an easy make.

Air Asia's bus transfers tie in with the flight arrival, even if the flight is late:

http://www.airasia.com/ask/template.do;jsessionid=44E38B9507FFECB1CE611B678A537819.tomcat1?id=741&name=New+City+Transfer+Service+to+Charming+Destinations+in+Thailand!

Your correct, my error.

I meant to state Thai airways, but had just been looking at the Air Asia site as I wrote.

Land Friday 13th May (Yeah Friday 13th, I know!)

Going to Roi Et.

Only 5 flights a day from DM to RE, 2 early morning, 2 late evening.

1 midday flight 1220 but only operating Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat by Nokair.

If I can't get the 1220, next flight is about 1830, so a long wait after a long flight LHR - BKK.

Other option is to book Air Asia, Suv - Khon Kaen.

No change of airport.

I believe they have a shuttle van from KK to RE leaving the bus station every hour???