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42 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

...But who knows who is asking for this from the OP...

UK pension service. See here:

The general list of visa fees is on the website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, mfa.go.th

Thai embassies and consulates post their fees in local currency at irregular intervals when they feel that the change in the exchange rate makes it necessary. So that they don't have to adjust them daily, they build some buffer into the newly calculated fees.

The currently applicable rules are here:

Regulation For TM30 Reporting (June 2020)

8 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

 

1. The IO took care of any paperwork needed for this time and warned me that all future trips must be reported to them.

 

2. There was no fine. I am always polite and dress nicely, keeping my bare feet squarely on the floor, looking docilely forward while waiting for service - you know the drill.

 

FWIW, after all was done and dusted, I returned with a nice bin of "Shadow" chocolates for the office to show my gratitude.  I understand they could have made my life a little miserable over this and I think they recognized an honest mistake.

Understood.

@HappyExpat57

1. Have you made the new TM.30 notification of arrival as requested by your immigration office?

2. Did the immigration office issue a fine because you sumitted the TM.30 later than 24 hours after your arrival?

3. Do I understand correctly that you have decided to make a new TM.30 notification in future every time when you spend at least a night away from home and that therefore you now seek no further advice about possible other options?

34 minutes ago, Upnotover said:

The TM30 that applies to your stay at the time you apply for the extension.  Easy.

Correct.

1 hour ago, Caldera said:

 

No, and that's because foreigners can only use those automated gates to leave the country, not to enter.

I thought as much.

Could perhaps holders of a an eVisa, with its QR code, be made an exception, from a technical feasibility point of view?

On 1/28/2024 at 5:00 PM, AAArdvark said:

That particular sign only says that eVisas can be used at the automatic line

That sign must have been in the arrival hall. This topic is about departure via the automatic line without getting the re-entry permit invalidated and we already have a successful report about that.

21 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

I am looking for actual experience from someone who used the automated gates and then returned to Thailand.

There is this report by a member who left through the automatic gate and on his return with his valid re-entry permit used a manned immigration desk, without any problem.

Has there been any report yet from fom someone with a re-entry permit who both left and re-entered via the electronic gates?

In both cases, you can apply for a one-year extension of stay.

51 minutes ago, khunPer said:

A foreign owner cannot have a name in the Blue House Book for Thais.

A blue house registration book is issued for every new dwelling regardless of the nationality of the purchaser.

A foreigner with permanent residence is by law entered in a blue house registration book as residing there.

This aspect is off topic in this here topic and further posts on this, if any, need to be removed.

In my view, this is an absolutely nonsensical and useless form.

As DrJack54 has mentioned, we have gone off topic with this discussion which, if one wants to go into the academics of it, would really have to be done in Thai language and therefore in the Thai Language forum.

28 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

 

So are you saying it's incorrect?

30 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

 

So are you saying it's incorrect?

There are various English words to translate Thai words and it is not for me to say that one word is correct and the others are not. 

Taking the example of the "actual legal definition of the law in Section 38 of the Immigration Act of 1979", for which you kindly Quoted the source as https://herorealtor.com/simple-guide-to-tm30-thailand-immigration-requirements/, I called the quoted text an unusual translation because I have rarely seen "landholders" and have never seen "leaseholders" in connection with a definition of Section 38 of the Immigration Act.

Admittedly, the quoted text is merely the website owner's personal definition of the meaning of Section 38 and does not pretend to be a translation of the Thai text of that section, but it serves as an example of the confusion this can create when one considers that the Thai term for which "landlords" appears to have been used here is variously translated elsewhere as house-master, housemaster, householder, owner, lessor, and perhaps a few more things.

9 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Can't you people understand that you're being taken for idiots? Immigration know full well that your average Thai won't pay 500 Baht every time a farang stays at their accommodation and he doesn't report the fact? It's much easier for IO to scam farangs than to chase Thais for money. Wake up.

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There are different factors that make it difficult and confusing to understand the discussions about the requirement to make the notification of the arrival of a foreigner at a private dwelling, the so-called TM.30 notification.

1. There are many different English translations of the Immigration Act and rules and regulations on this subject with different English terms used for the Thai term that defines the person responsible for making the notification.
2. Different people involved in the discussions use different English terms for this person.
3. Sometimes, one participant in a discussion uses different terms for this responsible person in different topics and sometimes even in the same topic.

11 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

The actual legal definition of the law in Section 38 of the Immigration Act of 1979 is:

“Landlords and leaseholders that receive a non-immigrant resident on their premises, have a legal obligation to report that individual to Thai immigration; this report needs to be completed within a 24-hour period of the non-immigrant resident’s arrival.”     https://herorealtor.com/simple-guide-to-tm30-thailand-immigration-requirements/

That's an unusual translation of Section 38 of the Immigration that herorealtor.com uses. 

1 hour ago, nana kid said:

OK this brings up a question for my next report .  I went to CW for my last report and got a paper that said

next report due April 18, 2024.  I am taking a trip to Europe April 9-15 2024.

Will my 90 day report then be pushed back to  July 18 2024 ?

If you arrive in Thailand on 15 April 2024, your next 90-day notification will be due 89 days after 15 April. You can start submitting it as early as 15 days before the due date.

10 January 2024

20 minutes ago, eddyod said:

I have a Non-O with a multiple entry stamp. Would there be any problem crossing back into Thailand at Wang Kelian? I'm going to Penang and then on to Koh Lipe, so Wang Kelian looks like a good border crossing.

 

Thanks.

I see no reason why there should be any problem.

9 hours ago, bigt3116 said:

Immigration Act B.E. 2522 , Section 76 clearly outlines the fine for failure to do 90 day reporting (Section 37)

 

https://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/thai-immigration-act-temporary-stay-in-the-kingdom-sections-34-39/

 

 

https://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/thai-immigration-act-penalty-sections-61-84/

The web page to which the first link you have given leads correctly quotes the notification requirement stated in Section 37 of the Immigration Act.

The web page to which the second link you have given leads correctly quotes

a) Section 84, under which an immigration office can issue a fine for contravention of Section 37(5), and

b) Section 76, under which a judge can impose a penalty for contravention of Section 37(5) if the foreigner is arrested and prosecuted.

Neither of these two sections states that "If a foreigner who did not make the notification of staying over 90 days is arrested, he will be fined 5,000.- Baht"

9 hours ago, bigt3116 said:

 

Sorry, but what on earth are you on about? It is clearly stated on the immigration website. Do you think the webmaster at immigration just makes things up and publishes them ?...

 

Yes, it is clearly stated on the immigration website, and that statement is clearly wrong.

10 hours ago, Moonlover said:

 

Do I understand correctly that even though an application is rejected, the applicant, having complied with the requirements, cannot be penalized as he has not committed any transgression of the law?

For a start, there is no application for something to be granted or rejected. It is important to understand this.

There is a notification to be made by the foreigner to "the competent official at the Immigration Division" as prescribed by Section 37(5) of the Immigration Act. 

Quote

(5) Staying in the Kingdom longer than ninety days, an alien shall notify the
competent official at the Immigration Division, of his or her residence, in writing, without
delay, upon the completion of a ninety day period. This shall be repeated at every ninety
day interval. If there is an immigration office in the locality, the notification may be made to
the competent official of that immigration office.

It is tacitly understood that the notification must be made in the form required by the immigration office (IO) and the IO can either accept it – tacitly or explicitly – as correctly submitted or, if it is incorrectly or incompletely submitted, inform the foreigner accordingly.