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Can I just say this I have it on good authority from contacts in Thai Military police after their behind the radar investigation that the case went down this way.
Hannah was getting hassled in the AC bar by bar 'security' (who are connected to the run businesses on the Island). They tried to slip a 'roofie' or some such date rape drug in her drink. She was targeted from the moment she walked in. David intervened and escorted her back to their accommodation where they were followed by at least 4 local Thai known wannabe hard men . They were assaulted in the hostel I.e David was rendered unconscious ( this has also been told to Army by very scared staff) And both taken to the beach where David was left to drown and Hannah brutalised and savagely killed. The culprits went to 'higher authority' and money quickly changed hands locally then to Sura Thani and then Bangkok all before the crime scene was discovered and sealed. The fiasco as you know carried on from there. The 2 Myanmar lads will in all likelihood and I quote ' be found to have committed suicide in detention in the near future'. Too much money passed over to police in high authority for them to retract their story go figure. I was asked to leak to British press to put pressure on Thai justice system and after 4 emails I got no reply. Whether that was thru internet censorship I do not know. The Thai army cannot corroborate their investigation as they will be shut down by police on a higher level. Everyone local on Koh Tao knows the real culprits but are running scared. The solution maybe to but a 10 million baht price tag on their heads because these scum would sell out their own mother for twenty thousand. But that is the way it went as we all know. Bout time the Thai justice system manned up and sorted out these so called mafia hoodlums once and for all. God even the mafia had a code of honour. Well I await the death threats and mysterious accidents which may befall me in this land of ( false) smiles. But enough is enough there are many decent Thai people in this beautiful country but it is time to clean house the hard way and permanently. I hope one of you can at least get this out to some press somewhere as to me it seems the correct version of events. I'm sure the British police were only shown what they needed to. Enough is enough time for change Thailand
This scenario ticks ALL the boxes!!
1) The murder did not take place at where they were found V
2) The Burmese community on Koh Tao mentioned they were murdered at their guest house V
3) The bruises on Hannahs arm suggest she was carried to the beach V
4) The angles on which her legs were found suggest a cover up V
5) The wounds on Davis are clearly from these fish-hook weapons and it was very likely a lefthanded attacker. V
6) Sean said I know you wanted to save her! Did he see them leave together? Did he know what was going on? V
7) Date rape drugs were often used before in AC, what they call them? A roofie?? Sean, please explain how they work? V
8) David had water in his lungs. V
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10,11,12,13,..............100 VVVVVV
It ticks all the boxes! YES, very likely it went down like this and YES the RTP knows but the influence and the MONEY made the U-turn possible!
I am just waiting for another U-turn and when that one comes the whole thing will explode in their cover-up faces!
This case is SOOOOOOOOOOO filthy, it makes me puke!
Sean, don't bother, I know how "Roofies" work now...
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Can I just say this I have it on good authority from contacts in Thai Military police after their behind the radar investigation that the case went down this way.
Hannah was getting hassled in the AC bar by bar 'security' (who are connected to the run businesses on the Island). They tried to slip a 'roofie' or some such date rape drug in her drink. She was targeted from the moment she walked in. David intervened and escorted her back to their accommodation where they were followed by at least 4 local Thai known wannabe hard men . They were assaulted in the hostel I.e David was rendered unconscious ( this has also been told to Army by very scared staff) And both taken to the beach where David was left to drown and Hannah brutalised and savagely killed. The culprits went to 'higher authority' and money quickly changed hands locally then to Sura Thani and then Bangkok all before the crime scene was discovered and sealed. The fiasco as you know carried on from there. The 2 Myanmar lads will in all likelihood and I quote ' be found to have committed suicide in detention in the near future'. Too much money passed over to police in high authority for them to retract their story go figure. I was asked to leak to British press to put pressure on Thai justice system and after 4 emails I got no reply. Whether that was thru internet censorship I do not know. The Thai army cannot corroborate their investigation as they will be shut down by police on a higher level. Everyone local on Koh Tao knows the real culprits but are running scared. The solution maybe to but a 10 million baht price tag on their heads because these scum would sell out their own mother for twenty thousand. But that is the way it went as we all know. Bout time the Thai justice system manned up and sorted out these so called mafia hoodlums once and for all. God even the mafia had a code of honour. Well I await the death threats and mysterious accidents which may befall me in this land of ( false) smiles. But enough is enough there are many decent Thai people in this beautiful country but it is time to clean house the hard way and permanently. I hope one of you can at least get this out to some press somewhere as to me it seems the correct version of events. I'm sure the British police were only shown what they needed to. Enough is enough time for change Thailand
This scenario ticks ALL the boxes!!
1) The murder did not take place at where they were found V
2) The Burmese community on Koh Tao mentioned they were murdered at their guest house V
3) The bruises on Hannahs arm suggest she was carried to the beach V
4) The angles on which her legs were found suggest a cover up V
5) The wounds on Davis are clearly from these fish-hook weapons and it was very likely a lefthanded attacker. V
6) Sean said I know you wanted to save her! Did he see them leave together? Did he know what was going on? V
7) Date rape drugs were often used before in AC, what they call them? A roofie?? Sean, please explain how they work? V
8) David had water in his lungs. V
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10,11,12,13,..............100 VVVVVV
It ticks all the boxes! YES, very likely it went down like this and YES the RTP knows but the influence and the MONEY made the U-turn possible!
I am just waiting for another U-turn and when that one comes the whole thing will explode in their cover-up faces!
This case is SOOOOOOOOOOO filthy, it makes me puke!
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The British won't make any statement until the Thai courts make there move, hence the delay in court proceedings.
The British may well be in breach of International Law if they were to release their findings before a trial,
They the British will wait for the Thai authorities to commit to trial, wait for the verdict and act accordingly.
It's very true to say they can't affect the outcome of a Thai Trial.
But if they were to publish their report and it showed what they thought was a miscarriage of justice, the effect on Thailand's reputation would be catastrophic.
It would place the rulers of this country under intense investigation and speculation. Would the rulers of Thailand want that, and more importantly would they want their "activities" looked at in detail.
Very good post and totally agreed...... if the above is correct NOBODY will want this case to go to court.....that is why the 100% perfect investigation/case suddenly drops to 80% and has been sent back for a 5th time. The B2 WILL WALK and so it should be!
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I see that CSI has just received an email from Sean McAnna interesting if genuine saying that Nomsod was in Koh Tao on the night of the murders, also giving some insight into him.
No doubt the British police have already taken a statement from him
Sean's also active on his Google account https://plus.google.com/101768055405292405319/posts/ZeoTy8iBjv4
This running man was originally identified by the RTP as their main suspect and was taken into custody for a few days (not hours). We all know Sean is a fruitcake but he clearly identifies the runner. IMO he is right, the hair, the height everything, I said all along it was M who probably was in a rush organizing the escape speedboats! M was definitely involved IMHO and knows who the killers are (maybe he is one of them himself). It is a disgrace the B2 are still in custody!
"Another man, the younger brother of the former village headman, who is believed to be the man seen on a security camera near the crime scene, is still in custody."
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I see that CSI has just received an email from Sean McAnna interesting if genuine saying that Nomsod was in Koh Tao on the night of the murders, also giving some insight into him.
No doubt the British police have already taken a statement from him
Sean's also active on his Google account https://plus.google.com/101768055405292405319/posts/ZeoTy8iBjv4
This running man was originally identified by the RTP as their main suspect and was taken into custody for a few days (not hours). We all know Sean is a fruitcake but he clearly identifies the runner. IMO he is right, the hair, the height everything, I said all along it was M who probably was in a rush organizing the escape speedboats! M was definitely involved IMHO and knows who the killers are (maybe he is one of them himself). It is a disgrace the B2 are still in custody!
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"Official DNA test results have showed his son was not involved in the murders."
No it doesn't. It shows that he was not involved in any sexual misconduct.
It was never proofed, that he were not the user of the condom !
Maybee he were disturbed on his " rape with condom "
by the 2 myanmars - or some other guy,
so he " could not finish "" an explanation why " police say "
no DNA inside of the condom !!
I believe rapists in general do not use condoms, I believe the condom was deliberately planted there to make it look like David & Hannah were having sex before they were attacked. Since there was no DNA on the inside, one could conclude the condom was never used.
I also believe the position in which the body of Hannah was found confirms this cover up even further IMO. How can your legs be in that angle if you have just been killed? To orchestrate the sex story even more David was stripped naked (but they forgot one sock), so when David pulled off one sock he forget the second one? Yeah, sure! Didn't he have water in his lungs? The murder weapon on him was not the hoe, right? (No DNA). His wounds seem to confirm another weapon and it wasn't the wine bottle they never found the pancake translator brought into the charade.
The RTP also spoke about a third possible DNA, they also mentioned on the 23rd who they believed were the killers! You don't say something like that unless you are really sure. We all know what happened after that, a U-turn Shuffle, probably caused by the fact that suddenly it started to rain Thai Baht above Koh Tao that washed away the DNA samples previously collected, meaning all DNA evidence will now be discredited by Social Media users and nobody will ever believe anything anymore what the RTP will say about the KT murders.
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Without social network this case would have been buried. The DNA tests on the son of the Head man are totally irrelevant,for no other reason but the fact that the murder scene's DNA could have been doctored to fit the need for a conviction. There are only a few facts in this case that hold up,the rest is conjecture.The girl was drugged.The Thai's in the bar,including the owner were coming on to her,and David went to her rescue. The silence of the British police observers is defending,but we are told by the Thai PM that they are totally satisfied with the way the Thai police have conducted the investigationThe prosecutors have failed to charge to two Burmese boys,who have been offered further DNA test and to date have not accepted .The parents of the deceased have not brought charges yet. All possible witness's to the events leading up to the murder are back in the UK and would need to be called in the event of a trial.It must also be assumed that prior to leaving the UK for Thailand,the British police would have conducted interviews with the deceased friends and are therefore totally briefed as to events leading up to the murder.In short,this case has a lot more steam and needs to be kept alive by social media. Justice will eventually prevail.
Todays newspapers are reporting from the Prime Minister that "The British Police have returned to Scotland Yard" Is this a fact?
where are you getting the facts?
she was drugged?
David went to her rescue?
source?
These are rhetorical questions because you know full well there is no proof of these facts..............(maybe the drug issue will come out of the UK toxicology report). Other than that we don't know, do we? Having said that, we have seen CCTV coverage David was walking back ALONE in the direction of the guesthouse where he was staying. Not with Hannah! Bit strange no, if the B2 said they saw them walking along the beach together towards the crime scene, probably for having sex, so they followed them. Sex with one sock on! With a condom with nothing on the inside! Give us break, this is IMHO total crap!
I ALSO believe she was drugged OR had an argument with some nice Thai fellows who like the Farang chicks. Whatever happened, either walking back to her apartment or being unwillingly lured to the crime scene, she was attacked, and YES, I also believe David saw or must have heard something and paid with his life. Although he is a tall fellow, what can you to against 4 or 5 Thais with knife fishhook weapons (explains his wounds and NO DNA on the hoe from him).
The crime scene was made look like they were having sex on the beach, she was dragged to there, her legs placed in the position as they found her, he was stripped naked (they forgot one sock) & they dropped a condom. My source? Sorry, I don't have any! The culprits escaped in panic with speedboats in two groups in different directions. The police was VERY VERY VERY close in catching them but then came the U-turn on the B2 with matching DNA of which they were previously cleared. The B2 boys were sleeping without any injuries, nor blood traces at 5.00 am. Kinda fits yes?
C'mon people, this stinks to high heaven soooooooooo big, I am amazed the B2 are still in jail. What Nomsod role is, I am not sure but I think he knows more....
It's crazy! As crazy as the pancake translator saying the B2 hit David with a bottle of wine! My goodness............
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Why is everybody looking for CCTV footage of the 15th? Why not from the 12th? Things that maybe can be verified........
CCTV footage of the university on the 12th, did Nomsod have long hear covering his ear? If not, he was not the running man on Koh Tao, (I think that was uncle organizing the speedboat escapes for the gang).
CCTV footage of the BKK condo on the 12th, was the Timber Table there on the 12th? If not, the CCTV tapes from the 14th/15th are doctored. Why is nobody checking these easy verifiable things?
CCTV footage of the 14th shows a girl with glasses in the same elevator. Find her and asks if she remembers! Should be easy to find out who she is.
This DNA circus is what it is, a circus and will proof nothing, it is dead end. Go after the above! Also find out who own a speedboat called Little Duck!
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The way this is going I predict that this case will never be solved. The Burmese will probably walk free as well since there seems not enough evidence other than a cigarette butt. The case will be thrown out again and again, already happening. Personally I believe they are innocent anyway.
As time goes by Koh Tao will need a couple of years to recover, but in the end it will. In a few years from now sadly enough people won't even know who were Hannah & David. I think the killers will walk free, whoever it was, Nomsod or not, his gang buddies or not, life will go on on Koh Tao and it will be all be Same Same!
IMHO
Unless of course something similar happens again. The odds of that seem way better than remote, with the real killers still being on that island. IMHO.
Agreed, but if something similar happens again it will also be Same Same!
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The way this is going I predict that this case will never be solved. The Burmese will probably walk free as well since there seems not enough evidence other than a cigarette butt. The case will be thrown out again and again, already happening. Personally I believe they are innocent anyway.
As time goes by Koh Tao will need a couple of years to recover, but in the end it will. In a few years from now sadly enough people won't even know who were Hannah & David. I think the killers will walk free, whoever it was, Nomsod or not, his gang buddies or not, life will go on on Koh Tao and it will be all be Same Same!
IMHO
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CCTV footage of Nomsod in BKK on the [email protected] pm (check 3,44 minutes)
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- it seems unlikely he traveled by car to Chumpon on a Sunday afternoon if he needed to attend university on Monday morning. It just takes too long and if he came back on the night of the 15th, how? By car? Or by Plane? There must be CCTV footage somewhere. Same as above, think it will be impossible to hide this and again, they must assume this will emerge one day.
- The girl in the elevator MUST remember this encounter when she sees this footage? right? Don't you think so? And what about this Timber table? Should be relatively easy to proof where it was on the 13th? 12th? How long do they keep these tapes? Or do they work like a voice recorder in a plane? Can we see some tapes from the 13th, 12th where this table was?
Anyway, although many (including myself) believe he is involved will have a hard time to argue with all this......
Personally I think his phone record needs to checked as well, If he was not there, my guess is, he still knows who was involved.
If it turns out he was on the island, this whole tape must have been doctored, even if easy, what about other CCTV footage, airport lounges, airports, gas stations whatever? Passenger lists? You name it.........you can't hide this nowadays!
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He WAS on the island, he was caught on cctv shaking david's hand at 1.07 am.
Are you sure it was 1.07 am? Not 1.06 am? Or 1.08 am perhaps? The fact you are saying 1.07 am implicates you have seen CCTV footage confirming this? Please enlighten us all. Thank you!
BTW: I also believe he was there but your statement is indicating you know.
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Surely they couldn't be so stupid as to release more dodgy CCTV nonsense. Did nobody in team NOMSOD review the handy work before releasing it.
You can hardly see it, but it is there, they could have missed it......or?
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Have you ever been to a Thai hotel lobby which had several clocks, each labeled with a different big city? The clocks are all over the place, no two have the same minutes shown.The video is on YouTube and you can see there is about a second difference in the two CAMS. IMO a system has ONE time and as many cameras as you want, but two times? OK it is only a second and I am no expert, That is why I ask the question..........I just feel there can only be ONE time!
Thais are to scientific precision what whooping cranes are to nuclear fission.
They know all about ghosts though.
Correct but these are all cams hooked up to the same system and therefor should show exactly the same....unless?
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Have you ever been to a Thai hotel lobby which had several clocks, each labeled with a different big city? The clocks are all over the place, no two have the same minutes shown.The video is on YouTube and you can see there is about a second difference in the two CAMS. IMO a system has ONE time and as many cameras as you want, but two times? OK it is only a second and I am no expert, That is why I ask the question..........I just feel there can only be ONE time!
Thais are to scientific precision what whooping cranes are to nuclear fission.
They know all about ghosts though.
Correct but these are Cams all hooked up to the SAME system..........should be exactly same IMO
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The video is on YouTube and you can see there is about a second difference in the two CAMS. IMO a system has ONE time and as many cameras as you want, but two times? OK it is only a second and I am no expert, That is why I ask the question..........I just feel there can only be ONE time!
Do you have a source other than csila?I am very surprised nobody picked up on this one >>>
I am no expert but this is impossible or not? The system has only one time! Is this the proof the CCTV was doctored? Or is this normal?
Systems are different
I stand corrected on the csila mistake I made.
Again, I need some help here. You can have as many camera's & monitors as you like in a CCTV system, but the screen on your laptop/monitor should ALWAYS dispaly the EXACT same time. There can not be a difference on lets say 0.5 seconds which is CLEARLY the case here. IMO it would explain the doctoring but maybe I am wrong. Any experts on here?
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IF HE IS INNOCENT; THAN HE SHOULD NOT HAVE FLEEN THE ISLAND IN A HURRY;
AND HE SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED HIS dna ON THE BEGINNING;
And there is still the questionable Viodeo from the collage in the air ?
Some manipulaten were recorded ;
I am very surprised nobody picked up on this one >>>
I am no expert but this is impossible or not? The system has only one time! Is this the proof the CCTV was doctored? Or is this normal?
Do you have a source other than csila?
Systems are different
The video is on YouTube and you can see there is about a second difference in the two CAMS. IMO a system has ONE time and as many cameras as you want, but two times? OK it is only a second and I am no expert, That is why I ask the question..........I just feel there can only be ONE time!
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IF HE IS INNOCENT; THAN HE SHOULD NOT HAVE FLEEN THE ISLAND IN A HURRY;
AND HE SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED HIS dna ON THE BEGINNING;
And there is still the questionable Viodeo from the collage in the air ?
Some manipulaten were recorded ;
I am very surprised nobody picked up on this one >>>
I am no expert but this is impossible or not? The system has only one time! Is this the proof the CCTV was doctored? Or is this normal?
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Ehhh......this should be impossible right? The system has only one time....or?
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I may add that photoshop gets the job done as well changing date & time stamps, but apparently there is something called a watermark embedded in the original which can proof the authenticity of a tape.
On this note, what are we talking about, this TImber table must be somewhere right now, just ask the people who have it right now, since when they have it?
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It is easy to manipulate CCTV footage..........just Google it a bit or have a look at this in depth video to get an idea, it is a bit long but have a look at the 48 second mark for example, it is easy to make people and objects appear and disappear.
http://www.privacylover.com/tag/how-to-manipulate-cctv-footage/
I have the feeling we are watching a Columbo movie which is 5 minutes to 12, everybody knows who did it and Peter Falk (Scotland Yard) is setting up the traps! Of course this is no movie or theater rather people trying to getaway with murder....
I will be watching till the end!
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How do you know the British have the DNA from Hannah. I would have assumed the bodies were cleaned removing any traces of DNA before they were repatriated.
Yes, exactly, I have the same question, would they have cleaned the bodies and not leave a single trace? Is that possible? When were the bodies repatriated? Where were they kept? At what morgue? Could they have been contaminated before repatriation?
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I saw on Thai news the Headman and his son. My gf told me that the son was saying that he will give DNA tomorrow. Has anyone seen that and can confirm ?
If so I hope the UK police are there to see and monitor.
Apparently he is going to give a DNA test tomorrow. well well well. i really prey that the test and the forensic test is done under the close eye of the UK police, isn't that the reason they are there? to observe the RTP in action??
Does it matter? The observers can only observe and the test will come back negative (not in 24 hours time, but a bit longer). I bet it will not match because the original DNA has been tampered with IMO. Scotland Yard needs to get his DNA sample too for their own testing, they will not get this!
Still, this case is like a pressure cooker about to explode in their face!
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DNA results from Ko Tao village head’s son don't match traces on slain British tourists
in Thailand News
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Your post is spot on!!
Grauwulf, on 09 Nov 2014 - 17:42, said: