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Interesting news

"Most Americans continue to be deeply worried about the virus, and the poll found that 65%, including 9 in 10 registered Democrats and 5 in 10 registered Republicans, agreed that “if President Trump had taken coronavirus more seriously, he probably would not have been infected.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/biden-leads-by-10-points-as-majority-of-americans-say-trump-could-have-avoided-coronavirus-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN26P0DB

4 hours ago, Cod Face said:

You may think that "it's as simple as that" but it's not.

 

How do you know that any of those terminal cancer-sufferers would have lived longer?  When a cancer-sufferer dies as a result of having cancer, the cause of death is cancer regardless of whether they had contracted Covid-19 and for anyone to claim that Covid killed them when it didn't is just daft, or corrupt.   If a terminal cancer patient contracted syphilis before his death would you then be ok with claiming, wrongly, that the cause of death was syphilis?

There is a very easy way to assess it: the number of excess deaths.

Quote from the linked article:

"Besides visualizing excess mortality as a percentage difference, we can also look at the raw death counts as shown here in this chart. The raw death counts help give us a rough sense of scale: for example, the US suffered some 260,000 more deaths than the five-year average between 1 March and 16 August, compared to 169,000 confirmed COVID-19 deaths during that period."

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

What does it show?

- There are excess deaths. More people died than expected, and there is no other reason than covid-19 to explain it (I.e. no particular increase of regular flu deaths during this period)

- the number of official covid-19 deaths is well below the number of excess deaths. It shows it is likely that the number of covid-19 deaths has been underestimated.

I surely don't wish him to die. I want to see him facing a humiliating defeat.

5 minutes ago, donnacha said:

The official advice has been in flux, at times knowingly misleading (initially advising the public against masks despite knowing they helped), and aspects of the current advice has been legitimately disputed.

The president's power is largely illusory. The main story here is that the apparatus of state, which spent billions preparing for an event such as this, would have utterly failed regardless of who was supposedly in charge.
 

 

Yes. All elected officials must be elected. What is your point?

 

Trump got infected now, and there is a agreement between health authorities worldwide about rules (laws) and advices to follow.

You talked about "duties", "job". That's different from campaigning for one's own interest or one's party interest. Ok, I know that for Trump, the distinction is not so obvious.

3 minutes ago, donnacha said:

Well, you predicted wrong. Nowhere in the post you quote did I say he was brave.

My point was that, like him or not, he is a public servant who got infected in the course of his duties. As such, your jubilation is rather inappropriate.

 

Ok. However he could have fulfilled his duty while respecting the rules and advices from the CDC, instead of weakening the country by contributing to infect not only himself but also likely other WH members.

BTW, as for his "duties", it was mainly about campaigning for the elections.

2 hours ago, donnacha said:

When most guys his age are safely sheltering at home, his job demands that he constantly travel and mix with a large number of people every day.

His role is partly symbolic and important to the morale of the nation, so, he does not have the option to hide in a basement.

Whatever you may think of him personally, he and his wife caught this virus while doing the job that America asked them to do. They deserve better than the nasty, politically-driven narrative that Trump is personally responsible for the pandemic and that the Democrats would somehow have handled things better.

 

Bingo! I predicted in another thread that Trump supporters will soon try to picture Trump's stupidity as bravery!

Trump enjoyed the same fate as other leaders who believed they were smarter, I.e. BoJo, Bolsanero.

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

And throw in Don and Melania testing positive for Covid. Wow. Talk about egg in the face. After all the dismissal of it being a little flu, nothing to worry about, etc. Let us see how the cheeseburger king is able to fight this one off. How many in the White House already have it? At a minimum, it derails his campaign, and makes him look incredibly dumb. Better to just forfeit now. 

Actually, I am surprised  we don't experience a wave of posts explaining that Trump has been a courageous man, put his health at risk only for the good of the country, etc... It's likely that instructions have not been given yet. ????

56 minutes ago, wabothai said:

 

No need for further debates. 45 has no idea how to debate and again, as usual, lowers himself making nasty insults.

Don't blame the vice preident to tell 45 to shut up.

I am looking forward though to the debate between Harris and Pence.

There may not be another Trump-Biden debate. They will impose rules such as "don't interrupt your opponent", etc... (as in any normal debate). Trump will either refuse such a debate, or walk out after being cut, claiming he is censored by the deep state or whatever B.S.

38 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Daily Mail, Sept. 30, 2020 - Trump designates Antifa a 'terrorist organization' after blaming members for violent protests across America following death of George Floyd

'The United States of America will be designating ANTIFA as a Terrorist Organization,' the president tweeted. 

Wow! Trump tweeted it it so it must be true! ????????????

When will you understand that Trump is usually talking BS?

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/trump-cant-designate-antifa-or-any-movement-domestic-terrorist-organization/

6 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Yes, the article makes certain to include the "official" line so that any voices claiming otherwise can be swiftly discredited and debunked.  Of course it makes no mention of the fact that Antifa has been designated a terrorist group.

 

It also makes certain to hit home with great repetition the "fact" that the greatest threat comes from white supremacists.

 

 

 

 

 

At least they have changed their language about mail in voting fraud.  Before they would dismiss it as "without any evidence" and it's been changed to "extremely rare."  Probably due to the fact that incontrovertible evidence, now unable to deny or ignore, continues to be produced (such as the mail in voter fraud via ballot harvesting recently uncovered in Ilhan Omar's district).

 

Kudos to the "journalists" as they have most every base covered on this topic to gently guide your thinking if/when mayhem breaks out after the election.

Oh the nasty biased journalists! ????

Actually, they seem to be quite fact-oriented: right-wing extremists have always been the main threat,

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

No...try to follow the logic. The records may be fake but you engaged in a conspiracy to obtain them and believed them to be genuine when you accepted them. The crime of obtaining them isn't absolved if they later turn out to be fake.

Complete B.S.! Who will file a suit? 

The WH or the IRS can only file a suit if a real document has been leaked. That's why Trump's lawyer has done nothing. Filing a suit means acknowledging that the document is not fake.

46 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You are always very quick to denigrate the 'masses' with your self-imposed superiority whilst failing to understand most of the posters on here (myself included) absolutely understand 'basic tax or business knowledge'. 

Trumps tax liabilities can of course be offset with losses (just proving what we all know which is he can't run a profitable business) but his personal income is still subject to federal income tax so paying only $750 in 2017 and 2018 means his personal wealth is no where near what he claims OR there is tax avoidance/fraud to a massive scale. There is a dispute over a house he has claimed as business (when it's a family home) and paying his daughter 'consultancy fees' whilst also employing her. There's also things like the ridiculous $70,000 ($5,833 per month $1,346 per week) for hairdressing as well as many, many other matters that are highly questionable.

The revelations may show no illegal activities but if there is none then it just shows he is nowhere near the success he makes out to be and if your whole brand is built on being the great businessman who can save the USA, this could be more damaging than any nefarious activities.      

Moreover, by looking at his haircut, it is obvious that his hairdresser is crook! ????