richard_smith237

Take a guess at the obvious and don't give me "it's not the dog it's the owner" routine. Specifically banned because they are Pit Bull Listed below are the countries with either a full or partial Pitbull ban in force.... the reasons for the ban are obvious to everyone except those stupidly blinded by sentiment. However, the policy makers of all these countries must be wrong because PJ71 has a Pitbull which hasn’t attacked anyone so he’s an expert !!! Singapore Netherlands Poland France Germany Puerto Rico New Zealand Italy Australia Ecuador Denmark Venezuela Argentina Austria (some regions) Bavaria Belarus Belgium (some regions) Bermuda Brazil (some regions) China (some regions) Canada (some regions) Finland Guyana Ireland Israel Japan (some regions) Latvia Liechtenstein Malaysia Malta Norway Portugal Romania Russia Spain Switzerland Turkey Ukraine United Arab Emirates (UEA) United Kingdom

Before covid there were numerous threads, all exampling horrific experiences upon arrival in Thailand due to huge Immigration queues... nothing has changed, you’ve been lucky thats all. This issue of queues at Immigration is solvable, it always has been solvable. The decision makers don’t care, they just get upset when publicly criticised. I also agree that the queues in the UK are also terrible... security queues mainly. Ultimately, any of these queues inconveniencing passengers and making travelling a misery are awful and need to be dealt with..... whichever country.

Limited to a couple of dogs then. Does your limited experience of a couple of dogs make you an expert on the breed in general ? The damming stats are wrong because your couple of ‘pitties’ were nice ? Because you are irrationally blinded by sentiment. Whatever you think…. I’m this issueT the news, the stats, dangerous dogs lists, government bans etc all point to one thing…. You are full of <deleted>…. You want to believe the dogs are harmless because you love your pets…. Foolish sentiment!!!

You have a 12 month grace period to renew your licence. i.e. if you have a 5 year licence you can get a new 5 year licence within 12 months of expiry. After 12 months you would have to go through the process again, which is the same as the conventional renewal anyway (i.e. need same documents and do the indoor tests)... but you’d only get a 2 year licence.

You think you are an expert and statistics from around the world are wrong because you own a Pitbull ??? You think the governments who ban these dogs were advised by people who do not know about these dogs while you do ? You think those other governments who place these dogs on dangerous dogs lists were advised by people who do not know about these dogs while you do ? I do not pretend to be an expert about these dogs, but after reading your responses I’m certainly now expert enough to recognise someone blinded by sentiment... Your Pitbulls (and those owned by responsible others) maybe lovely dogs, but they are still extremely powerful animals with an incredibly tarnished reputation for being dangerous which is backed up fully by statistics.

Agreed... the ‘lines are imperfect’ just presenting the general idea of the type of road on which the incident occurred.

From a Thai bureaucracy perspective, getting a Thai DL is one of the easier things to do... 1) Letter of Address 2) Passport Copy 3) Medical Cert 4) Home country licence (no need for IDP if in English) Turn up in the morning..... do the indoor tests.... The only thing an agent does is guide you through a simple process and perhaps cut down some queueing time.

I guess all the promises of patrols last month were all rubbish... Well, ok, we KNOW these announcements are always just hot air... one photo Op for face, then back to the standard modus operandi of sitting around doing nothing...

My interest in this thread is understanding why those who believe these dogs which are banned in some countries and listed on the dangerous dogs lists of many others are considered by these posters to be universally safe or harmless. It is the mindset of these people which actually interests me... How people like yourself can present such fundamentally flawed arguments and justifications for anyone to own these dogs.

Bangkok Airways offers a 30% discount to residents of Samui (on Samui flights). I recall being told it was 50% by a friend who lives there - that may have changed in the last few years. https://flyerbonus.bangkokair.com/flyerbonus/type-of-membership/414/samui-resident-card

This is the road where the incident occurred: - Blue arrow indicates the path of the truck turning across the road in front of the motorcyclist. - Red arrow indicates the ‘avoiding’ path the motorcyclist took (riding as speed unable to slow in time, obviously a moment of extreme bad-luck to hit that lamppost). Speed limit is 60kmh (according to a sign further down the road on google maps). IMO - 60kmh is too fast for that type of road with all the frontages etc.

I had some Paad-Gapraw from a restaurant called Phed Mark (Opposite Ekammai on Sukhumvit). Phed Mark would be a play on the name of the owner who I assume is a guy called Mark who likes spicy food !!!... Flippin ek... he wasn’t lying !!!....

Your post perhaps highlights why licensing is so important when owning these dogs. Proving above average IQ clearly needs to be a primary facet of the licensing process. You are comparing a child to an animal which has specifically been bred to bite large animals around the face and head. Regarding that utterly dumb strawman comparison, perhaps look up some Parental liability laws which vary from country to country and with age.

He was riding quickly. The truck slowly turned right across the road cutting off the rider. Speed clearly a factor in not being able to stop as the truck turned across his path, so yep, riding recklessly. The truck driver also at fault in causing the accident by not looking properly before turning.

Only if you have the ‘hansum’ card… Seriously though…. Communication is an amazing thing…. …. Is Samui down south ? Bkk airways resident discount…

My guess (and its only a guess) is that there has always been a ‘financial power struggle’... Do Immigration get additional money from AOT for their ‘airport services’ ?? Are they playing a game of silly buggers vying for more money to pay more officers to man more desks ???? Just a thought...

This is why IMO that media coverage of massive acts of violence should be minimised due to the ‘contagion effect’... ... in this case the temporal spread of behaviour manifests its self as nut cases are exposed to the idea of attacking schools. This ‘generalised imitation’ clearly comes from the previous tragic events so widely reported up on in graphic detail.

Well... it turns out many people were right... Both about the truck and the biker.... The Australian clearly was going quickly (speeding). The Truck turned across his path. RIP.mov https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/road-deaths/aussie-surf-star-dies-in-pattaya-motorcycle-crash?fbclid=IwAR3UGFiGGq9YwGhKOzRVyfVgnrvSaChIp_atlX4LiZySm4DvoGwhhYlHasw

Erm... unfortunate add placement ?...

A solution other countries use to mitigate against the limited ‘man-power’ issue... Thai’s use E-Gates... - Thai ID card. Approved Foreigners use E-gates... - Foreigners on long term Visa’s i.e. Any Non-Imm and S.E. / P.E. Visas Thai Elite. - Work Permit Holders - Permanent Residence holders Issue all of the above (foreigners) with a ‘residence’ card that can be used at E-gates. That ’should’ get rid of the issue of not enough Immigration officers to man desks at busy periods. It doesn’t ’solve’ the problem - but it certainly reduces it.

Its not unfair to criticise the excessive queues at Immigration in any airport. Its not unfair to criticism the excessive queue at Immigration in Thailand either, long queues were a major issue before Covid-19, it appears that there have been no improvements made. I’ve passed through Immigration 6 times already this year... on not one occasions was I processed in less than 3-4 mins ?... so 45 second is simply and outright lie. Previous this year the queues were not bad because of far less travel (due to Covid), now travel is back to normal Thailand needs to sort their act out and fill ALL immigration counters. While I’m ‘criticism’ the same needs to happen with the UK airport security which is an utter s#!t show running by jobsworths... Last time I went through security in the UK (summer) - It was easily going to take longer than 3 hours - I gave up on catching my flight, spoke to an ‘official’ who just told me to continue waiting in line... my flight was eventually called and we were whisked through... ... the issue there (UK) is that so many people are trying to travel cheap and not pay for baggage so are carrying everything on to the flight !!!... the whole cheap flights no bags thing has caused chaos.... In Thailand - its an Immigration scheduling issue - they know the flights, but don’t always schedule well which is a fundamental basic.. but, TiT !!!

More than that IMO... It takes a whole cultural shift... and that takes generations. So many issues are just ignored, the ‘can kicked down the road’.... The attitudes towards road safety were atrocious when I came here 25 years ago... Is the same with so many issues here... soi dogs, all types of safety (electrical, water, road etc). Had serious attempts been made to deal with these issues we would not be facing them to the extent we do to today..... When referring to those in positions of power to impact change and improvement yesterdays generation did nothing to protect todays generation today, todays generation today are doing nothing to protect tomorrows generation tomorrow.... It must be said, this is a lovely country and the criticism of ‘some’ aspects do not mean myself, or others with similar opinions want to ‘hate on Thailand’ or are ‘Thai-bashers’... we love this country which is why we feel emotion when reading such news and seeing Thailand repeatedly fail on these important issues.

One additional point of this issue not discussed is the frequency at which these ‘poles’ are impacted by motorcyclists (motorcyclist and cars, vans, trucks etc).... Part the road safety facet is the ‘physical safety’ of the roads themselves... On Thailands roads the road design itself lends to the increased incidence of accidents. ... things such as tightening curves on fast roads, blind junctions, poor signage, late signage, confusing and non-logical road layout etc... but also there are a lot of ‘obstacles’ positioned on or very close to the edge of roads... ... consider all these power poles right int he edge of the road rather than set back...all these street signs in the central reservation, signs and posts which have no protective armco barriers around them... Trees lining the edge of the roads without armco barriers etc... It seems much of the road design is haphazard without the concept of ‘moving vehicles’... The best example of this is the Police Check-points on a fast road. How many times have we crested the brow of a hill or rounded a corner on a fast road to see ‘stopped queueing traffic’ ahead of us.... positioned stupidly with no consideration for traffic safety, but for consideration of the officers so they are closer to their little hut, sub-station or convenience store. And this highlights the mindset - there really is no concept of ‘bigger picture'

Of course it will... but not on its own.. Education, enforcement, legislation, fines, improving safety of roads themselves, accountability of businesses, social responsibility... ... it all starts with education and understanding and acceptance of what is required.

Reckless stupidity.... The only responsible answer from an owner of any dog, particularly dogs considered power and dangerous is something along the lines of.... “Owning a powerful dog with a reputation for being dangerous comes with additional responsibility and requires additional measures to ensure the dog is secure and innocent others are safe at all times.... those who can’t meet these measures should not own these types of dog’....