richard_smith237

I never experienced such a thing. You're a fool... You have complained about Thailand's power grid... you draw parallels of comparison with "the great USA".... I've provided factual proof of studies carried out by a reputable establishment - Cornell University... that the USA suffers over 50,000 (county level) outages per day - which immediately distinguishes the rubbish you are attempting to flame Thailand with... You dismissed factual information with a passive comment "I never experienced such a thing" because it disproves your agenda... ... and to think in other threads you've bleated on about your intelligence, when I've yet to see anything other that mediocrity and this thread proves just that. Another perfect example of why I usually skip over your threads.

The quake in Bangkok was significantly amplified by the subsurface geology. The geology of Chiang Mai and most other area's of Thailand is significantly different, older, harder, the energy dissipated - the localised magnitude of the quake in Chiang Mai was significantly less than Bangkok.

When you build a house of cards, any vibration will make it collapse. My comments - pasted from another thread. Bangkok sits on a different Geological setting than much of Thailand - it young soft sedimentary basin of softer rock... when a quake passes through the earths hard core, it is amplified in this basin setting - much like shaking a bowl of jelly, whereas the energy in other geological settings has been dissipated. Seismologists sometimes call this problem the "Mexico City Effect" and Bangkok is often used as another example in modern textbooks because the physics are almost the same . As a comparison this what the substrata of major Thai cities is made up of: Bangkok: Age of Sediment: Holocene (up to 10,000 years old) Characteristics: Soft clay, young alluvial deposits, thick layers (over 100 meters) Stability: Low (high seismic amplification) Pattaya: Age of Rocks: Mesozoic (65–250 million years old) Characteristics: Sandstone, siltstone, shale, crystalline basement rocks, igneous intrusions Stability: Moderate (more stable than Bangkok) Kanchanaburi: Age of Rocks: Paleozoic to Mesozoic (250–540 million years old) Characteristics: Limestone, sandstone, shale, igneous and metamorphic rocks Stability: High (geologically stable) Hua Hin: Age of Rocks: Paleozoic to Mesozoic (65–540 million years old) Characteristics: Sandstone, limestone, granite intrusions Stability: High (less risk of seismic amplification) Khon Kaen: Age of Rocks: Mesozoic (65–250 million years old) Characteristics: Sandstone, shale, siltstone (Khorat Plateau) Stability: Moderate (stable foundation compared to Bangkok) Chiang Mai: Age of Rocks: Paleozoic to Mesozoic (65–540 million years old) Characteristics: Igneous, metamorphic, and sedimentary rocks, including granite, schist, and limestone Stability: High (rugged, mountainous terrain with hard rock base) To avoid any comments that there is blame against Thailand that its capital was 'built' on a poor geological setting' consider ancient settlement theory, access to shipping, lowest bridging points etc... and the fact that at the time little was known of quakes or the area's geological setting. There are plenty of other major cities around the world are that at similar or greater 'amplification risk' from an earthquake due to their geological settings. Los Angeles, USA: Located on the Los Angeles Basin (soft alluvial sediments); ~50 km from the Pacific-North American Plate boundary (San Andreas Fault). Salt Lake City, USA: Situated on soft lake bed sediments from ancient Lake Bonneville; ~400 km from the Intermountain Seismic Belt (within the North American Plate). Seattle, USA: Built on the Seattle Basin (soft alluvial and sedimentary layers); ~100 km from the Juan de Fuca-North American Plate boundary (Cascadia Subduction Zone). Santiago, Chile: Located in the Santiago Basin (soft sedimentary deposits); ~100 km from the Nazca-South American Plate boundary. Quito, Ecuador: Built on soft volcanic ash deposits and sedimentary basins; ~200 km from the Nazca-South American Plate boundary. Athens, Greece: Built on soft alluvial deposits in some areas; ~100 km from the Hellenic Arc (African-Eurasian Plate) boundary. Istanbul, Turkey: Partly located on soft, young sediments near the Sea of Marmara; ~20 km from the North Anatolian Fault (Eurasian-Anatolian Plate boundary). Kathmandu, Nepal: Situated in the Kathmandu Valley (soft ancient lake sediments); ~50 km from the Indian-Eurasian Plate boundary (Himalayan Frontal Thrust). Tehran, Iran: Built on alluvial deposits and loose sediments from nearby mountains; ~100 km from the Arabian-Eurasian Plate boundary (Zagros Fold and Thrust Belt). Tokyo, Japan: Located in the Kanto Basin (soft sedimentary layers); ~100 km from the Pacific-Eurasian-Philippine Sea Plate junction. Taipei, Taiwan: Built on the Taipei Basin (thick sedimentary deposits); ~50 km from the Eurasian-Philippine Sea Plate boundary. Shanghai, China: Located on soft deltaic sediments from the Yangtze River; ~1,200 km from the Pacific-Eurasian Plate boundary (Japan Trench). Wellington, New Zealand: Built on soft alluvial sediments and reclaimed land; ~30 km from the Pacific-Australian Plate boundary (Wellington Fault). Cairo, Egypt: Partly built on Nile Delta sediments (soft, unconsolidated deposits); ~1,000 km from the African-Arabian Plate boundary (Red Sea Rift).

Doubtful - with a user name like his, he likely works as a safety guy on a rig... where you work not matter how sick you are !!... its unlikely he ever had a sick day in his life... But... his hypocritical fragility, collossal chip on his shoulder comes from spending half his life in a position no one respects and everyone laughs at behind his back...

Lots of good info from good people on these threads... And yes, it seems there are some juvenile twits who leave a laughing emoji - most of it is personal from idiots who carry a vendetta after being called out for being utter idiots and morons in other threads... ... Its a shame we don't go back to seeing who left the emoji - the same guys trolling with them would perhaps think twice about between halfwitted cowards...

You are impossibly dim While you have managed to remove any doubt !!!... Yours posts have been bigoted and in light of regular accusations you make towards others, hypocritical in the extreme.

Your great USA... 179,053,397 county-level power outage records with a 15-minute interval across 3,022 US counties between 2014-2023 Thats approximately 54,000 power outages each day of 15mins or more on 'county-level' across the USA. https://arxiv.org/abs/2408.15882

I don't disagree... I just think its both... Any untimely death is tragic, but the emotional narrative that its less so due to foolishness and / or stupidity understandably allows many of us to 'step away' from the emotional side and concentrate on the 'stupidity' aspect...

Interesting response - particularly how monsoon season could increase the impact of liquefaction after influencing the water table in Bangkok. I covered various similar examples of other cites with similar Geological settings in this thread:

I haven't seen any evidence of "mass hysteria" here in Bangkok. Have you, or did you just dream that up? Perhaps 'mass hysteria' is an unfair wording.... Rather, it was a widespread sense of panic, fear, and alarm, as some buildings swayed with aftershocks and tremors, prompting further evacuations on Monday. I used the term 'hysteria' because when individuals become panicked or fearful, that anxiety often spreads, amplifying the distress of others. I've spoken with people in Bangkok who fled and evacuated buildings on Monday. While their fear was undoubtedly triggered by the light swaying of buildings, the heightened anxiety of those around them, expressed through shouting, screaming, and crying only served to intensify the terror - I'd consider that hysteria, as I know the fear is 'unfounded' and thus spread throughout the crowds. Without wishing to get into debate (I've covered this in other threads) - the aftershocks and tremors are not powerful to bring down buildings - which is what people at the time were fearful of.

Perhaps, but it struck me as a rather callous remark. Regardless of the circumstances, the death of anyone is undeniably tragic to someone, even if we ourselves feel no personal connection or emotional response to the news. While I can understand your perspective to some extent; that it may not be a 'widespread' tragedy and perhaps not tragic to you or I directly, I would acknowledge that it may indeed be a profound loss to others close to him and thus considered tragic. I found myself contemplating whether nationality played a role in the lack of empathy, or if the self-inflicted nature of the man's demise prompted such a response. The latter, I can somewhat understand; the former, however, seems entirely unnecessary.

Indeed... In Japan, having arrived less than a few hours earlier, Data Roaming (Wifi calling on)... my AppleWatch and iPhone alarms went off - highlighting a natural disaster alert at the same time an earthquake rocked the hotel... This alert system was announced back in March 2024 - as its not in place already, I can only assume a signature somewhere has not been signed... someone wants their cut as I really can't see what other holdup could cause something which appears (on the surface at least) such an obvious thing to set up considering so many other countries do it.

Same here - but that was 8 months ago (UK VFS BKK renewal for both my Son and I) I'm wondering if anything has 'evolved' - but your experience is very recent, so I suspect not. Gaccha's account seems strange.

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IF it were a member of your family, I'm sure the rest of your family would be morning the tragic loss of life of a loved one.... ... as he was Russian, there's no room for compassion ? Other comments also valid - with the body split in half, lower half 60m away from the upper - high speed is implied - so yes, idiotic... but again, a tragic loss for his family. Also fortunate that he didn't take anyone else with him.

Yeah... Its a tricky one... People naturally wont want to live in a rented damaged condo... but owners area also taking a huge hit on having to repair any internal cosmetic damage... ... They won't want to be giving up any money. A lot of people renting are going to have to walk away from their deposits - I wonder what the legal stance is on this. This is also something the government 'should' be handling under their 'state of emergency powers' - that landlord owners cannot hold back the deposit of those wishing to move out of damaged buildings.

It so often amuses me when posters attempt to play some moral virtue card and instead out themselves as compete 🍆wombles.....

Indeed... There would be the usual 'netizen outrage' gracing the hallowed pages of Khaosod, The Thaiger and this forum if this were true...

No, where did I say that Ah... you would hire you own inspector to review the inspection report - got it. But... again, how would your own private inspector know whether or not inspection team carried out the inspection correctly in the first place with just a review ?....

I think its the same with any construction. We've owned a Condo here before - sold it after about 7 years or so. Didn't make a profit, but we effectively lived rent free for those years - so worth it, I couldn't call foreigners or anyone who own a condo here foolish. Our house (owned) has had leaks. Then compare to the UK where there are also horror stories. I think the construction industry on the whole has a disproportionate amount of crooks combined with labor who will spend an hour trying to save 10 mins. The difference of course now is that Thailand has just suffered a natural disaster... quite extenuating circumstances. The issue now of course is that there are a lot of people who have had to move out of their apartments and Landlords are keeping the deposits - & its not fault of the tennent who may not be able to afford a deposit on another condo etc. Conditions such as this bring out both the best and the worse in society.

You would hire your own inspection team at peak demand to run an full inspection with ultrasonic inspection of supporting structural columns.... ... How much do you think is being charged for full inspection of a large 30 floor building. AI suggests: Approximate Cost Ranges: Rapid Assessment: £5,000 - £20,000 (a quick visual and safety inspection) Detailed Structural Evaluation: £50,000 - £150,000+ (includes thorough analysis, testing, and reporting) Advanced Non-Destructive Testing: Additional £10,000 - £50,000 (e.g., ultrasound, X-ray, or ground-penetrating radar) I'd expect Thailand to be a bit cheaper obviously - but the indication is certainly that such inspection does not come cheap.

Maybe you should be advising the PM Awww.... it might sound advanced for you, but for people who went to school paid attention its not difficult. There are a lot of excellent Thai Geologists who have in depth knowledge - I'm sure the PM is being well advised by other knowledgable professionals.

He is delusional and unaware of his hypocrisy - its probably a 'grumpy old man thing' ... It would be quite comical if it weren't for the vapid toxicity of his racist comments. The fact that there hasn't been massive loss of life is not through luck - Thai buildings withstood the power of one of the largest earthquakes that could be predicted in the city.

But you are not making a fair comparison - Japan and Tokyo exists on a major Tectonic boundary, building codes in Tokyo are far more strict as a result. During the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake, Tokyo's skyscrapers experienced significant swaying due to the seismic activity - a localised MMI Magnitude of VII was reported, where as in Bangkok the Maximum was VI. Its true that had the same building codes that are applied in Bangkok been applied to Buildings in Tokyo damage would have been much more severe - but thats by design, or rather lack there of due to a different geological setting with regards to proximity to major plate boundaries (Japan is situated on whats known as the 'ring of fire' - which I'm sure many have herd of).

The issue is when the information originates from unofficial sources - no one wants unfounded hysteria... but we 'need' information we can trust. A quake at the type of Sumatra (Ache) is certain a risk for the West Coast of Thailand. Hopefully - this earthquake triggers Thailands emergency warning systems into action a little more quickly - after an announcements were made in March Last year that such systems were being put into place...